Rekonym Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Hello everyone. So I'm in the process of playing all the campaigns (still have 2 and a half to go). So far, my favorite has been the Sith Warrior, which for now I consider to be my 'head-canon' events. I absolutely adored the way we 'acquired' Jaesa and how she developed during the rest of the campaign after that point (I don't want to give too many details to avoid potential spoilers). Anyway, so just yesterday I completed the Knights of the Fallen Empire's entire 16 Chapters for the first time (with my Sith Warrior of course). And even though I really liked most of it and was happy to meet again with Vette and develop a relationship with Lana... I felt that something, or rather someone was missing (role-play wise it would certainly fit). Now, please do correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm not mistaken (and if I haven't missed anything during the expansion pack's chapters) there was absolutely zero mention (by anyone, no NPCs, not even a single in-game mail) of Jaesa Willsaam, my Apprentice (quite a big deal for my character if you'd ask me, but also for me as the player I found it weird that of all the absent characters from the campaigns of the regular game that it had to be your Apprentice if you happened to play the expansion pack with a Sith). Now I haven't played the expansion yet with my other completed classes, such as the Jedi Consular, but I know for sure that I haven't seen Kira either, or in fact I haven't seen any of the 4 Force Campaign's respective Padawans and Apprentices (as I call them; being both Jedi and both Sith campaigns). So obviously they... probably kept them as a surprise for the upcoming new expansion pack, Knights of the Eternal Empire (or... well I definitely hope so). However, the main reason as to why I made this thread, is because I just read something... strange, about Jeasa Willsaam specifically since I was reading her Wikia page. And here's the part that I found strange (and I quote): --- " During the Eternal Empire's Conquest, Jaesa's Master went missing, believed to have been killed in action. During their absence, Wilsaam was amused by the constant mourning of her shipmates, but soon found someone whom she took on as her lover. " --- Now, I absolutely do NOT remember ever hearing about that, nor reading about it during the actual in-game Fallen Empire's events. No NPCs ever said a word about my Apprentice, and I never received any in-game mail from Jaesa as far as I can remember in which she'd be telling me that she'd have learned of my return (for example) but that she'd meet someone to live with? So, please someone, do tell me where and when during the expansion pack's events does that information from the Wiki pop-up? Additionally, I'd like to conclude by essentially asking if BioWare ever mentioned anything about the Padawans and the Sith Apprentice's "purpose" for any future Old Republic content that I might have missed? For example, have they ever told us if they were indeed keeping them for the next expansion pack? Or are those characters sort of "left behind" at this point and we have to assume that our character just doesn't remember them nor doesn't care to even mention anything about them even once to some of the NPCs of the expansion pack that we interact with? For example, not a single conversation between my Sith Warrior and Lana concerning Jaesa ever happened, not once. Anyways, thanks guys for any and all information you might provide on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrenchingStar Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 SIs do get Xalek back, though they do have the option to reject him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolodome Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Was your sith warrior male and married to Jaesa? I've not seen it personally (haven't run a DS Jaesa character through KOTFE yet), but from stuff I've read on the forums, I think Jaesa sends you an in-game mail at some point during KOTFE if your character was married to her (or maybe it's if she's dark side... one of the two probably). That is probably where the wiki info is coming from. And keep in mind wiki stuff can pretty much be written by anyone, so there's no guarantee of accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Was your sith warrior male and married to Jaesa? I've not seen it personally (haven't run a DS Jaesa character through KOTFE yet), but from stuff I've read on the forums, I think Jaesa sends you an in-game mail at some point during KOTFE if your character was married to her (or maybe it's if she's dark side... one of the two probably). That is probably where the wiki info is coming from. And keep in mind wiki stuff can pretty much be written by anyone, so there's no guarantee of accuracy. All characters who marry their relevant love interest companion (regardless of class or sex) will get a mail from their spouse at the *end* of KotFE Chapter II. (My commando also got one from Theron, but I don't know if that happens any more - she did it back in late November '15.) However, I read the DS Jaesa letter differently: Someone is trying to become her lover, for sure. But the last lines suggest strongly that she still longs for the SW character. Of course, interpreting these things is always (a) fraught and (b) subjective, but that's my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekonym Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 Was your sith warrior male and married to Jaesa? I've not seen it personally (haven't run a DS Jaesa character through KOTFE yet), but from stuff I've read on the forums, I think Jaesa sends you an in-game mail at some point during KOTFE if your character was married to her (or maybe it's if she's dark side... one of the two probably). That is probably where the wiki info is coming from. And keep in mind wiki stuff can pretty much be written by anyone, so there's no guarantee of accuracy. Thanks everyone for the replies. And indeed I forgot to mention that my Sith Warrior is a Female, and of course couldn't have a relationship with Jeasa. However, she's still very important to my character (in my head-canon, if anything) for being her Apprentice, and despite the fact that my character doesn't feel 'love' for her (she's in a nice relationship with Lana instead) she'd have still wanted to know what happens to her during the events of Fallen Empire. I find it rather unfair that if you didn't marry her during the regular campaign that all of a sudden her whereabouts aren't important anymore. I do think that the BioWare writers should have taken an extra day or two to write one or two sentences worth of in-game mail coming from our Padawans