Selenial Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Not sure it would help. Apparently Tune has soldiers equipped with Batman's Detective Vision. Lol what? XD And it always helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Not sure it would help. Apparently Tune has soldiers equipped with Batman's Detective Vision. Thats actually a pretty accurate description of some of the scanning equipment. Though I will note that 47 might be a little bit better off taking advantage of stealth then the shadow troopers because much of the scanning equipment had shorter ranges on metal detection then they did for life detection. So its not entirely a bad plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Lol what? XD And it always helps Detective Vision. You know, that vision mode that lets you see through walls and people. Tune's soldiers have that kind of tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Thats actually a pretty accurate description of some of the scanning equipment. Though I will note that 47 might be a little bit better off taking advantage of stealth then the shadow troopers because much of the scanning equipment had shorter ranges on metal detection then they did for life detection. So its not entirely a bad plan. Though your forces aren't going to have them all, all the time. And of course, Malachor plays hell with Scanning equipment, so it's POSSIBLE that sometimes it'd show one when there wasn't, and the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Oh so HK can have a stealth package but IG can't huh? I see how it is! But yeah...goes both ways with that, mmm...a nice Disruptor rifle would work wonders too. Then again his Pulse cannon is devastating too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Though your forces aren't going to have them all, all the time. And of course, Malachor plays hell with Scanning equipment, so it's POSSIBLE that sometimes it'd show one when there wasn't, and the other way around. Yes on Malachor this is a possibility, but if we are on malachor your likely dealing with a very overwhelming force potentially somewhere between 30,000-200,000 troops, with at least half your shadow troops likely already dead. (if we are wondering where i get this many troops 2 things 1 Hapes, 2 Training and recruitment.) Malachor is the last battle ground it will be hit when the AoW knows it has the upper hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The historian was stunned at the realisation she had come across, but it was more than a realisation, it was a vision, a point at which she was in full control of the future of the galaxy. She could either warn Revan against dis-obeying the Council or use him as her weapon against the Order which had neglected her and her visions. She knew now that these visions granted her more than just a knowledge of the future, instead it granted her something far more powerful, the choice of changing the future at whim. Traya didn't just have visions, she saw Shatterpoints of the future and she could manipulate them to her end, Raxus Prime would be a massive shatterpoint of the war which she is directly controlling. She was the cause of the the fall of the Jedi Order, it was her approval that gave Revan the conviction to dis-obey the council. There are many ways I can imagine in which she can manipulate this entire scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) I bit of inane chatter.The longer this Kaggath goes, the more I wonder how IG-88 is even allowed, because he can apparently solo fleets and never be detected doing it and completely win any battle, cus IG-88.I never thought that would be relevant, until now.Well then it would be nice if some neutral and well versed in the character would actually tell us what he apparently can't do and how he would be defeated, because at the moment, that's nigh impossible.Wolf. We are looking at you. But seriously this isn't a 1v1 match, there are 100 ways and then some in which he could die. A simple Force Crush being one of them. You can't dodge that.As far as I understand she doesnt have Dark jedi she does have average Sith Joe, Just like I dont have any one but average Rebel Joe flying the ships.If there is evidence to suggest that Revan's Sith Navy had Force Sensitive pilots then she does, and I think there is evidence to suggest that - it might have to be reviewed.Eh, I had a little help from Beni Everyone had a little help from Beni. Ehehe, ohoho, ahahahahahaha! Ok would that mean i get Wraith squadron, Rouge Squadron, and Even more Rebel specialist marines in my ships?As a rule I think such fighter squadrons should be aloud, but minus their prominent individuals. But considering you have both Wedge and Luke, it makes no difference here. So yes you have them, and anyone else who would not be classed as a prominent figure - within reason of course.It's understandable, I have very hateful memories of Our Kaggath, mainly because Beni was my only backer, and even then it was his job No, Rage gives me STRENGTH I totally deserved to lose against your faction though, there's no disputing that, Vader was always the one that Terrified me... And Krayt.Young fool... Only now, at the end, do you understand...You're not the only one, I think everyone figured out Warren's faction from her Sig () Mine from my fangirling of Traya, Tune's love of Luke... Yeh, I think all of us had at least a couple of people made obvious I'd be interested to see who people think I've chosen...I don't think anyone suspected that it t'was I, Canino, who had Vader! But, the Hutt? Yeah, probably me.... I'm