How can you accept a group invite if you're AFK?

No. They're not OBJECTIVE. They're SUBJECTIVE.

Haha. Sorry, but you can't counter "prove that this isn't buII****" with "prove that it is". You asked me to counter your arguments and I did. You're now trying to counter mine with "prove it". See where we're going? My "proof" would be a plethora of personal experiences, which you'd counter by saying are "anecdotal and therefore not copacetic evidence" bla bla bla - I get it. We're probably both right in parts - there's evidence for and against on both sides. I'm Pro-LFD, you're not. Neither of us will change our minds.

To be fair, most of these "valid concerns" are unprovable. The rest of them are problems that are created and fixed by LFG. So yeah, I'll go through that point by point giving you an answer that doesnt just consist of "i want" or whatever. 1. Prove it. 2. Xserver LFG will allow for more anonymity. Same server LFG will not. Many people are campaigning for same server LFG, but that's irrelevant. Please explain to me, what "bad behavior" are you on about? It's more anonymity to do what exactly? AFAIK, this is probably what you mean. Next to each problem is a control method that should be put in place 1. Ninja looting - only allow class based needing. Yeah, okay, occasionally the same class will be adamant that he needs something more than you, but what exactly will you do if he's on your server, name and shame him because he wanted an item that you wanted? Get real please. 2. verbal griefing - see the ignore button? You dont have to listen to someone who insults you, but for the sake of doing a dungeon, it won't kill you to group with them if you can keep them ignored. 3. Leaving after joining. A problem created... and solved by LFG. 4. Not being social - so not being social is now classed as bad behaviour? Oh sorry, i didn't realise these forums were ran by the social police. 5. People acting stupid, mass pulling or just griefing in general - votekick them? Or leave and reque? So it's anonymity to do one of the five above things without someone crying in global about how you ruined his run. 3. The absense of it is affecting those who wish for it to be in the game, and most of them are unsubbing, leading to more absense of players and more people who will be forever LFG. This is one of those points where those who want it win and those who don't lose. Sorry - but majority is majority, and at the end of the day, Bioware would rather have the subs from the majority. 4. It's not really is it, and the above 3 points give reasons for that. This isnt really a fourth reason, just a blind assertion. Try again please.

I probably said that myself several posts, several weeks, several debates ago. I only log on the forums to debate this stupid topic because its funny. Ofc we'll get a LFG system eventually - and when we do, I'll be resubbing.

I'm not saying it doesnt happen. In fact, it happens regardless of a LFG system. But with a LFG system and dual specs, thats a mendable hole. With SWTOR, that's happened and it's killed the group for the other 3 people.

Idd. I've a lot of experience of both having and not having it on WoW and Rift. It's a standard feature these days - similarly to how when we buy a car or a mobile phone we expect certain features. Back in the old days these things had only functional usage. It's the same for MMOs

I have a higher level of annoymity if I walk around with a darth vader mask on and hit people with a crowbar. If I was the sort of person who did that, I wouldn't care whether I had anonymity or not.

Not to mention the fact that you can have 400 crafting on 3 professions without ever having left the trade section of the main city

yeah because we're like, the bane of all evil for wanting something that makes the game slightly more enjoyable. How exactly will dual specs ruin the game?

Trion (the people who made Rift) certainly don't regret putting it in theres. Rift put a huge dent in WoW subs, and SWTOR hasn't pulled more than a handful of Rifters away from the game because Rift just works... wheras SWTOR doesn't really work that well. Thats not just to the absense of a LFG system, but having one in would be a huge sub-keeper for a lot of people.

Haha. This is just lol. I never said they couldn't find each other. I said it takes more effort than most people enjoy to find each other. And for the record, there are losts of servers, with lots of people on who play at different times. I'd wager quite a few of these are in my situation. Even people who are on big servers and normally dont have huge problems with LFG, would probably still rather have one than not have one. I'd rather spend an hour doing PvP than pming people to put a group together. Guilds are an answer I guess, but then not everyone has a guild. Why should these people not be able to enjoy the game?

I didn't insult anybody. I made a blatant observation. I'm not saying "me me me me" at all. I'm speaking for the thousands of others who are in my situation. I don't want Bio to create a tool "just for me". I want them to create one to enhance the game and make it easier to get a group = more fun. Oh wait no, i'm sorry - it's my fault because I'm on a low pop server, rather than your awesome high pop server with uber players. Forgive me - I'm obviously not entitled to my own opinion, a view on this frankly, stupid debate and my sub is less important to Bioware than yours is.

You're right. It's a byproduct of playing with people. I formed plenty of groups in vanilla wow and met idiots who I later ignored. When the LFG tool came out, i only saw an increase in idiots because I had an increase in groups. The ratio of idiots:normal people stayed the same. I would have thought it mathematically obvious that whether you form a group with random people on your server, or not on your server, the chances of encountering a griefer are pretty much even, unless there are entire servers full of idiots that should be avoided.

For the third and final time. Other people have already said this to you so i'll say it in plain english 1. my server is low populated 2. my server has very few people who want to do HM 3. On a peak time, there will be maybe 3 or 4 people, max about 5 LFG to do HM. Most of those are DPS. I'm a tank, just so's you know, and I find it hard. I cant imagine what it must be like for DPSers. 4. I do PM people who I see LFG, if there ever are any. Usually there aren't, but on the occasions there are, I usually get a run out of it. 5. So we conclude, I get one run every... week? Out of every 5 2-3 hour sittings i spend trying everything I can to find a group, maybe one of those will in fact yield a good result. Then there's still the issue of actually finishing the run, which occasionally doesn't happen. I'm sorry, but that just isnt enough for me. I don't pay for this game to do that. If it doesn't improve, I'll take my sub elsewhere. I want to be able to do at least 2 runs in the space of 3 hours or so. Is that too much to ask? do you understand what I'm saying? Probably not because by the looks of things your comprehension of the English language is below average