DroidDreamer Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I have a fully mastered drone carrier upgraded for max health and the 9% DR and even after the shield bypass nerfs I am STILL being one-shouted by gunships at full health and full shields? Come on. That's not productive for the health of GSF. It needs to be fixed. I've no problem with gunships; I enjoy mine! But rail gun one-shots are dumb and no fun. I have no problem with the gunship role, including the area denial role. But "oh crap I better stay out of that area or I'll be killed" is different than "I'm running into battle at full health and shields and die instantly." Whatever derpy combo allows this needs a fix ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos_Olympian Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Sorry but i disagree i also have a fully upgraded dronecarrier and i have survived up two or three shots from a gunship. Even a fully upgraded gunship needs two shots to take down a fully upgraded dronecarrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancezwithnubz Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 you're being hit at least twice. you may have been nailed by an ion railgun right before a slug crit and not noticed. you have not been one-shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroidDreamer Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Guys. I'm not stupid. I re-spawned, flew into battle and was one-shotted. Happened twice in one match. I know what it's like to get hit with a couple of railgun shots. That wasn't it. It happened twice in one match so it could not have been two separate hits landing at one time on both one-shot occasions. I died instantly both times. Edited February 20, 2014 by DroidDreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Guys. I'm not stupid. I re-spawned, flew into battle and was one-shotted. Happened twice in one match. I know what it's like to get hit with a couple of railgun shots. That wasn't it. It happened twice in one match so it could not have been two separate hits landing at one time on both one-shot occasions. I died instantly both times. You were in a deathmatch facing a gunship who had the Damage bonus upgrade which is a random drop some place on the map that makes any ship into one of the deadliest things you will ever face. It is litterally IMPOSSIBLE to do so otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancezwithnubz Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 tdm? damage overcharge powerup + crit would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroidDreamer Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 It was TDM so that's entirely possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanielStarr Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) You think you need a powerup to one shot with a slug? You don't. Do the math. 1750 damage extra 50% on a crit = 2625 add 28% shield penetration plus 16% more with bypass plus it completely avoids armor. It could one shot a fully upgraded Mangler. Ok as for the fully and I mean fully upgraded drone carrier you could leave that thing with as little as 366.20 health and that is only if the drone carrier went with the strongest shields and reinforced armor. Edited February 20, 2014 by NathanielStarr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeters Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) You think you need a powerup to one shot with a slug? You don't. Do the math. 1750 damage extra 50% on a crit = 2625 add 28% shield penetration plus 16% more with bypass plus it completely avoids armor. It could one shot a fully upgraded Mangler. Slug railgun does 1600, not 1750. If you took the 10% damage upgrade, you're not going to be landing any critical hits. So that's 2400 damage on a crit, not 2625. And assuming bypass stacks with passive shield penetration how I think it does, the most you're ever going to do in one hit straight to the hull through full shields (unless they've hugely gimped their own shield strength through component choice, I guess) is 1056: less than any gunship varient has. An evasion built scout wouldn't survive, but that's the penalty you pay for stacking evasion. Edited February 20, 2014 by Bleeters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verain Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I one-shot several bombers today. Maybe one was you? In all cases, I had the damage overcharge. This makes a giant notice in your ops and screen. If your team doesn't chase the damage overcharge guy (I know I always do when the enemies get it!), then everyone deserves to get one shot. Now, you MIGHT have a problem with damage overcharge- you shouldn't, it's a great powerup- but your issue is definitely NOT with gunships. Scouts with damage overcharge are the really crazy ones, especially the type 2 scouts. The cluster lock, when mastered, shoots two missiles for 400ish each, and only one can be evaded. That is a ton of damage with DO, and unlike the gunship, it really can't be avoided or turned off with pressure. Every DO I get, on any ship, is normally three quick kills at minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattycutts Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I have a fully mastered drone carrier upgraded for max health and the 9% DR and even after the shield bypass nerfs I am STILL being one-shouted by gunships at full health and full shields? Come on. That's not productive for the health of GSF. It needs to be fixed. I've no problem with gunships; I enjoy mine! But rail gun one-shots are dumb and no fun. I have no problem with the gunship role, including the area denial role. But "oh crap I better stay out of that area or I'll be killed" is different than "I'm running into battle at full health and shields and die instantly." Whatever derpy combo allows this needs a fix ASAP. i am sorry but i call BS, i have a fully mastered gunship and fully mastered bomber, no gunship that can one shot a bomber with full hull and shields. (only possibility is deathmatch with a damage overcharge perhaps). but thats a boost available to any class of ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandi Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) I've never been oneshot by gunships on my Pike and trust me, I get shot a lot by gunships cause I take them head on whenever I see one. I call BS as well. EDIT: What happens a lot though, is that 2 gunships are together, focus firing on one craft at a time. Those are nasty. Edited February 20, 2014 by Jandi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewski Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) I one-shot several bombers today. Maybe one was you? In all cases, I had the damage overcharge. This makes a giant notice in your ops and screen. If your team doesn't chase the damage overcharge guy (I know I always do when the enemies get it!), then everyone deserves to get one shot. Now, you