going Green, with my...um...droid friend here going white. Best of both worlds!That. Is. Awesome. And is it just me or whenever some uses that Hutt icon you hear a fart? Well... they do say imitation is the best form of flattery, I started the whole coloured font round these parts y'know.Coloured font before it was cool. Lol, I remember trying to choose a colour, none of them worked so I took one that wasn't even in the palette.I challenge the notion that only 2-3 people know how to defend against it. I also challenge the notion that using it could allow any force user to beat any other force user. Reason, many sith new it during the ancient times thus jedi likely knew how to defend against it. Its not like that. Force Drain can't be defended against by conventional Force Barriers because its not an attack, no energy is being thrust forward, its being taking away. However one can defend against it simply by being more powerful than one's opponent. Traya can only Force Drain to death those considerably inferior to her, as it is with sever Force. But I think its too much of an assumption to believe that Luke or Leia no any techniques that negate it.Kavar was a telekinetic powerhouse, Vrook was basically like Dooku in using Force Bolster despite his age and Zez-Kai Ell had exceptional mastery of Tutaminis, no they aren't as powerful as Vandar, but regardless, they aren't impotent Jedi Masters like many seem to think.I had to use like 20 bloody mines just to get Vrook down to half health. /debate. But is this all in the KOTOR CG? Because they never do much in game, and folks nerf them because of that.Traya didn't just have visions, she saw Shatterpoints of the future and she could manipulate them to her end, Raxus Prime would be a massive shatterpoint of the war which she is directly controlling. She was the cause of the the fall of the Jedi Order, it was her approval that gave Revan the conviction to dis-obey the council. There are many ways I can imagine in which she can manipulate this entire scenario.Wow, that really adds a whole lot more clarity to the statement: "Even then, you could see the Jedi he would slay etched on his soul." Oh and in regards to IG-88 vs Maul. I am in process of reading Lockdown and I can tell you he is a monster. Calling him a living weapon would be an understatement, I think he can take down IG-88. Edited February 21, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 OK, now that we've all calmed down a little I have a few things to say: 1. I'll allow the Core, on the basis that I originally allowed it. 2. Whether IG-88 etc. are OP or not is not relevant to the discussion right now so lets leave it. 3. Time to get back to the debate, stop wasting time reading this list. Jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 OK, now that we've all calmed down a little I have a few things to say: 1. I'll allow the Core, on the basis that I originally allowed it. 2. Whether IG-88 etc. are OP or not is not relevant to the discussion right now so lets leave it. 3. Time to get back to the debate, stop wasting time reading this list. Jeez. Well considering, Luke and Leia have a greater connection to the Force then Traya does, do you think this means she can not drain either of them to death, but instead would leave them feeling winded while she herself grew a bit stronger? Also does any one want to try a do a fight analysis between Luke and Maul? Right now I think if the 2 were to face off the match would be 50:50 depending on location and who just got lucky on that particular day. Also not sure where we are at right now in terms of debate, I kind of lost track of what the hell we were talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 This is literally all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I bit of inane chatter.I never thought that would be relevant, until now.Wolf. We are looking at you. Already went over this. 1. Be illogical 2. Have lots of firepower 3. Military grade Ion cannons + grenades into body 4. Send Maul after him, hoping he doesn't dick around to get killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Well considering, Luke and Leia have a greater connection to the Force then Traya does, do you think this means she can not drain either of them to death, but instead would leave them feeling winded while she herself grew a bit stronger? Also does any one want to try a do a fight analysis between Luke and Maul? Right now I think if the 2 were to face off the match would be 50:50 depending on location and who just got lucky on that particular day. Also not sure where we are at right now in terms of debate, I kind of lost track of what the hell we were talking about. You're right it would be a 50/50 split between Luke vs Maul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Lol, I remember trying to choose a colour, none of them worked so I took one that wasn't even in the palette. ^ This guy, too cool for School he is. Its not like that. Force Drain can't be defended against by conventional Force Barriers because its not an attack, no energy is being thrust forward, its being taking away. However one can defend against it simply by being more powerful than one's opponent. Traya can only Force Drain to death those considerably inferior to her, as it is with sever Force. TBH, I'd put Traya above both Leia and Lule. .I had to use like 20 bloody mines just to get Vrook down to half health. /debate. I laughed way too hard at this. Oh and in regards to IG-88 vs Maul. I am in process of reading Lockdown and I can tell you he is a monster. Calling him a living weapon