So all you 'light siders', how many billions have you killed over the years?

[Karlarg]

I was running around with a JC in the old Galactic Market the other day with a mission to kill 40 NCPs and I realized that with all the kills I've racked up over the years I'd be accused of genocide IRL. A bit disconcerting playing a Jedi.

[MilesTeg_cy]

For me, it is not about killing but about the reasons to kill.

 

We all have to eat. To do that we have to feed on organic materials such as vegetables and animals. So we have to kill in order to keep on living. As long as we don't kill more than we need, our intention is "light". That makes the acts just.

 

Killing, even though it is not necessary and for self needs only (for enjoyment etc.) is considered as an act of "dark side".

 

"Killing, to save others' lives" or not, that's the question

[Jandi]

It's genetic weeding, so it's ok. No different from gardening really.

[psandak]

If they attack me...I am simply defending myself.

 

Also do not be so literal. Just because you bring an adversary to zero health does not mean he/she/it is dead. You "defeated" all those NPCs. And look they are back, doing their thing again .

[Karlarg]

Aside from the whole 'Kill <insert number> <insert NCP faction>' bit...

[CaptainApop]

Game mechanics clash horribly with the storylines in most games, particularly in swtor.

 

Headcannon is pretty much all you can go for. Take your pick.

 

1. Left people seriously wounded rather than dead.
    
   
2. Considerably less enemies storywise (Not killing 40 npcs for a quest)
    
   
3. Character has serious denial or bipolar issues.
   

 

Honestly this is why I prefer the imp stories, even the LS versions of BH, SW, Agent and Inq seem like wanton slaughter is still one of their plays even if it isn't their go-to.

[Karlarg]

Game mechanics clash horribly with the storylines in most games, particularly in swtor.

 

Headcannon is pretty much all you can go for. Take your pick.

 

1. Left people seriously wounded rather than dead.
    
   
2. Considerably less enemies storywise (Not killing 40 npcs for a quest)
    
   
3. Character has serious denial or bipolar issues.
   

 

Honestly this is why I prefer the imp stories, even the LS versions of BH, SW, Agent and Inq seem like wanton slaughter is still one of their plays even if it isn't their go-to.

 

In my mind the side quests involves simply walking into a target area (I'm a Jedi, nobody is going to mess with me) and only fight the boss and his bodyguards/anyone guarding a target. None of the other stuff like NCP killing and datacron hunting actually happens.

[Sadishist]

If you're a light sider, you should have no emotions, so don't worry about it.

[Aurbere]

If you're a light sider, you should have no emotions, so don't worry about it.

 

Not true. Jedi have emotions.

[Sadishist]

Not true. Jedi have emotions.

 

No, it's in the Jedi Code.

[Aurbere]

No, it's in the Jedi Code.

 

Again, not true. The Code teaches a Jedi to not let emotions cloud their judgment. Refer yourself to the teachings of Odan-Urr. Or even read Republic Chapter 1, in which Mace Windu also hints at this.

[Wolfninjajedi]

No, it's in the Jedi Code.

 

Really? Ok then every Jedi ever has failed at being a Jedi.

[Beniboybling]

No, it's in the Jedi Code.

When the Code says emotion, it really means passion. To have no emotions would make you incapable of caring for people and therefore helping them. The Jedi Order has its foundations in empathy.

 

I personally prefer the old code:

 

Emotion, yet peace.

Ignorance, yet knowledge.

Passion, yet serenity.

Chaos, yet harmony.

Death, yet the Force.

 

It allows for the idea of real balance, instead of implying their is only the light.

Edited January 8, 2014 by Beniboybling

[Aurbere]

When the Code says emotion, it really means passion. To have no emotions would make you incapable of caring for people and therefore helping them. The Jedi Order has its foundations in empathy.

 

I personally prefer the old code:

 

Emotion, yet peace.

Ignorance, yet knowledge.

Passion, yet serenity.

Chaos, yet harmony.

Death, yet the Force.

 

It allows for the idea of real balance, instead of implying their is only the light.

 

Meh, I think the revised code fits for Jedi beliefs. /shrug

[Beniboybling]

Meh, I think the revised code fits for Jedi beliefs. /shrug

Exactly, Jedi beliefs are wroooooooong!

 

EDIT: No but really, I think the old code is better, because it acknowledges that these entities exist.

Edited January 8, 2014 by Beniboybling

[Aurbere]

Exactly, Jedi beliefs are wroooooooong!

 

EDIT: No but really, I think the old code is better, because it acknowledges that these entities exist.

 

The second line is a tad weird, though.

[Beniboybling]

The second line is a tad weird, though.

I think the whole idea is that there is X, but you can overcome it and achieve Y, or achieve balance between X and Y.

 

On the otherhand "There is no ignorance, the is knowledge." is both contradictory and ironic as many Jedi remain willfully ignorant of the dark side for their own protection, and ignorance has been the downfall of the Jedi many a time.

 

All in all, in makes the call of the dark side, that promises freedom from restrictions and absolutes, all the more seductive. Yeah that's right, only a Jedi deals in absolutes, Mr. Kenobi is dead wrong.

 

EDIT: Was just looking for a video in relation to that absolute thing and stumbled upon this on some forum:

 

Nevertheless, I think the line can be interpreted to make a little sense...Obi-Wan merely expressed himself a little clumsily (can you blame him, giving the circumstances?). One can imagine the following, more elegant exchange:

 

Anakin: In the circumstances surrounding loyalty, fealty and overall alignment of purpose and action, one is either of entirely one mind with the person so referred to by the practice of the perpendicular pronoun, or one must be said to be in a state colloquially referred to as being "at odds". Any state of matters which can be said to be as falling within these two extremes is so insufficiently asseverative as to be fundamentally and wholly indistinguishable from opposition.

