Vengeance vs rage : Damage reduction

[Borralan]

I was wondering if someone could help me here,

So I have a juggernaut,  as a rage my base damage reduction is 29.04% the only passive I can see that adds damage reduction is Shii-Cho form, which offers 3% passive damage reduction, so I'd assume my gear offers 26.04% base damage reduction. Whereas as a Vengeance my damage reduction is 31.04% using the same gear, the passives that offer damage reduction are Shien form, which offers 5% damage reduction, and Deafening Defense which offers a further 5% damage reduction, so on the basis that my gear offers a base of 26.04% damage reduction, shouldn't my vengeance have 36.04% damage reduction? I assume I am missing something fundamentally basic here, and not understanding the mechanics of the class. so if anyone could shed some light on this for me I would appreciate it.

Cheers very much.

[afwhoefuwov]

Did you change your spec while on the ship? You might want to log out and log in again to check.  I face similar problem but with alacrity: my Vengeance has around 12% alacrity but when switch back to Rage, the alacrity stays the same eventhough Rage does not have the passive to increase alacrity.  

[Ominovin]

4 hours ago, Borralan said:

I was wondering if someone could help me here,

So I have a juggernaut,  as a rage my base damage reduction is 29.04% the only passive I can see that adds damage reduction is Shii-Cho form, which offers 3% passive damage reduction, so I'd assume my gear offers 26.04% base damage reduction. Whereas as a Vengeance my damage reduction is 31.04% using the same gear, the passives that offer damage reduction are Shien form, which offers 5% damage reduction, and Deafening Defense which offers a further 5% damage reduction, so on the basis that my gear offers a base of 26.04% damage reduction, shouldn't my vengeance have 36.04% damage reduction? I assume I am missing something fundamentally basic here, and not understanding the mechanics of the class. so if anyone could shed some light on this for me I would appreciate it.

Cheers very much.

I strongly suspect that these buffs work as written, but not as people think they work.

Assuming your base DR is 28.2% (which seems to be close but still a little off)

• 28.2% + (3% of 28.2% = .85%) = 29.05%
• 28.2% + (10% of 28.2% = 2.82%) = 31.02%

People assume you just add the percentage buff to your percent total, but I think you really need to multiply the percentages together....

[Borralan]

Right, so passive damage reduction is a percentage of the overall percentage, whereas proc damage reduction from raging burst for Rage (10% damage reduction), or Endure pain ( 15% damage reduction) for vengeance are flat increases. 

Am I understanding this correctly, and is that the basic mechanics of all classes regarding damage reduction then?

Thanks very much.

[AdjeYo]

14 hours ago, Ominovin said:

I strongly suspect that these buffs work as written, but not as people think they work.

Assuming your base DR is 28.2% (which seems to be close but still a little off)

• 28.2% + (3% of 28.2% = .85%) = 29.05%
• 28.2% + (10% of 28.2% = 2.82%) = 31.02%

People assume you just add the percentage buff to your percent total, but I think you really need to multiply the percentages together....

Damage reduction passive increases are all additive, so I very much doubt that. The proof is in internal/elemental DR. That's 13% for Rage, and 15% for Vengeance. (10+3 and 10+5).

So it looks like either the damage reduction from Shien or the always active damage reduction from Defening Defense is bugged.

 

Edit: Or easier yet, just take off the armour and check the values of Kinetic/Energy DR. 3% for Rage, 5% for Vengeance, something is bugged.

Edited January 5 by AdjeYo