Why Continue To Play SWTOR?

[RollingDeep]

What's funny is the people's comments who said they didn't read match exactly with the type of person the OP was talking about. Kudos OP

[QDMcGraw]

May want to stop using labels an assuming things because i for one have played many many mmo's free an payed an can tell you right now this game needs help.

 

An can i justify paying a monthly fee for something i find broken no sorry.

 

The game was released not because it was ready more because they needed to make an ROI to keep up there cost.

 

The point of all this is: yes there are issues, so why are you going to hang around? Most elite gamers are the ones clogging the forums with complaints and demanding they be fixed now, and believing they have the right to make these demands because they pay a monthly fee.

 

In time these issues will be fixed, what will keep you playing during this process?

[EtherDragon]

I read the whole OP, and skimmed the responses.

 

I would characterize the initial post as one for people who have time to read it, and put the thing to thought.

 

Well said, OP.

[Norsmeang]

I'm not entirely sure what the main point was exactly, but I did enjoy reading it

 

nice website!

[Lulzbot]

I expected as much, patience is not for today's generation, they want bullet points and brevity. It's the I WANT IT NOW generation, and reading is hard, especially trying to understand a theme that continues on for so long. There were too many side points leading to the main point, I get it. I accept that from ya'll.

 

It's my money and I need it now!

[Bertith]

Well considering i have already been suckered into paying 1 month plus the free first month.

 

i am hoping things get fixed for the better an the game stays alive.

 

I have seen many games publish an die with in the first couple months it would be nice to see a mmo survive.

 

The thing is once the time is up there is little to no point in staying considering there are many other mmos coming out.

 

 

The thing you may not understand is that if your paying a monthly fee for anything you should have some say in how things get fixed.

 

You may think well its only one person but if you do not listen to the people who are paying to keep the company open it is a bad sign an a sign of a game which tends to die quickly due to bad choices an choices which cause the game to fail.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Bertith

[Nozel]

I enjoyed the read, even though I really have no clue what endgame is like. Not all of us came from WoW. I suspect there are several others who, like me, were drawn out from KotOR

[Xyaerran]

I fell asleep after the first paragraph

[QDMcGraw]

I fell asleep after the first paragraph

 

This much was expected. It was written for you, though.

[QDMcGraw]

Well considering i have already been suckered into paying 1 month plus the free first month.

 

i am hoping things get fixed for the better an the game stays alive.

 

I have seen many games publish an die with in the first couple months it would be nice to see a mmo survive.

 

The thing is once the time is up there is little to no point in staying considering there are many other mmos coming out.

 

 

The thing you may not understand is that if your paying a monthly fee for anything you should have some say in how things get fixed.

 

You may think well its only one person but if you do not listen to the people who are paying to keep the company open it is a bad sign an a sign of a game which tends to die quickly due to bad choices an choices which cause the game to fail.

 

You make some very valid points about what is needed to keep the game going. Stick with it and you'll be pleasantly surprised on the other side of all this.

[chizhik]

If there is anything I've learned in my 20+ years of gaming, it's that there is no right or wrong way to have fun in games. If some like showing off shiny gear or fancy titles, more power to them. Others like the process of getting gear and titles, as opposed to having them. Yet others enjoy simply experiencing stories or getting to max level in record time or exploring worlds to find hidden treasures or playing AH or pushing PvE progression... who am I to tell all of these players that they are doing it wrong?

 

As far as family and commitments go, the only thing that getting those did to me is that I've become much, much more stingy with my time. I no longer have any tolerance for typical MMO timesinks. I want be able to do progression raiding without the additional requirement of a "daily dungeon for points" in the way. I'm not willing to spend an evening spamming general, trade, and LFG to form a group to do a dungeon. I'm not going to do a bazillion of kill X of Y quests just to advance the storyline a notch. I know it's mean, but that's the way it is. If this makes me a part of "I want it now" generation, so be it.

Edited December 31, 2011 by chizhik

[ZzsirbosszZ]

I was an Alpha Player with WoW and played till now it was Buggy, Laggy and little content at forst with no addons, then the game over years developed. Stay with SWTor and you will be part of a Great game or go back to WoW and play a great game you have Maxed out. your choice, but i hope you choose the first!!!