MIGHT have a problem with damage overcharge- you shouldn't, it's a great powerup- but your issue is definitely NOT with gunships. Scouts with damage overcharge are the really crazy ones, especially the type 2 scouts. The cluster lock, when mastered, shoots two missiles for 400ish each, and only one can be evaded. That is a ton of damage with DO, and unlike the gunship, it really can't be avoided or turned off with pressure. Every DO I get, on any ship, is normally three quick kills at minimum. I love getting DO + Weapon Overcharge on my Flashfire in TDM. I once killed two bombers and a gunship in a heavily fortified cluster in about three seconds using this combo plus Bypass and BO. Although it's pretty sick when someone has this, I think it adds a certain amount of flavor to TDM, and I would hate to see it go. At most I think it should become a bit less common. So yeah, although it is possible for a gunship to one shot a scout with a crit + Bypass, a bomber is another story, and so I would say you ran up against a gunship with the Damage Overcharge. Otherwise you got hit by two gunships working in concert and their shots landed close enough together to seem like one. (I've had this happen too.) Edited February 20, 2014 by Brewski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armonddd Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) In all cases, I had the damage overcharge. This makes a giant notice in your ops and screen. If your team doesn't chase the damage overcharge guy (I know I always do when the enemies get it!), then everyone deserves to get one shot. Now, you MIGHT have a problem with damage overcharge- you shouldn't, it's a great powerup- but your issue is definitely NOT with gunships. Scouts with damage overcharge are the really crazy ones, especially the type 2 scouts. anything to justify stupid mechanics, right? Edited February 20, 2014 by Armonddd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMarmalade Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 You either came across someone with the damage overcharge in which case this is totally reasonable or came across two gunships working in unison. I know I run a lot with a guildie where one of us uses the ion and the other uses the slug. We basically take shots in unison and appear to one shot people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verain Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 anything to justify stupid mechanics, right? "You got the quad damage" has a lot of pedigree. It's team death match, after all, you would expect some power ups to change how the play flow is going temporarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armonddd Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 "You got the quad damage" has a lot of pedigree. It's team death match, after all, you would expect some power ups to change how the play flow is going temporarily. No, I would expect power ups to not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuciwalker Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'm a gunship who aggressively uses damage overcharge and I still think it's kind of dumb/OP. I do think there is some merit to complaints about one-shots, especially one-shots that require an incredible amount of awareness to prevent*. In some cases (bombers) it may be literally impossible to do anything to prevent, even with perfect reaction time upon the gunship coming into range. *I am fine with the amount of awareness gunships require you to expend in normal circumstances, where it takes two hits to kill. With one-shots and dampening you have to be tabbing through enemies and scanning through the 15km range on a 2.7-second duty cycle to guarantee survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain_Turinbar Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I shudder to think of what damage overcharge must do to gunships if it makes my heavy lasers tick for 1000 per shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattycutts Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I shudder to think of what damage overcharge must do to gunships if it makes my heavy lasers tick for 1000 per shot. sometimes not always a good thing lol quite often when it flashes up with my name having damage overcharge suddenly find im being chased from all directions and hardly get to use the buff lol in some ways gunship can be quite hard when u get damage overcharge and ya facing a average team unless they leave u alone ofc lol but when im on my scout with damage overcharge dont matter getting chased im still able to inflict high damage, as a moving gunship your not doing much damage but in games on a gunship i am left alone and i have damage overcharge its very nice like shooting fish in a barrell lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama-Eight Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Damage overcharge + fully charged ion shot + grouped up opponents = priceless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royox Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I can 2-shoot almost everybody with my flashfire using that tdm buff. So deadly it makes me feel b....GOOOOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain_Turinbar Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 sometimes not always a good thing lol quite often when it flashes up with my name having damage overcharge suddenly find im being chased from all directions and hardly get to use the buff lol in some ways gunship can be quite hard when u get damage overcharge and ya facing a average team unless they leave u alone ofc lol but when im on my scout with damage overcharge dont matter getting chased im still able to inflict high damage, as a moving gunship your not doing much damage but in games on a gunship i am left alone and i have damage overcharge its very nice like shooting fish in a barrell lol I find it to be the opposite. I get the Damage Overcharge and get 1 kill, maybe 2 because they avoid me like the plague until it ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterKannNix Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 My ships are only lightly upgraded (It's hard to get exp if you mostly have to fight biased fights because the enemy is stuffed to the teeth.) and i quite regularly get one shot. (Sure quite often my shield is a little damage because of some glance shoots but it was still green) And yes that sucks... I got set up against two guys watching each other extremely often.. (Damn i hate them) .. and my chance to kill one of them is null percent. I burst in with afterburner or even barrel role and the second i start to open fire scratching their shield i explode, snipped by the other one. They are even pestier than the ****** bombers. I hate playing gunships as they are so boring to play but that's my only chance to also get 10 medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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