why add any element of thought to it? Snow side and grass side. It's that simple. No one needs to check maps or pay attention to direction. Snow side, grass side. Middle.

no. simple as that. even now though, the endgame PvP is bad enough that I have decided not to resub after my 35 days are up

/bumped for notice

i just didn't get credit for a warzone win.

lol this is pretty funny. I'm just so surprised to see these things b/c I really thought BW had polished all of these things out when they said that their game was "polished"

Unfortunately, I think you're right in that they can't fix their setup. However, BW makes nerfs based on metrics. I don't think they nerf other classes just upon the premise of crybabies.

Ok, cool. But how much more fun would you be having if you not only enjoyed PvP combat but also had a purpose to it. What if you were actually fighting a war rather than just pretending to? I'm willing to bet my subscription on the premise that you would enjoy PvP much more if you were actually accomplishing something other than gear. If I'm wrong, well, oh well I'm unsubbing when my 35 days are up anyway. I'll check back later when this game has more content after 50.

Yes but what's the POINT of it all? We are, after all, supposed to be at WAR right? I don't feel like I'm at war with anything. When I log off, I have no worries for my faction. I'm not worried about the war going on in this universe at all. There is nothing to worry about. Reps and Imps are simply all working towards one common goal, gearing themselves for d**k measuring purposes. When you log off, do you worry about how your faction will do when you're not in the SW universe? Do you worry about losing control of Ilum, which we are supposed to be fighting over? Do you wonder how you can get the upper hand over the Reps (ignoring the fact that we vastly outnumber them)? Do the "War Zones" actually matter at all to the war between our two factions? No, PvP is completely and utterly pointless, just like in WoW. The only thing casual and hard core PvPers alike have to work for is gear. That's it. They can't work towards bettering their faction. They can't fight a war. They can't do anything but farm valor and gear up. This is a huge problem for a story driven MMO. If you want everyone to care about the story, then they need to feel like they are a part of the story. Not only do I feel like I'm not a part of the story, but I can't connect with this Star Wars universe at all.

1) PvP that is relevant to the game, its story, and the factions - not just centered around gearing just for the hell of gearing. More world PvP. Less focus on instanced. DAoC, Dominus system. (Think about it. WZs are like mini-games who's sole purpose is a valor farm. They are otherwise irrelevant to the game. Ilum is boring, imbalanced, and worthless to the game with the exception of being an open-world valor farm.) 2) Wins count toward daily 3) Some way of mitigating the population imbalance

No, you're not alone. I said in your other thread, there is no point to PvP except gear. It has as no effect on the game, just as space missions have no effect on the game. It's pointless, and it just feels like....wait I enjoyed 1-49 now *** do I do? PvP w/o meaning is just a d**k measuring contest b/w those with gear and those w/o. We accomplish nothing through PvP w/ exception of gearing ourselves and our companions. So....yea the entire endgame feels incomplete. I truly thought that PvP would be tied to the story with this being so story focused and all, but BW apparently didn't see the need to make PvP meaningful.

disappointed

You know, this wouldn't be a problem if the entire purpose of the PvP aspect of the game wasn't just to gear. Why play WZ? To get valor for gear. They are irrelevant to the game. Why play Ilum? To get gear and valor. Otherwise it's irrelevant to the game. When the whole purpose of PvP is JUST to get gear, then it just becomes a race to see who can get geared first. That means all the casuals will be pissed. Simple solution is PvP shouldn't purely be about getting gear. Gear should be something you get along the way, something you get while attempting to do something greater. PvP just needs more relevance. But in the meantime, "yo ima gamer that goez HARD every DAY! This all I does eryday! Hustle! Hustle! Hustle! HARD!!!! I so f*n hard core man, and I tired of theze CAS playerz complaining that dey gotta life! BW man, quit letting the cas playas enjoy PvP, cuz they don't deserve that! If they caint sacrifice everything in their life and dedicate 5 hrs eryday to PvP grind then they can go play uh FPS man! Give me something to GRIND!!!!!! I jus wanna grind baby so I can be duh bes!!!!!!!!! Man, f*** Papa Johns man Ima call in today cuz I wanna hit valor 80! Man, screw this geometry assignment I don need good gradz in high school! Imma hard core PvPer!!! Hustle! Hustle! Hustle! HARD!!!!"

i'm pretty sure he is making fun of casual gamers....

no casual gamer would use the word "ergo", especially if they were the alpha male getting loads of vag b/w WZ matches but this was funny

It's showing how boring the game is at 50. You just prance around on the planets, worrying about nothing until you get instanced into a warzone that has nothing to do with the rest of the game.

bumpin this thread up cuz it's good

5th page? Nah, let's go back to first...