[QDMcGraw]

If there is anything I've learned in my 20+ years of gaming, it's that there is no right or wrong way to have fun in games. If some like showing off shiny gear or fancy titles, more power to them. Others like the process of getting gear and titles, as opposed to having them. Yet others enjoy simply experiencing stories or getting to max level in record time or exploring worlds to find hidden treasures or playing AH or pushing PvE progression... who am I to tell all of these players that they are doing it wrong?

 

As far as family and commitments go, the only thing that getting those did to me is that I've become much, much more stingy with my time. I no longer have any tolerance for typical MMO timesinks. I want be able to do progression raiding without the additional requirement of a "daily dungeon for points" in the way. I'm not willing to spend an evening spamming general, trade, and LFG to form a group to do a dungeon. I'm not going to do a bazillion of kill X of Y quests just to advance the storyline a notch. I know it's mean, but that's the way it is. If this makes me a part of "I want it now" generation, so be it.

 

I think you got it. And I agree, I shouldn't tell anyone else how to play their game or what constitutes fun. I will say people just need to relax, accept the game is it is for now while the fixes are being addressed. Look at the front page of the Forum and see how many negative threads are there.

[Kishiko]

I am going to continue to play as long as I am interested and as long as I am having fun. Right now I am enjoying it very much.

[Aaluria]

This is how it is. I'm looking forward to monday when my younger collegues will arrive at work, telling that they are level 50 now, have nothing to do in swtor and go back to WoW...oh..yeah, and that it's so bugged, has no lfg tool. You know...they do that pretty much after every MMO release.

 

Funniest part is that they only start playing other MMO's when I point them out to them. They have no interest whatsoever in looking for new games themselves. With my children is the same. I already heard my son telling me this week, that swtor looks quite cool, two weeks ago he still told me that swtor was overrated (haha). I'm sure I know where he heard that, he's only 13...you know

 

Anyway my collegues and my son will grow up someday, realize that entertainment in games is not always being about the fastest, the best and the most epic.

 

You are brilliant! If only people could see what you just wrote and realize the true words you have just spoken! Especially the last sentence!

[Capjambon]

If i may post my 2cent in there i read all the posts even those with absolutly no interest in this thread.

 

It's clear that swtor is a very nice game well at least im liking it (from my mmogamer pov: played wow for 4 years, played anarchyonline for 5 and all the other (or almost all even played Uo and the long forgotten game mankind)

 

Many different playstyle exists in all situation be it fps, be it rts be it .. well you got the point. So let think that it may eventually be possible to play different mmo just because the feeling you got while playing both game is different and then hope you get finally satisfied by those concurrent expriences.

 

So to sum up my thoughts, all the thread is very interesting to read (specially to kill time at work). let time to any mmo to grow up, tweaking a game for a single player isn't the same that for 500k+ players all around the world. Everyone wants to find something in thos mmo and thank mother of all circuits,it's not the same for everyone.

 

well i liked all the thread and i m not dead from reading it so far, thank to OP for this one.

 

Have fun happy new year

 

ps: mmo got great assets but will never play instead of you ..or stop paying your subscription and go watch a movie you get funny images and can imagine youre the one who shag the girl in the end.

[chizhik]

I think you got it. And I agree, I shouldn't tell anyone else how to play their game or what constitutes fun. I will say people just need to relax, accept the game is it is for now while the fixes are being addressed. Look at the front page of the Forum and see how many negative threads are there.

 

That's normal for any game forum. People post when they have issues or problems, few post just to praise. I'd be a lot more worried about the future of the game if there were no complaints. Plus, properly filtered, it's good feedback for the developers, too.

 

I admit that I've posted more than my fair share of gripes as well, mostly because I expected a fair bit more from the game on the MMO front. There were never any questions in my mind that the story parts are going to be solid; I just wish the game wasn't quite as "Bioware" in other aspects, if it makes sense. After reading an interview with Stephen Reed, though, I think I might stick around to see where this is headed and, frankly, just to give them some cash. Sounds like they are looking to fix a lot of things that I find annoying.

