Both IP's excel at SINGLE player driven RPG's or other styled games. Take the KOTOR series; great single player story and progression, good example of a single player RPG. You can also take the X-Wing vs Tie Fighter games and the Starfleet Academy games ... great space combat (for the time). Try to implement either of these IP's into an MMO ... doesn't work. Why? Too much canon and extended canon. MMO's that do particularly well, usually have their own stories created by the developers and are maintained by them. Blizzard established the Warcraft lore long ago with the original Warcraft series and (pretty much) controlled it since. Rift ... their own story and lore (you could argue it's a copy of WoW). Ultima Online ... their own lore (IP). On and on and on ... When you try to reign in all the different versions of Star Wars and Star Trek, taking into consideration all the books and content written by various authors, it becomes an almost impossible task to appease everyone. MMO's based on these IP"s just don't work.

Duh! You have KOTOR 3 ... you're playing it right now. It's even got some fancy multiplayer stuff built on to it. Enjoy.

ROFL!! Thanks for the laugh, that was a good one. Unsubbed, unistalled and yes ... gave all my stuff to random players on the Black Vulkars server and deleted all my toons. Later SWTOR.

"My Heart Will Go On" by Celine Dion

We've come along way since then ... even invented the automobile since then too!

I hate WoW, and the leveling in this game gets really really grindy. So with no argument back to WoW saying it's better ... no, I'm not having fun in this game. I haven't logged on in over a week. The only reason I haven't unsubbed yet is because of the two nights my guild raids, and I consider myself loyal to them (friends from other games/life all that). I have 8 character slots full in this game, all at various levels up to 50. Those same story voice overs and cut scenes are all space-barred through ... so there went however many millions of dollars for vocal and video production - I don't watch it. EDIT: ... and I like grinding, to a degree. Unless it Star Trek Online ...that damn game has even the Koreans sayin "eff that game".

Everything is a grind. You getting up everyday and going to school/work is a grind. Searching through the forums and resurrecting two month old forum posts is a grind ...

You want a player driven economy, play EVE. As for the Oranges vs End-game Gear; you just need to raid out the end game crap, rip out the mod's and place them into your Crit-crafted oranges. Why? Well, first off, you won't look like a tool due to the new armor art set; and secondly, you'll have that wonderful little augment slot in your various Crit-crafted Orange sets to play with too. Oh ... and you'll probably need around 3 or so million credits to rip out the End-game gear mods to place them into your Oranges ... so save your pennies.

We're not asking for "group finder" ... it's a CROSS-server group finder we're looking for. There's a difference. And I really don't care what a group of individuals, picked by BioWare, have to say at a summit.

Oh, thanks for pointing that out; I'll update my original thread. I'm just looking through the forums ... believe what you want.

Take a few minutes and go through the forums. You'll find plenty of low-level characters saying they cannot find groups on their servers due to the population. You're basically telling them to suck it up, wait till their 50 and go do it solo. SOLO. Meaning single, the opposite of group ... the antithesis of community; which is the very thing you're defending by saying "no x-server LFG". Wow ... the irony.

... the power of Christ compels you ... the power of Christ compels you ... *throws holy water at undead thread

Really?! REALLY?! So, for all the lowbies that want to experience the content of Athiss, Hammer Station and the rest ... are the just S O L? Well, I guess according to you they are. Be careful ... your elitism is showing.

What?! You didn't like the sampling of our gaming peers that we voted on representing the player .... oh wait, BW picked them; that's right.

I fully understand, and most certainly don't need a lesson from you. However, there was a previous thread discussing how the server population was decreasing. Some people referenced the Fleet numbers to prove (or show) their point (which you say, is fine to do); yet, fanboi's came out and said that Fleet numbers are not a valid metric to use. Therefore, if someone talking about decreasing levels cannot use Fleet numbers to show their point (according to the fanboi's) ... then the opposite must be true (in regards to discussions on growth). You are the one not understanding my post.