why doesnt pvp award social points

[elimatorxv]

you should try trashtalking maybe that will net some social points !!!

[Qouivandes]

its pretty simple: do PvP to get valor; do FPs (etc) to get social points. Are we all just in the mood to give everything away, now.

[TrixxieTriss]

You are wrong there, the old (crafted) PvP sets still have valor rank restrictions, a lot of PvE players are interested in those in order to look like the Dread Masters and just as with the vendors for social gear there also still is a vendor for crystals, mounts and pets that all require valor rank.

So if you want to give social points to PvP for access to the social gear vendors it's only fair to also enable PvE players to access that valor rank related vendor too. By now the real PVP rewards are bought by the PvP reward token anyway.

 

Actually you’re right about the crafted pvp sets needing valor, I forgot about those. But I thought Bioware removed the valor requirement with 6.0. (I haven’t checked, so I don’t know).

 

You do know there is NO pvp valor vendor?

 

There is a ranked vendor which doesn’t require valor and you need ranked tokens to buy from them. If you don’t play ranked enough to get those tokens (ie like techfrags or other game currency), then you can’t buy the items,

 

I’ve valor 100 on many Alts, but I don’t play ranked for a number of reasons. Which means pve people with 100 valor still wouldn’t be able to buy from that vendor if they don’t play ranked.

 

You don’t need a special currency to buy the social items, they cost the usual game credits. The problem is they are gated behind social points.

 

IMO, you should get social points for anything in the game that is played with other players in a group. Wether that’s flash points, heroics, story, pve, world bosses, operations and yes, pvp.

 

Playing with other people and interacting with them in a group is the definition of social.

 

The only times you shouldn’t get social points is if you are playing solo content. Which I guess you could “argue” solo ranked is a bit like that, not that I agree. And if you used that argument, you would have to also apply it to any solo queue activity, ie, queuing for operations or flash points wouldn’t give social points either.

 

But if you are in group ranked or you are in a premade in regs, you aren’t playing solo, you are 100% socialising. So they should count for social points too.

Edited August 29, 2020 by TrixxieTriss

[Khaleijo]

This whole discussion is too hung up of the name of those points, that social is just a name like valor is. It has nothing to do whether you actually socialise while doing one or the other. I wonder if we had the same discussion if the name was something like planetary rank or story rank instead of social.

They simply needed a name for the incentive to play PvE in groups as counterpart to the PvP valor system and chose social.

For PvP warzones you automatically are put into groups and always were since the function to queue up for those was in the game from the beginning, you can't actually enter them totally on your own at all. So there was no incentive needed to group up, it already was built in.

On the other side, in the beginning (the time those points originate from) for PvE there was nothing like the GF now and people had to build their groups themselves by /w or using planetary or fleet chat to join for quests or other group PvE stuff. I remember very well doing /who level x-y and chat up any upcoming player if they want to run FPs as tank, healer or dps, and everyone had to travel to the entrance themselves.

 

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Actually you’re right about the crafted pvp sets needing valor, I forgot about those. But I thought Bioware removed the valor requirement with 6.0. (I haven’t checked, so I don’t know).

 

You do know there is NO pvp valor vendor?

All the Battlemaster and War Hero sets people with the schematics still can craft do still have the valor requirement. While the weight of those old pieces (light, medium or heavy) doesn't matter any longer, you can't wear or stamp them into an outfit without having enough valor rank, which is 60 for battlemaster and 70 for war hero. The exception are the (rated) versions of the schematics, but those never had the valor requirement in the first place. So anyone wanting to use those has quite some warzones to do, which is all well if you enjoy PvP but a grind you have to decide if your look is worth it for you personally if you don't like to PvP. That is the very same position a pure PvP player is in that wants any of that mainly cosmetic stuff from a social vendor.

 

And there is at least one valor related vendor there. I extra went to fleet to check if he still was there and requires valor before writing my previous post. On Imp fleet it's a guy named Jensen a bit left of the PvP ranked token stuff vendor. Jensen sells crystals, pets and mounts, which are the very same category of fluff items the social vendors sell. You have to pay with credits but need valor ranks from 10 to 23 to buy anything other than the warzone adrenal and med pack from him.

 

Yes, all in all there are more social vendors, not sure right now though if any of the later releases also had them, out of my head I only know for sure there is 1 vendor for each faction on each 1.0 era planet that usually has an armor set related to the planets setting.. And since wanting to fit that Belsavis convicted collar on Malavai Quinn I know those vendors have different social rank requirements, higher the later the planet.

 

But I'm talking about principle here, asking for access to social rank stuff through PvP, the same would go for access to dear Jensen's wares by doing PvE too, since in the end it's about getting access to the fluff items that currently locked behind doing something of the other general in-game activity.

I'm not against it, but if it is changed it has to be changed for both the PvP and the PvE side (and I still would be afraid of what might get broken if the current devs try to change stuff that old and probably quite muddled. )

Edited August 29, 2020 by Khaleijo

[Ardrossan]

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tl;dr: "In this essay, I will explain how this obscure crafted armor that no one wants or knows about it has a valor requirement so it's the same thing as all the social vendors! Or maybe not but it's the principle of the thing, the principle in this case being me, a devil's advocate arguing that the game should be kept as irrational and arbitrary as possible! Hey I've been here since the beginning so if I had to do it everyone else does! Or else we have to remove the valor requirement for everything so it's FAIR TO PVE PLAYERS" :confused:

Edited August 29, 2020 by Ardrossan