or Apprentices even if our character was the same sex as them and didn't have a relationship with them (or didn't marry them). Oh well... I hope that Jaesa will have some role in Eternal Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tieru Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I believe that this might be written in the character bio for DS Jaesa in the crew window. At the bottom, you can see your original crew icons that you have not recovered yet. When you select one, you can read their bio. I personally have not had the chance to check yet on her, but I imagine this is the source of the WIKI post. Anyone want to verify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jauvtus Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Here are all the romance letters we can receive: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=843430 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limariko Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 If you were looking Jaesa up on Wookipedia, they have a tendency to write the articles for SWTOR according to thier own preconceived idea of how a class should be played so all Jedi are written according to Light Side choices and all Sith are according to Dark Side choices. The little spot at the end of the article for "Behind the Scenes" which is supposed to cover going with different choices tends to be pretty lacking in details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Krushya Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 My Warrior is a male who married Dark Jaesa Wilsaam. He misses her. She was his soul mate. I hope they will reunite. My Zabrak Smuggler male married Akaavi Spaar. He misses her as well. My Imperial Agent Male has already been reunited with his wife, Kaliyo Djannis. They are very happy now. I believe my other alts are missing spouses as well. Not all of my alts started relationships in their stories. Like my Jedi Knight who was married to the Jedi Order regrets not revealing his feelings for Kira Carson and hopes that it won't be too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcaleb Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Smart money is on something happening that will either drive light side Jaesa evil or make dark side Jaesa not evil so that they don't actually have to bother with working in two different Jaesa's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noyjitat Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Been devastated all this time since kotfe launch to never get ANY of my apprentices or padawans back nor any of my original characters's lovers. Leveling my imp officer through kotfe this time around and just incase I won't be flirting with any of the new people should she be reunited with bug boy someday. Smart money is on something happening that will either drive light side Jaesa evil or make dark side Jaesa not evil so that they don't actually have to bother with working in two different Jaesa's. I've worried about them taking the easy way out here and i'd be pretty pissed off if they did that. Not that it matters because if the character doesnt' become a new main character they never comment or say anything in the rest of the current expansion. I mean we got hk back and he has had any scenes since. (excluding the bonus chapter) Edited October 10, 2016 by Noyjitat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolodome Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Been devastated all this time since kotfe launch to never get ANY of my apprentices or padawans back nor any of my original characters's lovers. Leveling my imp officer through kotfe this time around and just incase I won't be flirting with any of the new people should she be reunited with bug boy someday. I've worried about them taking the easy way out here and i'd be pretty pissed off if they did that. Not that it matters because if the character doesnt' become a new main character they never comment or say anything in the rest of the current expansion. I mean we got hk back and he has had any scenes since. (excluding the bonus chapter) I could be getting my hopes up about nothing, but there is this from one of the Cristina Petrarca tweets, regarding info gleaned from the cantina event: Charles Boyd:in KotET choices matter,we can change some chars alignments & in regards to companion deaths.....#swtor #swtorfamily http://dulfy.net/2016/10/08/swtor-news-nycc-cantina/#more-158784 Now I did also see a thing with someone claiming that no old companions are returning in the chapters? Dunno if that's true or not (though I don't think it'd be a big surprise if it was true, considering what the focus of the story is), but it could be there will be some alerts coming out some time after KOTET launches that will involve dark/light alignment with a number of old companions. For instance, maybe we'll finally get a dark Ashara option. Again, could be my mind just going wild with possibilities, but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIVANEmpire Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 The issue with Jeasa and Chem Val is they have two versions of themselves depending on your original choices, however with many of the missing companions, the DvL event companion Master Ranos, has unique convos for you class if you where a LS warrior jeasa is presented as a hero, if your DS, shes presented as having gone insane seeking more and more power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Been devastated all this time since kotfe launch to never get ANY of my apprentices or padawans back nor any of my original characters's lovers. Leveling my imp officer through kotfe this time around and just incase I won't be flirting with any of the new people should she be reunited with bug boy someday. I've worried about them taking the easy way out here and i'd be pretty pissed off if they did that. Not that it matters because if the character doesnt' become a new main character they never comment or say anything in the rest of the current expansion. I mean we got hk back and he has had any scenes since. (excluding the bonus chapter) Well HK is a special case - not everyone has bothered to claim him, and some people don't even qualify to have him. The same can be said of any companion who returns by a "side" recruitment mission - they are conditionally available, therefore they do not appear in main story conversations. Also conditionally available are "killable" or "rejectable" companions, e.g. Skadge, Xalek - they, too, are conditionally available. So are (after the end of Chapter XII) Kaliyo and Aric Jorgan, and Torian/Vette. So the "cheesy" way out of the situation is to put both of KV and JW into a situation where they can be optionally