AlCiao Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 So with the new ongoing DvL war thing, pretty much everything we do, including crew skill missions, earn us LS or DS points. But for lots of my toons, I like to see where they end up, alignment-wise, based purely on story choices. That means, if I want to avoid 'artificial' alignment gains, I can't do crew skills on those toons! PLEASE give us the option not to pick EITHER side in the DvL war! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edyn Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Maybe I misheard in the dev live stream, but I was under the impression that the whole DvL war wasn't supposed to affect your own personal alignment? I was really pleased with myself in making pragmatic decisions that resulted in my Sith Warrior being gray at the end of her story, but if I want to keep that standing, I have to keep flipping the DvL switch...? Also, it makes no sense to me why anyone should get Dark/Light points for neutral activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCiao Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 I wasn't sure myself from what the devs said, but my alignment has actively changed from doing nothing except crew skill missions. I was Neutral, almost Dark I, and a few crew skill missions later, I was Dark I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasmaJohn Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 But for lots of my toons, I like to see where they end up, alignment-wise, based purely on story choices. Good luck with that. Check out the new range. Where it used to be -10k to +10k it's now -100k to +100k. No clue if they adjusted the levelling story gains but the flashpoint ones are still the same as they were under the 10k system. If they haven't you'll be lucky to hit Dark or Light 2 by the time you're 70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagaimee Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) You get light- or dark-side points just by going out and defeating enemies. :/ My knight was solidly in the middle of Light III, so out of curiosity I turned on the "dark side" alignment. Two missions and a lot of dead enemies later, he'd slipped to Light II. Yeesh. *turns on dark-side alignment* Knight: AND THE FEVER BEGAN TO SPREAD. FROM MY HEART DOWN TO MY-- *turns on light-side alignment* Knight: Everything's coming up rooooses and daaaaaffodiiiils-- *turns on dark-side alignment* Knight: WHOSE SIDE AM I ON. WHOSE SIDE AM I. WHOSE SIDE AM I ON-- *turns on light-side alignment* Knight: I'm waaalkin' on suuunshine, whooa-oh! I'm walkin' on suuunshine, whoooa-oh! ...He's starting to get just a little confused. Yeah, I'd definitely like an option to turn off dark/light-side points for something as meaningless as completing missions. Unless it has an explicit dark/light side choice (in a cutscene: kill this enemy or let them live, for example). Edited December 1, 2016 by Jagaimee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papragu Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Yeah, I'd definitely like an option to turn off dark/light-side points for something as meaningless as completing missions. Unless it has an explicit dark/light side choice (in a cutscene: kill this enemy or let them live, for example). Wont happen, this is their way to simplify story writing even more and make your decisions even more meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlixMV Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) You get light- or dark-side points just by going out and defeating enemies. :/ My knight was solidly in the middle of Light III, so out of curiosity I turned on the "dark side" alignment. Two missions and a lot of dead enemies later, he'd slipped to Light II. Yeesh. *turns on dark-side alignment* Knight: AND THE FEVER BEGAN TO SPREAD. FROM MY HEART DOWN TO MY-- *turns on light-side alignment* Knight: Everything's coming up rooooses and daaaaaffodiiiils-- *turns on dark-side alignment* Knight: WHOSE SIDE AM I ON. WHOSE SIDE AM I. WHOSE SIDE AM I ON-- *turns on light-side alignment* Knight: I'm waaalkin' on suuunshine, whooa-oh! I'm walkin' on suuunshine, whoooa-oh! ...He's starting to get just a little confused. Yeah, I'd definitely like an option to turn off dark/light-side points for something as meaningless as completing missions. Unless it has an explicit dark/light side choice (in a cutscene: kill this enemy or let them live, for example). You win the Internet today. ---- But yeah, I agree with OP. I do have some toons I'm very happy to be Light V or Dark V, but I have a bunch I want for headcanon reasons to be grey. I don't mind flipping back and forth to keep them there, but I'd rather just be able to opt out of alignment changes entirely. If I could still pick a side, but not change my personal alignment, I'd be okay with that, too. Edited December 1, 2016 by AlixMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot_Inducer Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Going to chime in here. I started out F2P just over a month ago because I was on a serious star wars kick and wanted an rpg that wasn't replaying Kotor or its sequel for the umpteenth time. So I came here, played through the Imperial Agent story (thank goodness for the DvL event's xp boost) and thoroughly enjoyed it. Now I figure that experience was worth a bit of my money and I'd like to see what other stories the game has to offer. This anecdote should underline that I am here for the rpg/story and nothing else. Now this update drops and that cute little morality system that has to be there because jedi v sith is suddenly a progress bar to grind, not a representation of a character's rp. I loved the agent story because I ended up grey at the end of it, without jedi or sith dogma guiding a character you're free to choose and I love that it was reflected. Sometimes saving people would endanger your mission and blow your cover, other times going full dark side and executing prisoners would be a foolish waste of a potential resource and intel. The entire point of the system's been lost and I'm sad that I was here to see it go. On a related note what does the whole force balance thing actually do other than be an annoying pop up every half hour or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunderheid Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 That popup is the LEAST annoying thing about the whole DvL mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edyn Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 ... Now this update drops and that cute little morality system that has to be there because jedi v sith is suddenly a progress bar to grind, not a representation of a character's rp... I think you just hit the nail on the head there of why I don't like the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_mike Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 That popup is the LEAST annoying thing about the whole DvL mess. Was actually surprised it's there considering how many folks complain about the conquest one on planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djungelvraaal Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 (edited) I was reading this thread as I started a new crew skill on my consular, switched to archeology, so, not like diplomacy where you get both light and dark side points from some of the missions with this dvl thing. And it made me curious as to whether my light side points would drop( was light all the way up to 65, and now with this dvl, chose dark) and yes, I'm sitting here seeing my light side points drop with every mission. Edit: Which obviously is fine by me, since I chose to align with the dark side, but I can completely see how it is annoying and then some, for people who would prefer to just progress their dark or light side through story choices. Edited December 3, 2016 by djungelvraaal Adding things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunderheid Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 And we were told that "it won't affect our personal levels"????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djungelvraaal Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 (edited) And we were told that "it won't affect our personal levels"????? Exactly, something else I think they forgot to mention, was that, which someone has pointed out already, it's not capped at 10k anymore, it's 100k, and I believe someone said something about that aswell, it makes no sense to raise the cap, if the things we do in game, like crew skills, and whatnot, wouldn't affect our personal levels. Edit. still grinding my archaeology, and I get about 44 ds points for each mission( at lvl 4 mind you, I expect those numbers to go up as I get higher lvl with the crew skill) Edited December 3, 2016 by djungelvraaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkside Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 It's a nice big F.U. to any character that was neutral, or picked choices from either alignment. Story and character uniqueness be damned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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