 

Obi-Wan: Individuals or persons not counting themselves among the number of those who refer to themselves as "the Sith", would be hard-pressed to make a statement as utterly categorical, and not admitting, upon mature reflection, of views which, at the end of the day, would have to be said to be more balanced (in an, of course, non-epistemological fashion) and, frankly, more sophisticated.

 

That should have been in the movie.

Edited January 8, 2014 by Beniboybling

[DARTHOSIRUS]

I was running around with a JC in the old Galactic Market the other day with a mission to kill 40 NCPs and I realized that with all the kills I've racked up over the years I'd be accused of genocide IRL. A bit disconcerting playing a Jedi.

 

Depends on how you look at it. Who says you are killing anyone you battle? I incapacitate most my opponents, and at the end of the day they still live.

[Beniboybling]

Depends on how you look at it. Who says you are killing anyone you battle? I incapacitate most my opponents, and at the end of the day they still live.

Incapacitating people with a lightsaber... you heard it here first.

[DARTHOSIRUS]

Incapacitating people with a lightsaber... you heard it here first.

 

I suggest you watch

 

Episode 2 attack of the clones

 

Dooku vs Obiwan

[Beniboybling]

I suggest you watch

 

Episode 2 attack of the clones

 

Dooku vs Obiwan

I think a Jedi Knight wielding the strong style would find it quite difficult to disable enemies in such a precise manner, especially those wearing armor, which is very likely most...

[RowanThursday]

I think the whole idea is that there is X, but you can overcome it and achieve Y, or achieve balance between X and Y.

 

On the otherhand "There is no ignorance, the is knowledge." is both contradictory and ironic as many Jedi remain willfully ignorant of the dark side for their own protection, and ignorance has been the downfall of the Jedi many a time.

 

All in all, in makes the call of the dark side, that promises freedom from restrictions and absolutes, all the more seductive. Yeah that's right, only a Jedi deals in absolutes, Mr. Kenobi is dead wrong.

 

EDIT: Was just looking for a video in relation to that absolute thing and stumbled upon this on some forum:

 

Nevertheless, I think the line can be interpreted to make a little sense...Obi-Wan merely expressed himself a little clumsily (can you blame him, giving the circumstances?). One can imagine the following, more elegant exchange:

 

Anakin: In the circumstances surrounding loyalty, fealty and overall alignment of purpose and action, one is either of entirely one mind with the person so referred to by the practice of the perpendicular pronoun, or one must be said to be in a state colloquially referred to as being "at odds". Any state of matters which can be said to be as falling within these two extremes is so insufficiently asseverative as to be fundamentally and wholly indistinguishable from opposition.

 

Obi-Wan: Individuals or persons not counting themselves among the number of those who refer to themselves as "the Sith", would be hard-pressed to make a statement as utterly categorical, and not admitting, upon mature reflection, of views which, at the end of the day, would have to be said to be more balanced (in an, of course, non-epistemological fashion) and, frankly, more sophisticated.

 

 

Anakin: Whilst you have vouchsafed an intent to dissuade me from my present course and means by the employment of violent methodology, all available evidence and my empirical observations of your aims, motives, and abilities indicates that you will indeed take action based on this volition, by actions including but not necessarily limited to strong words; sternly phrased correspondence; the use of telekinetic mental abilities or attempts to aggressively chastise and/or mutilate me with the use of an energised plasma weapon, tu whit a "lightsaber", nevertheless my own analysis of our relative martial and specialised techniques, modes and typical manner of employing them, and factoring in the bravado and tendency toward highly emotive statements exaggerated by the unfeasibly extreme amounts of testosterone currently occupying my bloodstream, all suggest in fact a conclusion that whilst you will attempt to dissuade me, your attempt will serve as a premise without conclusion and I shall in point of fact continue my current courses of action in an uninterrupted manner.

 

Obi-Wan: .... oh come here and I'll cut yer arms and legs off.

[Beniboybling]

Anakin: Whilst you have vouchsafed an intent to dissuade me from my present course and means by the employment of violent methodology, all available evidence and my empirical observations of your aims, motives, and abilities indicates that you will indeed take action based on this volition, by actions including but not necessarily limited to strong words; sternly phrased correspondence; the use of telekinetic mental abilities or attempts to aggressively chastise and/or mutilate me with the use of an energised plasma weapon, tu whit a "lightsaber", nevertheless my own analysis of our relative martial and specialised techniques, modes and typical manner of employing them, and factoring in the bravado and tendency toward highly emotive statements exaggerated by the unfeasibly extreme amounts of testosterone currently occupying my bloodstream, all suggest in fact a conclusion that whilst you will attempt to dissuade me, your attempt will serve as a premise without conclusion and I shall in point of fact continue my current courses of action in an uninterrupted manner.

 

Obi-Wan: .... oh come here and I'll cut yer arms and legs off.

Ha ha! I'd put that in my sig, but its too big!

[Jandi]

A "No, you!" would have been much better, to be honest.

[DARTHOSIRUS]

I think a Jedi Knight wielding the strong style would find it quite difficult to disable enemies in such a precise manner, especially those wearing armor, which is very likely most...

 

You know what probably...

 

If the Jedi Knight cannot disable the opponent with his saber, he could always resort to the force. If that does not work then I guess he will have no choice but to kill the enemy. However this would not be a black mark on his lightside status.

 

My main character is a sith assassin, and she has the tools to disable enemies in a precise manner.

 

In the end I was only trying to suggest you can play however you want. If you are creative then you don't have to a lightsider who commits mass genocide.

Edited January 30, 2014 by DARTHOSIRUS