Slowpokeking Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 We saw what they could do and the terror they had brought across the galaxy. We had never fought them as a full group for real. How did Jaric Kaedan make it? Not just defeated, but also captured them alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 We saw what they could do and the terror they had brought across the galaxy. We had never fought them as a full group for real. How did Jaric Kaedan make it? Not just defeated, but also captured them alive. What is the strongest ability of the Dread Masters? It is mind control and if that does not work on you enemy you are screwed. Powerful mind control but still if it does not work you are screwed. They could not defend against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JourrnoRush Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 He fed them McDonalds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 What is the strongest ability of the Dread Masters? It is mind control and if that does not work on you enemy you are screwed. Powerful mind control but still if it does not work you are screwed. They could not defend against him. Not just that, they were also very powerful Dark Siders themselves. I think as a whole they might be more powerful than any of the TOR Sith other than the Emperor. Even Revan couldn't cause such threat in short time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diviciacus Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) They're frozen in carbonite when Imperial characters first free them on Belsavis, aren't they? It's possible for people of strong wills (eg. player characters) to resist them, and it's possible for Force users to mask their power. He could have masqueraded as a regular republic soldier and blasted them with carbonite when they fell for the ruse. The Dread Masters, like virtually all Sith, are shockingly arrogant. Their arrogance was their undoing. Of course, if they're not my argument holds no weight (I literally haven't seen Imperial Belsavis since January 2012). Edited August 11, 2015 by Diviciacus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelefantos Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) They're frozen in carbonite when Imperial characters first free them on Belsavis, aren't they? It's possible for people of strong wills (eg. player characters) to resist them, and it's possible for Force users to mask their power. He could have masqueraded as a regular republic soldier and blasted them with carbonite when they fell for the ruse. The Dread Masters, like virtually all Sith, are shockingly arrogant. Their arrogance was their undoing. Of course, if they're not my argument holds no weight (I literally haven't seen Imperial Belsavis since January 2012). If you read their codex entries, it says in Raptus's entry that he convinced the Republic soldiers of their prison escort to commit suicide (with just words), so they weren't frozen at that point. There's no detailed record in the game, btw. You're only told via codex that Kaedan and a Special Forces unit boarded their dreadnought and took them in. Maybe there was no fight? Edited August 11, 2015 by Darkelefantos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mon-El Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Here's an idea, remember on Oricon the droids weren't affected by the Masters. Well maybe Kaeden had a ton of battle droids with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) I mean Fear Battle Meditation was not their only trick. From their codex we can see that they were already powerful Sith even before they became the Dread Masters. The ingame fight also showed it. Edited August 11, 2015 by Slowpokeking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mon-El Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) True but their main weapons at least in the cut scenes were shown to be their fear and control powers. If we are going by story instead of ops mechanics then they could be vulnerable to droids. Edited August 11, 2015 by Mon-El Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canareth Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Supposedly Kaeden and his strike team shielded themselves from the direct terror effect with battle meditation, after sneaking into their ship to avoid the fleet fragging trick. It's still widely inconsistent with things like Raptus making soldiers kill themselves while they were guarding him. As is why in the galaxy the Republic didn't execute all of them when they had the chance. Edited August 11, 2015 by Canareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelefantos Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Supposedly Kaeden and his strike team shielded themselves from the direct terror effect with battle meditation, after sneaking into their ship to avoid the fleet fragging trick. It's still widely inconsistent with things like Raptus making soldiers kill themselves while they were guarding him. As is why in the galaxy the Republic didn't execute all of them when they had the chance. "Enemy X has unique attribute Y, let us not kill them and endanger everyone." - Everyone in video games ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mon-El Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 well you could also say, why didn't the Rakata destroy all or most of the big bads they imprisoned. Would have made more sense than building this big prison, and they weren't known for their altruism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayddow Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Probably because some republic general in charge wanted to either keep them in carbonite and sell them off to the hutts for their stronghold wall decorations, or make a tidy sum on the galactic market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 Supposedly Kaeden and his strike team shielded themselves from the direct terror effect with battle meditation, after sneaking into their ship to avoid the fleet fragging trick. It's still widely inconsistent with things like Raptus making soldiers kill themselves while they were guarding him. As is why in the galaxy the Republic didn't execute all of them when they had the chance. To study their power and learn how to protect pub fleet from the Dark Side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 I wonder what if they