[hobieone]

umm, after reading only thing that comes to mind is......................................

 

LONG LIVE STAR TREK ONLINE!!!!!!

 

i now hate the star wars franchise and became a traitor after the op's post:eek:

[lycrates]

Good post.

 

P.S. I love how people cant even read a simple short story. We have are in the age of the one sentence shallowness, of catchphrases and pitches. Say goodbye to anything with depth or substance.

[skotish]

Excellent post Op;)

[QDMcGraw]

umm, after reading only thing that comes to mind is......................................

 

LONG LIVE STAR TREK ONLINE!!!!!!

 

i now hate the star wars franchise and became a traitor after the op's post:eek:

 

Burn the heretic! LMAO!

[JediSanta]

We know you came from WoW, don't deny it. Everyone playing MMO's has had a run through the turnstile of the most popular MMO out there. It was easy, it was fun, and slowly, but surely, it took over your life as you chased the brass ring of endgame. Burned out and disillusioned from your time at hardcore raiding, you became jaded to the WoW experience. It's ok, we know this, we've all been there; you are not alone.

 

But, here we are with this fancy new game. It's Star Wars! Who doesn't love Star Wars? Well, at least the original trilogy, but those are the movies, and this is a video game. Star Wars has a rich history of quality games going back a generation now. From the halcyon days of X-Wing and TIE Fighter to more recent releases like KOTOR and The Force Unleashed, the Star Wars Franchise goes on strong. There were some bumps in the road, all franchises have them, but, really, a shiny new Star Wars MMO, story driven and built to please, how could it go wrong?

 

Oh, dang, bugs. Well, let's be honest. Every game, even stand alone games, are released with bugs. You are to blame for this, my friend. yes, you. Prior to release, how hard were you fiending for this game to be released? You got your wish and now it's not good enough? Oh well, them's the breaks. In the last 10 years, game companies realized the hungry purchasing public will pay to beta test games. I'm very confident in the next 10 years, Beta Testing rights will be purchased from companies, in an effort to drum up more revenue to create the game. With over 100 million dollars invested into these games, the influx has to come from somewhere.

 

But I digress, we all came from WoW or spent some time in Azeroth. It's inevitable, and now here we are, collected at the gates and wondering what we paid for. It's been 2.5 weeks and you're already max level and have nothing to do. You, my friend, are a serious gamer! Those stories are for the Role Playing Nerds, not the gamers! PVP is broken, it's absurd, it's horrendous, and you keep losing at it. This game is obviously broken, because you got skills, my friend. Your Battle Rank in WoW proves this. In fact, you have 2,3 and 5 man Arena Ratings that blow away your SAT scores, because that's just how you roll: hardcore. You have pre-nerf Lich king slayings under your belt, server first on Ruby Sanctum, and let's not even get into the amount of butt kicking you did in Cataclysm! Sure, you may have missed Vanilla, but you were a punk kid that was enamored by Harry Potter, but you've grown up since then and you're starting to grow hair in places you were afraid to wash last month. Azeroth was your playground and everyone knew that anytime you walked through Orgrimmar or Stormwind with all your latest Tier Gear.

 

And this is where it all comes to a head. You have thousands of hours invested into WoW. You've spent the better part of the last few years in Azeroth conquering anything and everything, doing every little quest you could find and getting all the achievements you could get because you were running out of things to do. PVP? Hell, we already talked about your Arena Rankings, it's balanced, it's good, it's everything it should be, but, it was a long time coming my friend. I was there at the beginning of Azeroth, don't fool yourself that it was always golden and good.

 

So, my friend, this is the investment you currently have in WoW. You have an addiction, be it great or small, to MMO's. Don't fool yourself, you do. You are looking for reasons to not like Star Wars because deep down you know what it's going to take to be on top again, and with everyone all starting near the same time, everyone has the same chance you do to make a name for themselves and be epic. It's not so much there's nothing to do at 50, it's there's nothing to brag about. Your ePeen remains flacid while you wait for developers to give you a conquest to take on. I know this feeling well, I've been there. At one point I was the one of the top 3 rogues on my PVP server for Gear Score, Boss kills and PVP ratings. I had PVP ranks when they were given in Military Ranks, that's how old school I was, and I kept that rank!

