banimoka Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 so i'm playing thru the story ... reached the Vaylin part ... and my heart stopped for a second .... i said to myself " no way , after all this time they will redeem her , and i can have her " so i continue thru the dialogue lines right , and you have options to talk to her , i desperately picked all the " good " versions .... and nothing happens why did you do it ? , why give her to us ... just to take her back , like all you had to do is record a few more dialogue lines in the studio FIX THIS ! - her body is still around somewhere - her force ghost is on Odessen - you have the NPC already in the game files so you don't have to make a new one from scratch - you already have a companion framework to add her on - do it ... for me ... because i asked nicely - so did other players in a 2700 reply thread in the General Sections - and so did Senya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranadiel_Marius Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Her force ghost isn't on Odessan. Her soul is almost certainly possessing the body of one of the two students that died prior to you getting to the mindscape. Specifically the redhead girl. We see her very clearly not getting up during the confrontation with the Emperor. We see Vaylin looking at the dead...soul, mind image, whatever, at this time. Then we see the redhead talking to Satele in the last scene. Some have said that she does the Vaylin smirk as walking away, but I didn't catch it. And finally Satele sends you a mail that mentions, "Oh hey one of those two students that seemed dead, yeah turns out they managed to come back alive although we don't know how." So yeah Vaylin likely stole herself a body an no one in universe realizes it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuventusAndFCK Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) Damn, I was hoping we were finally done with her for good. Edited December 11, 2020 by JuventusAndFCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseriah Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 so i'm playing thru the story ... reached the Vaylin part ... and my heart stopped for a second .... i said to myself " no way , after all this time they will redeem her , and i can have her " so i continue thru the dialogue lines right , and you have options to talk to her , i desperately picked all the " good " versions .... and nothing happens why did you do it ? , why give her to us ... just to take her back , like all you had to do is record a few more dialogue lines in the studio FIX THIS ! - her body is still around somewhere - her force ghost is on Odessen - you have the NPC already in the game files so you don't have to make a new one from scratch - you already have a companion framework to add her on - do it ... for me ... because i asked nicely - so did other players in a 2700 reply thread in the General Sections - and so did Senya No, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameYOL Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Vaylin pulled a Callista Ming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffolofi Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 My Inquisitor would love to romance her... she is the only being in the Galaxy worthy of his attention... so I hope they do bring her back! Ah, it would be so wonderful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Bah, I hope not, please let her die already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banimoka Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Her force ghost isn't on Odessan. she was killed on Odessen ... so her " force manifestation " should still be there the one you see in " Echos of Vengeance " is a duplicate from ... as far as i can tell ... is a complex version of " essence transfer " - though being mystical in nature the ritual that allows Tenebrae to be reborn MIGHT allow " others " to be reborn too would they actually do it ... let a " memory manifestation " be reborn ... we don't know - i guess our fate is to be blue balled until 7.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuventusAndFCK Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) she was killed on Odessen ... so her " force manifestation " should still be there the one you see in " Echos of Vengeance " is a duplicate from ... as far as i can tell ... is a complex version of " essence transfer " - though being mystical in nature the ritual that allows Tenebrae to be reborn MIGHT allow " others " to be reborn too would they actually do it ... let a " memory manifestation " be reborn ... we don't know - i guess our fate is to be blue balled until 7.0 I thought it was to be assumed by her comment "s/he dragged me here" that her "manifestation" at the time is not bound to Odessen but to the Commander specifically, maybe because of Valkorion absorbing her power while being in the mind of the commander? Edited December 13, 2020 by JuventusAndFCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banimoka Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 No, thanks. there are a lot of replies that fall into this category ... and it's OK - if you personally want to end her ... i can understand the choice me however : - i think she was " forced " into a villain role - all thru the storyline you have the option to " end hostilities " with her as empress but Bioware did not allow this ... it was always " you have to kill her and that's that " - it should have been an option to ... DEPENDING on what conversation choices you pick with her to ... end the conflict peacefully ... as much as possible and part of me wants Senya to have her daughter back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackvinils Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) Well, if I didn't know about what happened to her in Echoes of Oblivion I would say that Yes, we should have had a different solution than forcing absolutely all of us killing her:mad: Probably a hasty plot, short implementation time, cutting the plot and budget, a hasty return to the vanilla confrontation between the factions - I think this is the answer to why.:rak_02: However, based on what we have in this new update, based on the fact that many players, for example, in the discussion on reddit agree in one opinion, having indirect confirmation and given that the developers have not yet refuted it, i can say that Vaylin has returned to life, in a new body. And who knows, maybe this is an attempt by the developers to give us the opportunity in the future to recruit her and etc. Who knows what will happen to her now that her new life has begun?:rak_03: I certainly prefer her original appearance FE / ET , but maybe her red-haired appearance is something in between, maybe she will still be given a unique model in the future? In addition, then the developers could simply add 2 customizations to the Fleet to vendors.:rolleyes: I, as a Vaylin fan to some extent, can probably say that all is not lost for us yet, and who knows what will happen next? #VaylinCompanion Edited December 14, 2020 by Blackvinils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banimoka Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Probably a hasty plot, short implementation time, cutting the plot and budget, a hasty return to the vanilla confrontation between the factions - I think this is the answer to why.:rak_02: [/b] - that's the problem with the story of Knight of the Eternal Throne , you just don't get options roleplaying wise - it should be ... based on how you talk with Vaylin during the campaign that you would be given the option to Kill / Redeem her - if u threaten her in your dialogues during the story then she won't end the conflict with you - BUT if you try the peaceful route she will agree maybe later on to cease hostilities somehow and it happened again in 6.2 - Echoes of Oblivion , there is no choice on how to " solve " the conflict - i kinda wanted to see an option to talk with Vitiate , talk with Valkorion , MAYBE convince them to help you against Tenebrae in exchange for releasing them when the fight is over. - have Valkorion ( no longer possesed by Tenebrae return to Zakuul ) - have Vitiate ( no longer possesed by Tenebrae return to Dormund Kass ) you're just not given choices anymore , in the vanilla story you always had choices to deal with conflicts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseriah Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) - i kinda wanted to see an option to talk with Vitiate , talk with Valkorion , MAYBE convince them to help you against Tenebrae in exchange for releasing them when the fight is over. - have Valkorion ( no longer possesed by Tenebrae return to Zakuul ) - have Vitiate ( no longer possesed by Tenebrae return to Dormund Kass ) What? You do realize that Tenebrae actually IS Valkorion/Vitiate, right? He is one and the same. I don't think you understood the story, really. Edited December 17, 2020 by Jesseriah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banimoka Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share Posted December 18, 2020 I don't think you understood the story it's hard to tell which is which - at first you see Valkorion & Vitiate ... and Satele Shan has memories of both - but then you see Tenebrae .... BUT Satele does NOT have memories of him anyway i am going to end this debate about how this new force ritual of animating a person from memories works BECAUSE this topic is about ... Vaylin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enskojare Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) it's hard to tell which is which - at first you see Valkorion & Vitiate ... and Satele Shan has memories of both - but then you see Tenebrae .... BUT Satele does NOT have memories of him It's safe to assume she never saw Tenebrae's original body. It depends on how badly it was destroyed. Edited December 18, 2020 by Enskojare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxrynn Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Hard sell to keep Vaylin seeing as how she kills one of "your" companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xargas Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I would really much like to see this, there isn't many women in SWTOR that I liked enough to romance, they are all denied if you play inquisitor, Vaylin is one of them. So BioWare, please, DEW IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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