didn't try to declare war against the Empire, but overthrow the weakened Dark Council to usurp the leading power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeneas_Falco Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Jaric Kaedan must have been one of the more powerful Jedi since he managed to defeat them all simultaneously, though I'd presume he had help from other Jedi. He also must have mastered some means of resisting their most powerful tool, which is mental domination. Maybe that technique was lost with his death. Of course Jaric Kaedan can potentially be stomped by the player, but that is probably an example of gameplay and lore segregation. Any fight that plays out in gameplay can be potentially won by he player easily, depending on the design of the boss fight and the skill of the player(s) involved. Even if the player wins easily Jaric is still probably supposed to be one of the more powerful Jedi in the lore, and as far as the story is concerned it was a tough fight even if that wasn't reflected in gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 You know the wrath and the inquisitor can resist the mental domination of the dread masters but not the BH or the agent. Tested by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 Jaric Kaedan must have been one of the more powerful Jedi since he managed to defeat them all simultaneously, though I'd presume he had help from other Jedi. He also must have mastered some means of resisting their most powerful tool, which is mental domination. Maybe that technique was lost with his death. Of course Jaric Kaedan can potentially be stomped by the player, but that is probably an example of gameplay and lore segregation. Any fight that plays out in gameplay can be potentially won by he player easily, depending on the design of the boss fight and the skill of the player(s) involved. Even if the player wins easily Jaric is still probably supposed to be one of the more powerful Jedi in the lore, and as far as the story is concerned it was a tough fight even if that wasn't reflected in gameplay. Even in the lore, taking down Jaric was just part of the Ilum campaign and took a small imperial force. The Dread Masters became threat of both factions and took much more to take down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeneas_Falco Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The fight with Jaric is probably supposed to be tough however, even if it isn't for the player. Gameplay and story segregation... If he took down the Dread Masters, I think its safe to say that within the lore he is one of the more powerful force users in the galaxy, even if the gameplay doesn't reflect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The fight with Jaric is probably supposed to be tough however, even if it isn't for the player. Gameplay and story segregation... If he took down the Dread Masters, I think its safe to say that within the lore he is one of the more powerful force users in the galaxy, even if the gameplay doesn't reflect that. In lore how where the dread masters taken? From what I know in ops unlike in FP only one character is shown and if you played Oricon you will understand that only one of the heroes kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 The fight with Jaric is probably supposed to be tough however, even if it isn't for the player. Gameplay and story segregation... If he took down the Dread Masters, I think its safe to say that within the lore he is one of the more powerful force users in the galaxy, even if the gameplay doesn't reflect that. But other than capturing the Dread Masters, he never showed much menace to the Empire like the Dread Master showed to both sides. They were torning up entire fleet, creating an army in short time and burst out a lot of crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anysao Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Actually, a little before Update 2.4 was released, a PvE friend of mine and I did the math on just how Jaric Kaeden may've done it. So during our fight with Master Kaedan on Ilum, we find he is an Elite Guardian. One Elite NPC is meant to challenge a single player with mediocre skills. So lets assume he is equal to one player. Next, we have Republic Special Forces who were accompanied with him. If there were at least seven of them, and each is as skilled a Trooper character, this brings us to a full Operations group of 8 heroes. If by some chance the Dread Masters were fought one at a time (not totally unlikely, imagining they each had their own meditation chamber/throne room, like in the Dread Palace), it is completely feasible that Kaeden and Republic Special Forces took down the Dread Masters. Furthermore, there was no given number of Republic soldiers in this fight. If one died, there's a good chance another took his or her place. That covers the chance of death/respawn that is inherit in all Ops battles. However, if you're like me, you're probably not completely sold on this idea. So let's back up and look at the Dread Masters' fighting skills. So we know that Brontes, Raptus, Calaphayus, Bestia, and Tyrans were driven to insanity and madness after the death of Styrak on Darvannis. In-game, we battled Styrak with a group of 8. In-lore, we battled Styrak, a large battalion of Dread Guards, and a Kell Dragon (twice) with a group of 8. That makes Styrak's power look medium-high at best. So perhaps after his death, the other five were so mad, their power intensified to the point they channeled untargeted bloody destruction. If Styrak was left alive on the other hand, they may've been left a great deal weaker. Weak enough for Kaeden and Special Forces to take down. And also, someone asked why the Masters weren't executed: there is a given reason for this, I just don't remember it. Maybe they just didn't know how... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelieCZ Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) What I pointed out in this post was pointed out before and I didn't notice it. Disregard this. Edited August 14, 2015 by SteelieCZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake_Chambers Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Maybe someone or something weakened them, be it the Emperor or perhaps even the Force itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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