Proof you are probably just bad. <50 Vs'ing a level 23 , your level 47 and stated you can't drain 1/3 of a level 16's health....YOU ARE BAD! quote from another of your post "The Assasin.. a useless class that can't win and always loses". It really does seem to me that you just suck and are playing the assassin wrong. The assassin has adequate CC depending on your spec - Madness: Instta whirlwind, Jolt, electrocute - Deception: Lowered jolt and electrocute + low slash - Darkness: Jolt, electrocute, spike and force pull Combined with Force Shroud and force speed..... The class is far from useless in the right hands.....your hands seem to be the wrong kind. If you want to play like a rogue....roll an operative. Assassin is more Deathknight / Enhancement shaman. not a rogue or druid. (I hate comparing this game to WoW, but someone said earlier your comparison with this class to WoW classes is way off.....that person was correct)

LOL its not pure PvE at all... If you replace your 2 thrashes with a Maul you are losing the huge increase of damage you gain from a chain shock....its really not worth it.

ROFL sounds to me you know absolutely NOTHING about the class what so ever. Lightning charge useless? ROFL Spec Madness your doing it wrong? ROFLLLLL!!!! Lightning Charge > Discharge = DoT that ticks alot when specd madness and geared Lightning charge discharge makes melee strikes proc Raze which is Free cast/cost Crushing Darkness which = GG to your oppenent. Lightning charge useless?....rofl..........re roll please.

you would benefit more by playing madness steering clear from any points in deception tree and aiming for less CD on shroud + sprint and extra damage for discharge. I've been playing madness since CBT now and i can tell you madness focuses heavily on chain shock + DoT combos with raze proc. i strongly disagree with using maul as a madness sin. as it takes too much force (even still with it speccd) your core melee abilities as madness are :saber strike, thrash and assassinate. The rotation i have always used is this : Stealth > pop all trinkets + recklessness+ overcharge, get in close, open with deathfield to place the death marks, discharge straight away followed up by creeping terror this places all your DoTs plus debuffs, follow it up with 2 Thrash'es for Shocks buff (if your lucky RAZE will proc here), Shock followed by raze...if razed hasnt proc'd 1 or 2 saber strikes will proc it due to lightning charges discharge this also builds up your force to follow deathfields combo again, Once proc'd crushing darkness will usually be the detah of them followed by assassinate. By now they would usually be dead (if you are geared) If not by this time combined with insta whirlwind and electrocute/ jolt CCs your Deathfield and creeping terror will have refreshed and is ready to be reapplied all again. ^ using this maul would just ruin the force mitigation and rotation and its burst damage is about the same as the 2 thrash's to activate Chain shocks buff....i just dont see it worth it at all to use maul as a madness spec. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#200McMcZZcMfRrMkrfz.1 Viess War Hero.

your kidding right? there IS a HUGE amount of difference between ACs. Sniper v Operative. Assasin v Sorc Merc v Power it does not take a genius to clearly see there are vast differences between those classes.

- Wound in the Force - Viess - Master Dar'Nala Drop down lists not producing any options.

Been here since early stages of beta, did not rush to 50 in the first week...still got plenty of stuff to do on the last few pieces of getting BM gear then to start PvE content and make some Alts. I'm tired of people saying (especially on Bioware's face book status's) "game is dead", "nothing to do at 50"....the game is clearly not dead/dying and there is plenty to do at end game if you don't rush everything. will NEVER go back to WoW after playing this, its too damn fun. Here till the end. -Viess

Same thing happening on Wound In the Force. There for half an hour killing players.....not a single kill counted to the daily/weekly and no valor gain. ;-;

actually casting it IS a good idea....creeping terror stuns for 2 secs...you have a window of opportunity to cast crushing darkness then apply discharge, shock for melee buff, then thrash away untill raze procs and others are off CD..by the time i get to thrash the enemy is already nearly dead unless healing...i ALWAYS do this now instead of just waiting for it to proc...and its been working in my favor tremendously. Edit: that link above...the rotation is...i wouldn't say wrong but very questionable.....i would never use force lightning or MAUL as madness so why spec for it lol.

Madness spec i use 10/0/31 http://torguild.net/calculator/sith-inquisitor/assassin/?p=203020300000000000 Death field combo's > maul. Stealth - pop overcharge saber with trinket + relentless - Death field - creeping terror - cast crushing darkness - discharge - shock - thrash thrash - play off procs and repeat. Almost always drops my targets combined with CC and jolt. With that ^ you will out put MORE than a burst crit from maul and have a sufficient use of force energy left to keep this rotation going. You will find with madness your aim is to get all 3 dots on them BEFORE you start melee'ing them, this is why maul doesnt really fit into a 31 point madness spec...25 energy for creeping terror over spec'd Duplicity for 25 energy maul...it will just ruin your rotation and you will spend too much time trying to get behind your oppenent rather than placing the death mark + DoTs on him. http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7682/madnessscore.jpg http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8291/lolggp.png excuse my voice/accent skip to 3:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RdPj58ABtM hope this helps EDIT: just noticed you ARE running same spec as me haha! well guess i hope this helps someone else then XD! Battlemaster Viess - Wound in the Force

because i don't use maul as a madness assassin? and never will and if you think maul is your main damage ability you seriously need to learn the class more before you come on to the forums whining about the class . maybe if you actually read the whole thread you would know what im talking about, go back a few pages to see this guy claiming to have reached 700k. I can not believe this thread is actually still going and you still believe there is something wrong with the assassin. We've already given you evidential proof (screenshots) that assassins come out with more kills/killing blows rather than damage...we've also given you evidential proof that assassins can break 300k what more do you want? Jesus at this point I'm just beginning to think most of you have no idea how assassins actually work.