I am currently just enjoying the only good part of this game...leveling. Doing characters until my 40 days is up.

I agree with most of what the OP says. I waited anxiously for this game since 2009. It severely disappointed me after I hit 50. Everything before 50 was awesome..with exception of PvP until this latest patch which rendered 1-49 PvP better. This game ends at 50. Reroll another character. Reroll again. Repeat until subscription ends. Play ME3, and wait for a better MMO to come out. This is just WoW with lightsabers. I heard that over and over, but I didn't believe it until I played the game after level 50.

Are you talking about WoW or TOR?

No, I am not happy with this game at all. I like the PvE aspect of the game. I like the combat b/w players. That's it. I really hope BW reads this post. Primarily, I don't wake up and get anxious to log in and be a part of this universe. I don't sit and wonder how the war is going. I don't go to bed worrying about how my faction is doing in the war w/o me, or if there will be a surprise attack by the republic leaving my faction lying in waste when I wake up. Instead, I just ask myself, do I feel like doing my dailies today? Most of the time the answer is, "No, I really just don't care. Ilum is probably quiet, and I really don't feel like getting centurian commendations." I dislike the entire endgame, and I can only play other characters b/c I'm bored of my level 50. Other reasons being: 1) Ilum is boring and not relevant to the game's future story...it seems. 2) There are no benefits to controlling Ilum for my faction...other than valor gains. 3) The whole PvP setup is broken: gearing takes far too long w/ this horrible RNG system. Gear is the only benefit to doing PvP. People use PvP as a means to an end, being gear, rather than to actually combat each other. 4) The crafting is totally useless. I enjoy crafting in my free time, but I'm an artifice so it provides me zero benefit. I can't use the cool saber I want to craft b/c it would be useless in PvP. Exploring the planets to find more mysterious quests that allow me to find rare items or materials for crafting would be cool, but atm I've only seen this happen with a world boss on Belsavis. 5) Huttball isn't a warzone, it's a sport. It's only problem is that it is far too common. 6) The WZs seems to have no effect on the game story. Thus they are just pointless instance battles for farming valor. 7) The FPs are good, but again they provide me no benefit so I will only do them if I am just bored. 8) Ilum FPS is still too low, and my computer isn't the problem. 9) The populations are far too imbalanced. I'm playing a Rep character now, but one man can't balance out the issues. I think the mistake was not having a third faction. 10) Juggernaut Smash move isn't truly instant even though it says it is. I constantly get interrupted, thrown, or stunned while doing the animation. Not only did my instant move not work, but then I have to wait for the move to come off CD. 11) There's zero mystery to this entire Star Wars universe it seems (w/ the exception of class stories), and SWG did a much better job of making more things mysterious. In fact, SWG was far better at immersing you in the Star Wars universe, making you feel like you lived there. 12) This galaxy doesn't even feel like it's at war. I know I'm not fighting a war. I'm just doing little skirmishes be it instanced or in Ilum. This game just feels exactly like WoW. Nothing in the game's universe matters at all except gear. Everything is centered around gear. There is no war. The war is just a false sense of reason to fight each other. Really we just fight for gear. FPs are a bit better at seeming important. But again, there is no reason for me to do FP unless I just feel bored enough. This game feels just as pointless as WoW. It feels exactly like WoW. I have no interest in resubbing after my 40 days are up. This is the first BW game I've played where I'm interested in the story, but I don't FEEL like playing the game because it all seems so pointless. So, again, no I am not happy with the game's state. I just can't wait for ME3. I'm anxious to actually feel something in that galaxy.

this is fair play, and it should be utilized as a strategy. One smart thing to do would be to not kill anyone who can pull if your team is about to score.

bumpity bump bump!

I couldn't agree MORE!!!!! I'm so sick of Smashing before I get attacked but being stopped mid attack just because the ability isn't actually "instant". This is sooooo annoying. What's worse, is the move may or may not finish the animation and still not work, but then we are left waiting for it to come off CD.

The fact that PvP setup is crap means I wont be resubbing after my 40 days left. I think the combat is actually good, and they did a good job with PvP combat in general. It's the gearing **** we have to put up with. It's the crappy setup of Ilum. It's the inability to somewhat balance out the servers. It's the complete lack of feeling that PvP on Ilum actually matters. It's the lack of rewards for owning Ilum. It's the amount of boredom I have with constant huttball (which really isn't a "war zone") in the first place. It's the fact that 1/3 of all my WZ wins don't count. It's my utter boredom with this PvP endgame. Right now, I'm just enjoying playing other characters, mostly on Rep side since they have so few.