Tor failed because it was crap. Blaming the players for not paying hundreds of dollars just to get the game hey want? Easily the worst excuse I have heard.

Well to be fair, you haven't said what the bug is.

and you just listed one of the major reasons this game is flopping so hard. there is no reason to explore. everyone cried that the space combat was on rails, little did we know the entire game was on rails.

exactly. it wasn't that swtor fell a little short of what was required outside of content, as far as things the community was screaming for, they failed at nearly everything. after 4 months, they finally added 2 things the community had asked for, but backed out of others (including dps meter) without so much as a reason or explanation.

what a load of rubbish. Why cant a game have lfg / dps meters / decent ui / good looking gear / good lvling content / good endgame? are you truly so blinded by the big mmo companies that you think its asking too much of a company that spent half a billion dollars on a game to include the features its paying customers want?

sorry to tell you this, but thats exactly what players are doing. they are leaving because swtor does not have what they want....the community has been telling everyone who utters a single complaint to leave and not let the door hit them on the way out. well....look around.... everyone listened....and ppl are leaving. my guess, you are getting exactly what you asked for.

Or, My reply woodshed you....

star trek : generations?

the "just wait it will get better" argument is the problem. ppl deserve the game to be good now. not after paying 500 bucks worth of purchase + subs. thats not how it works. they DO have to compete with mmos with years worth of content. that is an absolute fact. how they do it, now thats the tricky part. one new mmo is introducing down scaling, to encourage players to continue to go back and do low lvl content even when they are max lvl, and their stats are simply reduced to match the content, meaning it will stay challenging. that's one idea, but im sure there are more. but the fact remains, a new mmo is absolutely in competition with mmos with years of content. there is no argument against that. its just fact.

i thought as much. saying that wow DESTROYED other GENRES because it was good and alot of ppl played it. move along ppl, nothing worth reading from that guy here. just move along. saying that other games sales are effected by the success of wow is one of the most backwards comments i have seen here in a while. These other games didn't fail because wow is good, they failed because they are NOT GOOD.

RP thrives with less players?

nice post. and very true. its a case of "if you are not with us, you are against us!" sadly, it will be sooner rather than later that those people turn around and realize not many ppl are with them anymore, because they alienated so many of the games supporters, simply for pointing out the obvious fact that the game is in serious trouble and ppl are leaving in packs of 10s of thousands.... adding up into the hundreds of thousands if not 1million already.

care to name these MANY other genres that wow damaged or destroyed? or was that just a wild exaggeration used to aid your argument?

you saying "swtor is better than Eq-Warhammer-WoW" does not actually MAKE it better. it means you are currently enjoying it more, but yeah.....thats a really stupid thing to say.

why is it that most ppl defending swtor mention WoW? you guys seem OBSESSED with that game....