I think you are missing the point of assassins in a warzone, they come out more with Kills/Killing blows rather than damage. I can come across an operative that will have 300k damage....but ill have a leading 20 kills on her. I don't see the problem at all with assassins PvP or PvE for that matter....im in full t2 pvp gear and take agro easily off most tanks still... also i would like to see a screeny of where this guy "DwokImmortal" claimed earlier to get 700k damage lol...pics or it didnt happen. I've already provided you 2 screenshots that show that assassins can come out with high kill counts and can break 300k damage. I want to see this "700k" because if that was the case then w.e class that is needs to be nerfed...iv never seen anyone break 420k.

i wasnt saying its a thrilling experience....i was saying its an EASY experience...

my head is in the sand? I have just shown you proof that it is easy to break 150k...its not often you see an asssassin break 300k though dude because someone said earlier we usually top the kills rather than damage....but if you want too http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u483/pancake1232/assassinpvp.jpg there's an assassin breaking 300k? " Love the class but it has numerous issues if you don't know it by now your head is in the sand.." clearly not.....the class is fine.

This thread is hilarious. There is absolutely nothing wrong with assassin at all. If you are failing to output on par damage with other classes, deception or madness spec...you are doing something wrong. If you fail to even reach 25+ kills in a wz...you are doing something wrong. If you cant hold your own to elite mobs equivalent to your own level...your doing something wrong. I have played all 3 specs now and will not lie assassin takes a bit more learning than the other classes in this game. It is by no means anyway under powered at all. I'm in my full champion set now about to reach valor 60(with out valor trading) and i have no problem at all in warzones/1v1's or hardmodes. Im tired of seeing threads about people whining about assassin being underpowered...you probably are just doing something wrong. Assassins depending on your gear, can easily break past 150k damage in a warzone and come out at least with in the mid 20's with kills. Madness spec: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7682/madnessscore.jpg - Viess - Wound in the force

Re-specd from deception to madness because i got bored. Found its a better playstyle for me. But idk about you....but they seem to do fine 1v1 especially madness spec. http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7682/madnessscore.jpg :/

Try madness spec, i was deception all through beta ega and up to 2 days ago i decided i wanted to try out madness. Deceptions 3-4k burst crits are great and the stuns are great but its survivability is questionable unless you REALLY know what you are doing. Since i got tired of the same openers and rotations of deception spec in pvp i decided to try madness and found it was a better playstyle for me and i actually came out with more damage and kills/medals than i did deception. Its ability to stealth/cc/dot/stun and output a fair amount of damage with also its AoE is great. I actually made a thread on this earlier today with my spec linked. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=2080735#post2080735 Im in a full set of champion gear too, tbh with assassin it just depends on how good you are because i can assure you...they put out A LOT of damage when played correctly.

Hey guys, so iv been playing since Beta and EGA and all through that time i rolled deception assassin spec with a few points in darkness and madness for the extra damage/crit and force speed. So having got my full champion set with a few centurion pieces, lately iv been finding it difficult to take down some classes, i have not had trouble with deception untill now since everyone has started to get BM gear etc etc. The burst from deception is insane but i decided i wanted to try Madness spec for abit as the deception gamestyle was getting a bit tedious for me as i have been playing it for so long now. Before you ask me, "why not go darkness"? because i have been gearing for deception/madness lol XD. So yeah, i switched to madness which ended up 10/0/31 (http://torguild.net/calculator/sith-inquisitor/assassin/?p=2030203000000000000000000000000000000003020322122201122321) My first warzone i came out 40/3 with third place in damage...something i had never reached before in deception...(id usually get about 25-30). So i was just wondering, any other madness assassins out their? whats your thought on the spec? I like it, seems to be abit lacking in its burst and survivability though. Also any thoughts on the current points i have placed in its spec? any tips? no flaming please >_> not looking for a arguement here just feedback *bump *

its interesting that a lot of people that heavily criticize this game have join dates of either November 2011 or December 2011 and they complain about how its not to their expectations....clearly you have not been watching the developer video's/blogs they posted ages ago while still in development BEFORE beta previewing stuff to us as WHAT TO EXPECT from this game. I watched these videos, and the game has so far been everything i have been expecting. Like someone posted earlier "I stopped reading at small instance worlds. This person hasn't played past Taris. Or Nar Shadaa for that matter. And there is a LOT of open world PvP on Tatooine, I got ganked 5 times in 5 minutes trying to do quests in the dune sea. Open world PvP is very much alive. " ^ THAT +1000 Tattooine is HUGE and the open world pvp there so far has been awesome. p.s if your going to flame/reply to me know this, i probably wont be checking back here considering i'll be in-game with this awesome piece of work BW has created.

Aside from all the QQ and complaining about EGA and maintenence and what ever people are just generally whining about....as kiss butt as this will sound i just want to say thank you :'D i have been waiting years for this day to play and its finally arrived! and i enjoyed every moment of it and will continue to do so for many months and hopefully years to come! Good things come to those who wait. all that i look forward too now is slaughtering some tuskens... HURRRR HUR HUR HUR

Oh no, your life is ruined because you cant hold your laser sword epeen for another 4 hours! What ever shall you do! D: