shippper Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 its remind me ME3 ending, nothing new here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xina_LA Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) Until 6.0 drops, I have to hold out hold on to hope we can! >_> That would be really awesome. If we can, I'd love to see them publish statistics on how many Imperials went Republic, and how many Republic toons went to the Empire, perhaps even broken down by class. I imagine more Agents and Smugglers would jump ship than anyone, eh? Edited May 4, 2018 by Xina_LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithKoriandr Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 That would be really awesome. If we can, I'd love to see them publish statistics on how many Imperials went Republic, and how many Republic toons went to the Empire, perhaps even broken down by class. I imagine more Agents and Smugglers would jump ship than anyone, eh? My ex-Slave Inquisitor and betrayed Agent would totally jump ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Liked the enviroment very much... but I have some problems with the story: - The big bad turns out to be some random fella bitter over me overthrowing Valkorion... and he just dies without much screen time. He looks lame and his motivations are boring. Where are the cool villains like Baras, Jadus or Dread Masters? - We don't get to fight with our class enemy. Now, return of elements from class stories is super cool (I got Zash) but after a brief conversation we all fight the same lame droid and then see our class enemy but can't directly engage them in combat. - The end of the Alliance was... underwhelming. We started it all without the fleet and with barely working Gravestone but now suddenly those ships are gone and everybody decides to pack their things and go home. I missed an option to say 'We stand our ground and rebuild from here' when Lana offers to contact one of the big factions. - Finished it on my fem sorc romancing Lana. Why am I the one taking a knee in the last cutscene? Re: last item... Um, because you're asking her to marry you? Isn't that one of the Earthly tropes for proposing to someone? What the [REDACTED] happened to your inner romantic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xina_LA Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Re: last item... Um, because you're asking her to marry you? Isn't that one of the Earthly tropes for proposing to someone? What the [REDACTED] happened to your inner romantic? It would have been fun if the dialog gave us the option to propose first, or wait for them to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddydogputin Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 It was way too much like Episode 7's poor decision of eliminating the Republic by having the entire fleet one planet. The commander should have been given the choice to disperse the fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 It would have been fun if the dialog gave us the option to propose first, or wait for them to do it. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdast Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) Since servers are down, I have some time to post. So...I'll give it 9.5 / 10. (I'm a tough grader.) The designers did some things particularly well... 1) Pacing. If they screw this up, it can really bog an instance / flashpoint down. I thought the amount of trash was just right. 2) Art design. As others have mentioned, so I won't belabor -- top notch. Creepy, atmospheric, etc. Well done. 3) Story. Look we all knew they had to get out of the "Alliance Reigns Supreme" storyline. I thought they handled it as well as they could have done. 4) Theron. Again, they handled it pretty well. To those that say, option to kill a character means no return, I give to you Exhibit A: Arcann. 5) Tuning. I was the one who bished about TAtC bosses being a HP sponge so I think I have some credibility here. The bosses here I thought were tuned just right. Can one point to a couple plot holes? Well, yeah...but I am pleased to see that the typical naysayers have remained silent, though time will tell. Yes, 5 months is too long for content to be released. But this content wasn't just good, it was very good. Dasty Edited May 4, 2018 by Jdast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ighten_hill Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Agreed - it was actually (and surprisingly) quite good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzsi Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) I really enjoyed the flashpoint, all of it. The boss fights were enjoyable and fresh. I liked the story.. I really liked it.. and Theron... <3 <3 <3 glad to have the spyboy back and to be engaged to him!! Ahh.. The scenery is amazing. Theron... just Theron! Just a couple of things though... Why did Satele send our girls a message and NOT mention anything about our engagement to her son? Really.. its about time future MIL had something to say on the matter... please. Approval? Disapproval? Anything... My biggest concern is moving forwards, that this doesn't spell the end for Theron romance content or Theron content. I'd like confirmation from bioware that now, with a kill option on ALL of the LI's available for female players who romance male characters that we will see future romance content with existing LI's - new ones don't count, not even Arcann. Right now the future looks bleak. Koths been ignored, completely as have all the earlier companion LI's save some pretty speedy lame reunions. The characters who