 

So, what's the point? Well, you don't want to start over, you want to rise above, but you are having trouble finding a way IN GAME to do this. You, my friend, are epic. You are important, you're voice holds weight and others should be lining up to suck at the teet of your gaming wisdom. But, again, Star Wars has no mountain for you to climb into rare air and set yourself apart from the rest. The accomplishments you are achieving are something everyone else in game can do if they dedicate the time you did. Sure, you leveled faster, but, it was a finite climb and the ladder just lead to a platform. The longer you stand there waiting for content, the more people join you on this common ground. There's nothing exceptional about being 50, and with the game being so new, the WarZones are buggy, so you can't set yourself up successfully in there. More and more people show up, and you get lost in the masses of unwashed Casuals. They're turning up everywhere, and there's no way for you to set yourself apart from them in game, it just doesn't exist. You can't sit by idly while your accomplishments, thus far, are made mundane by Casuals, blech! The word Casuals leaves a dirty taste in your mouth. In fact, all this time you are waiting for the bugs to be fixed, and new content to be added you could be in WoW getting more achievements.

 

And there's the rub. You realize if you are going to stay with this game, there's nothing to do to set yourself apart from the mindless rabble collecting at level 50, no way to swing an ePeen with excitement when all ePeens are the same size. But, in WoW... you still have those Holiday Quests to finish to get this years latest non-combat gift/mount/companion and the latest achievement. You are burning valuable ePeen time in SWTOR that could be used to keep yourself above the rest of the rabble in WoW. But, it's WoW. Gawd, do you really want to go back? Well, if it's means getting adoration from the mindless slags that can visibly see you are superior, then yes! You didn't work hard for all these years just to be like everyone else in the new game. You got your skills down and know what you're doing. Sure, you were a n00b once, but, now, you're the gaming elite. You just wish you could find a way to do this in Star Wars aside from going to the blasted forums and leaving a "I QUIT" thread for everyone, and in there explain, in great detail, how much you know about MMO's. It's really the only way you know how to express your eliteness at this time. Plus, you can go back to WoW for now and wait for some bugs to get fixed. You're already 50 anyway, and that was the hard part, you can just rejoin the game later and with your mad skills, be able to get right back into the game and prove yourself in Star Wars... once the visible ePeen meters are put in the game.

 

So, good luck, my friend. Elite, hardcore raiders are a young man's game. Mark my words, though. In 20 years, you'll be seeing the games from my perspective, and it's on that sad day when you write yourself one of these open letters on a forum that you will realize the raids have passed you by, and you still gotta get that report to your boss, and the wife wants you to bring home more diapers, the car needs a brake job and the kids Christmas Recital is going to happen the same night as your raid, so you'll have to miss it... you get the point.

 

It's the Great Wall of Text!

 

We get it, you're old! Maybe too old to be playing games and getting a hard epeen over them.

[QDMcGraw]

That's normal for any game forum. People post when they have issues or problems, few post just to praise. I'd be a lot more worried about the future of the game if there were no complaints. Plus, properly filtered, it's good feedback for the developers, too.

 

I admit that I've posted more than my fair share of gripes as well, mostly because I expected a fair bit more from the game on the MMO front. There were never any questions in my mind that the story parts are going to be solid; I just wish the game wasn't quite as "Bioware" in other aspects, if it makes sense. After reading an interview with Stephen Reed, though, I think I might stick around to see where this is headed and, frankly, just to give them some cash. Sounds like they are looking to fix a lot of things that I find annoying.

 

And that is a completely fair way to treat the game. Gave a description of dislikes, likes and what your thoughts are for moving forward. I can agree and commend you for your dedication in light of it's drawbacks.

[QDMcGraw]

It's the Great Wall of Text!

 

We get it, you're old! Maybe too old to be playing games and getting a hard epeen over them.

 

Ehhh, not quite.

[Itose]

I didn't play WoW, but from the looks of the forums I'm starting to think I'm the only one who didn't. Hell I can even name areas like 'Stormwind' which I have never seen nor knew of before using these forums...and I think there is something seriously wrong with that.