would be an understatement, I think he can take down IG-88. Maul winning was never the question, IG beating him solely relies on Maul stopping to gloat, which he doesn't do. He likes winning, he likes it a lot. Only gloats for Dun Moch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Well considering, Luke and Leia have a greater connection to the Force then Traya does, do you think this means she can not drain either of them to death, but instead would leave them feeling winded while she herself grew a bit stronger? Also does any one want to try a do a fight analysis between Luke and Maul? Right now I think if the 2 were to face off the match would be 50:50 depending on location and who just got lucky on that particular day. Also not sure where we are at right now in terms of debate, I kind of lost track of what the hell we were talking about.Lets not concern ourselves with potential here. I think there is something to be said about strengthening one's connection to the Force over time. That said we have to remember that Luke was close to Vader's power at this point, and Leia will be bolstering him with Force Harmony. Combined, they are the superior Force Users. EDIT: As for the state of the debate, to be quite honest as much as I hate to admit it it might just come down to a fight in the Core. If both parties lose their shipyards and destroy eachother in space. However I think we do need to look closer at the tactics employable by the stealth fleet going on the offensive, possibly bypassing the blockade on Hapes and invading. I'd make some arguments myself but I'm sure Sel & Co. can come up with something. Edited February 21, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Well considering, Luke and Leia have a greater connection to the Force then Traya does, do you think this means she can not drain either of them to death, but instead would leave them feeling winded while she herself grew a bit stronger? Also does any one want to try a do a fight analysis between Luke and Maul? Right now I think if the 2 were to face off the match would be 50:50 depending on location and who just got lucky on that particular day. Also not sure where we are at right now in terms of debate, I kind of lost track of what the hell we were talking about. Don't even go there, if Traya can drain 3 incredible masters like that, she can drain ROTJ Luke, or at least Leia. As for luke vs Maul... Maul wins on Physicality, Lightsaber Style, and probably force ability too... So Maul. As for Mentality, would be hard to keep a level head on Malachor, or if it wasnt on Malachor, whilst your sister is being tortured by a Maniacal sith lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 This is literally all of us.Oh my, that is hilariously accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Lets not concern ourselves with potential here. I think there is something to be said about strengthening one's connection to the Force over time. That said we have to remember that Luke was close to Vader's power at this point, and Leia will be bolstering him with Force Harmony. Combined, they are the superior Force Users. One assumes Traya wouldn't be smart enough to make this a 2 vs 2, Traya & Maul vs Luke and Leia, Leia is going to be a little bit busy not being decapitated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Lets not concern ourselves with potential here. I think there is something to be said about strengthening one's connection to the Force over time. That said we have to remember that Luke was close to Vader's power at this point, and Leia will be bolstering him with Force Harmony. Combined, they are the superior Force Users. Lol, If Leia's bolstering him with Force Harmony, Maul will be busy decapitating her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Oh and in regards to IG-88 vs Maul. I am in process of reading Lockdown and I can tell you he is a monster. Calling him a living weapon would be an understatement, I think he can take down IG-88. We already knew he was a beast I'm planning on getting Lockdown myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) One assumes Traya wouldn't be smart enough to make this a 2 vs 2, Traya & Maul vs Luke and Leia, Leia is going to be a little bit busy not being decapitated. Great minds think alike Literally posted that at the exact same time. Edited February 21, 2014 by Selenial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 You're right it would be a 50/50 split between Luke vs Maul.I'd personally disagree, I think the Force gives Maul a large advantage - he can just Force Crush IG-88 if given the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Don't even go there, if Traya can drain 3 incredible masters like that, she can drain ROTJ Luke, or at least Leia. As for luke vs Maul... Maul wins on Physicality, Lightsaber Style, and probably force ability too... So Maul. As for Mentality, would be hard to keep a level head on Malachor, or if it wasnt on Malachor, whilst your sister is being tortured by a Maniacal sith lord. No Luke and Maul are pretty much even in regards to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I'd personally disagree, I think the Force gives Maul a large advantage - he can just Force Crush IG-88 if given the opportunity. Not sure what this post meant, but yeah I know...went over this already, send Maul after IG-88 and if he doesn't dick around he has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Oh my, that is hilariously accurate. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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