were available to all - Koth, Aric, Torian and Theron now all have kill over their heads which has so far meant being ignored afterwards for content. I don't care that new romances might be in the works I care about the romances my characters already have -- and them getting content going forwards. Right now im on the verge of unsubbing and leaving my outlanders to retire peaceful with their LI's because I'm just not seeing future potential. Edited May 4, 2018 by Suzsi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingkittie Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 As someone else mentioned in another thread, the whole vitiate/valkorion story ended up being a sham. I was led to believe this Tenebre fella developed dark side sith abilities and performed rituals to consume all life on Nathema. Revan "resurrected" the emperor to destroy him and that backfired. Revan was also using a ritual to accomplish this feat. Vitiate then goes to Ziost all on his own consumes all life to regain his power. Now we find out it was Zildrogg who did these rituals and probably gave the power to Tenebre (like he tried to do with Vinn). Okay but it doesn't explain how he consumed all life on Ziost and the whole story arc for the Jedi knight where his plans were to do the same thing in the galaxy (Scourge please show up and explain these things!). Zildrogg wasn't a factor in any of that. I am probably over thinking this a bit. I am glad they had so much dialog with Theron. We all needed that closure after Umbara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerockyul Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) I enjoyed it a lot! Love the new decos (especially the Nathema Statue Large after I came upon this area) and the story choices really fit with my main's personality. The SI cameo surprised me, too, in a good way! I'm sure not everyone will agree, but taken as a whole, I thought this wrapped up really well. Kudos to Charles! Edited May 5, 2018 by aerockyul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLazarillo Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) Now we find out it was Zildrogg who did these rituals and probably gave the power to Tenebre (like he tried to do with Vinn). Okay but it doesn't explain how he consumed all life on Ziost and the whole story arc for the Jedi knight where his plans were to do the same thing in the galaxy (Scourge please show up and explain these things!). Zildrogg wasn't a factor in any of that. Zildrog was a tool. Tenevitiakorian was still the one who did the ritual to consume the energy from their deaths. On Belsavis, he was going to use a bomb. On Corellia, he used the warring Empire/Repbulic. On Ziost, he used the deaths caused by his puppets. He never performed the ancient "Force Vacuum Cleaner" technique on people. On Nathema, he we now learn used a doomsday droid. That's pretty consistent with how it's always been. The cause of extinction can be anything. His rituals are what let him feed off of it, regardless. Edited May 5, 2018 by JLazarillo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commanderwar Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Agreed is was great ending to the story, great bosses, and beautiful landscapes. I thought it was cool each class got a unique encounter and it was based on choices too which is awesome.. This makes me hopeful about the game's future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefla Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I loved it as well though I agree with the criticism that the bad guy was disappointingly generic and we barely got any time with him. Love his hair though, I stole it for my SI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Morak Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Agreed is was great ending to the story, great bosses, and beautiful landscapes. I thought it was cool each class got a unique encounter and it was based on choices too which is awesome.. This makes me hopeful about the game's future This was not a great ending, this was a stupid and unlogical ending. May be the gravestone could destroy the home fleet of odessan, but the greater part of the eternal fleet must be still there because it was patroling and Controlling the galaxy. It is totally unbeliebable that there was not also a greater part of the fleet protecting Zakuul or Controlling Conruscant and Dromund Kaas. So in my opinion the end of the Story Comes from a third class Story writer, may be the original one has left the Team and only fanciless and unmotivated guys are left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelindis Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 May be the gravestone could destroy the home fleet of odessan, but the greater part of the eternal fleet must be still there because it was patroling and Controlling the galaxy. That's an excellent point. Like a lot of Bioware story over the past years, this ending has some great initial feeling but not all elements withstand rigorous inspection (or even a teeny bit of thought sometimes). That said, we can choose to believe there's some plausible reason why the full fleet would've been gathered at Odessen at that time. It's unlikely but not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulsutherland Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 That's an excellent point. Like a lot of Bioware story over the past years, this ending has some great initial feeling but not all elements withstand rigorous inspection (or even a teeny bit of thought sometimes). That said, we can choose to believe there's some plausible reason why the full fleet would've been gathered at Odessen at that time. It's unlikely but not impossible. Even if it was ... the shipyard (Iokath) is still operation ... go get some more ... maybe turn Izax into Gravestone.