rejected or killed, and there will be no need to have any dialogue for them afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingkittie Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Smart money is on something happening that will either drive light side Jaesa evil or make dark side Jaesa not evil so that they don't actually have to bother with working in two different Jaesa's. I was wondering that myself. When you speak to the new jedi companion we got from the dark vs light event, she specifically says Jaesa was rumored to have gone crazy (this was on my dark side sith warrior). I have a light side Jaesa but not sure if the conversation is different since I haven't run my light side warrior through KOFTE/KOTET yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) She says DS Jaesa is allegedly killing people who get in the way of her searching for Darkside artifacts and LS Jaesa is supposedly helping people in need. And for the record, it didn't sound like DS Jaesa had gone any more crazy than when we left her. Really, any Sith would be crazy by a normal person's definition. Edited May 24, 2017 by OldVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Really, any Sith would be crazy by a normal person's definition. Dunno about that. Lana and Darth Marr both seem pretty level-headed. Evil, for sure, but don't tell me you think that being evil automatically qualifies you as insane, please. And both Darth Gravus and Darth Lachris seemed to have their heads screwed on. Again, evil, and in the case of Lachris, highly focussed, but not crazy. Zash, Thanaton, Baras, and similar are mostly afflicted with paranoid tendencies. Full-on goggly-eyed maniac, however, I'd reserve for DS Jaesa, Thana Vesh, and that one Lord on DK who asks you to poison the rebel slaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Well I would think that, enjoying casual murder is, at the very least, not psychologically normal. But what makes Jaesa's love of inflicting murder and pain "just" insane, while Lachris or Baras' desire to inflict murder and pain "just" evil? Because she seems to do it more often? Because she seems sort of more excited about it? It seems like a fairly trivial difference. Edited May 24, 2017 by OldVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandelynRain Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Baris and Lachris do it for a purpose and don't giggle manically while doing so...not that it makes it right that they do it but it is a means to an end, they only do it if they deem it necessary not for ***** and giggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) Jaesa has a purpose to doing it too. She has a strong desire to purge the Empire of anyone she deems ideological traitors. And yeah, sometimes she kills because she can, but I seriously doubt one can conclude that Baras and Lachris have never done anything of that sort. Lachris did torture Balmorra's governor into madness, for example. That wasn't necessary. Even someone like Darth Marr once threatened to remove the tongue of one of his officers for offering an analysis of the situation without being asked. And I hardly think whether or not one giggles during murder should be the one deciding factor regarding whether someone is insane or not. Edited May 25, 2017 by OldVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 And I hardly think whether or not one giggles during murder should be the one deciding factor regarding whether someone is insane or not. And if it was, several classes of player character would qualify. Have you *listened* to an Operative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoncollins Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 one of my big things about swtor was the companions and how attached i got with them now this expan tosses that out the window with the garbage and does not even bother to make other storys attched to the new ones as a reward for gaining there trust disappointing ^_- realy sad at no more jaesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehufsa Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Jaesa is with another man and i bet you will see her again only as a NPC ( like you saw Tanno Vik) without the possibility of re-recruiting her if you're a DS. Some people here on forum actually made sense : why would she wait for you? Why waste her youth mourning you? My advice : romance Lana and get over Jaesa thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) Jaesa is with another man and i bet you will see her again only as a NPC ( like you saw Tanno Vik) without the possibility of re-recruiting her if you're a DS. Some people here on forum actually made sense : why would she wait for you? Why waste her youth mourning you? My advice : romance Lana and get over Jaesa thing. Why would any love interest wait for you or waste their youth mourning you? Jaesa is a popular character, they aren't going to turn her into Tanno Vik. At least, not if they are smart. Edited June 21, 2017 by OldVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celise Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) can't see how jaesa would come back unless she did something so different it became her path regardless of which alignment was chosen. from both alignment side point of view Jaesa went looking for you but was recalled to the Jedi order on Tython/Sith on Dromund Kaas to explain herself and for any judgement deemed appropriate but when the EE invaded, she was caught in a bombing on Tython/Korriban and captured by the zakuulans. on zakuul, she dedicated herself to a new path and willingly cast her past a side to which she no longer feels is her destiny and embraced the true power of the force while becoming a new knight, however she felt she could do better between the those years you remained in a block of ice. she went from Knight to Exarch with her own station, but she was unwilling to purposely have innocent people killed regardless of her alignment. after those years you find her injured on a wrecked ship that just crashed on Belsavis, but the only way to reach her is through tunnels infested with deranged killers, humanoid and the mechanical type. It turns out that her crew on the station conducted a mutiny, but in the process destroyed themselves because without their exarch to maintain control over the sun generators, the whole thing went up over a planet that was also destroyed. No longer certain of anything any more, finding the outlander is her last hope, however small references may point to what her previous alignment was by herself and what she has now become. Edited June 22, 2017 by Celise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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