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelindis Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Even if it was ... the shipyard (Iokath) is still operation ... go get some more ... maybe turn Izax into Gravestone.2 Respectfully, that feels like a bit of an asspull at a meta level. If we can get infinite autowin ships from Iokath, conflict becomes completely meaningless. Plus it opens up a whole bucket of other questions. Do new ships come with their own shackled AIs? Are we making our own slaves now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulsutherland Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Respectfully, that feels like a bit of an asspull at a meta level. If we can get infinite autowin ships from Iokath, conflict becomes completely meaningless. Plus it opens up a whole bucket of other questions. Do new ships come with their own shackled AIs? Are we making our own slaves now? I would assume so, Scyva has some way of controlling the Iokath fleet, I just assumed it was something similar to the Gemini frequency. Even if they requiring manning ... we can still build them on Iokath :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelindis Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Even if they requiring manning ... we can still build them on Iokath :/ Assuming that's true, where does the story go from there? Nothing genuinely challenging physical-danger-wise can happen in the story as long as we're always able to generate a fleet to enforce our wills. The real peril is more of a spiritual/moral one: how do we use this power, and is it right to use it at all? But this question seems to come up only rarely. Broadly speaking, the eternal fleet story's writer(s) resemble(s) some version of Tolkien who thinks The Lord of the Rings should be getting and using the Ring. A problem with everything revolving around superweapons and doomsday machines is that it's about things that come and go, not about us as characters. Also, if that power can be taken away from us extremely easily, it's arguable that we never really had it in the first place, which not only robs us at the end of the story but makes our initial gaining of it just an illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulsutherland Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Assuming that's true, where does the story go from there? Nothing genuinely challenging physical-danger-wise can happen in the story as long as we're always able to generate a fleet to enforce our wills. The real peril is more of a spiritual/moral one: how do we use this power, and is it right to use it at all? But this question seems to come up only rarely. Broadly speaking, the eternal fleet story's writer(s) resemble(s) some version of Tolkien who thinks The Lord of the Rings should be getting and using the Ring. A problem with everything revolving around superweapons and doomsday machines is that it's about things that come and go, not about us as characters. Also, if that power can be taken away from us extremely easily, it's arguable that we never really had it in the first place, which not only robs us at the end of the story but makes our initial gaining of it just an illusion. uhhh ... it was such a bad ending ... they should have blown up Iokath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelindis Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 uhhh ... it was such a bad ending ... they should have blown up Iokath. But, if Iokath could easily be blown up, why would getting Iokath be such a big deal that Republic and Empire would go back to war to get it, and the side that didn't get it would be at a massive disadvantage? Something that could be destroyed just like that is not so pivotal. What I'm less sure about is why Zakuul's economy has gone bottom-up. Don't they still have droids to supply a lot of their needs? Tribute isn't coming in from Republic or Empire, but it also wasn't coming in before the whole conflict started and reportedly ordinary people were fine then. (Not that there wasn't poverty anywhere, but it didn't seem that bad on average?) Maybe I'm just forgetting something - I don't think their nice lifestyles were explicitly linked to the eternal fleet? 'Cos if Vinn wanted to take the fleet back for that reason, to spare little children rooting for scraps around the Spire, that would've presented a different angle to things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulsutherland Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I can't recall who says it, but someone says the fleet was barely seen before the conflict with the Republic & Empire, so I would agree, Zakuul isn't dependant on the fleet ... then you have Lana saying something about Zakuul was collecting more tribute than they consume ... so ... Zakuul has supplies they've been hoarding for 'X' years? Sorry Zakuul, I know you have little defences and vast supplies ... I would start the war there and on Iokath ... whoever gets the supplies first ... wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerraShar Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 hey , if we lost the eternal fleet and the gravestone . what about those annoying Troopers ? and how come we never got the chance to make the knight fall in line ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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