S_W_LeGenD Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) No answer to Force Drain. Like, quite literally the words "No Defense" have been used. What makes you think that their is no answer to Force Drain? Traya's perception? Oh, and you forget Traya taught Revan, that's another Bonus. And just because they knew most of the things she did, doesnt mean they're as powerful/more (because they knew it first? Rofl) Traya was a tutor of Revan in the ways of Jedi, Revan had many tutors by the way. Gonna have to elaborate. Until then... om nom Traya uncovered information that was already known to Revan and Malak: "Led by a woman named Kreia, the rogue Jedi turned to the dark side teachings uncovered by Malak and Revan." (From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan) On top of this, Revan was a master of defensive applications of the Force. Edited December 15, 2013 by S_W_LeGenD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Nope. Think back a ways. Back when the in-depth series first began... Idk, I'm drawing a blank here... Exar Kun? Kreia is the only other one I can think of, But I already guessed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 No, because, and I quote here:Jeez, spoil my fun. Anyway I'm still nominating Malak, I think Selenial has proved this nomination justified. The amount of times he's been referred to as "average" "nothing special" "weak" etc. etc. are too many to count. I'm also going to throw Sion and Plagueis into the pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 What makes you think that their is no answer to Force Drain? Traya's perception? Traya was a tutor of Revan in the ways of Jedi, Revan had many tutors by the way. Also, see this: Traya uncovered information that was already known to Revan and Malak: "Led by a woman named Kreia, the rogue Jedi turned to the dark side teachings uncovered by Malak and Revan." (From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan) Page reference please, that quote makes no sense to me on it's own. I can't think who this "rogue Jedi" is. Oh, and there's been ONE documented way to stop Force Drain, known by two people. Ulic Qel-Droma, and Anakin Skywalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Traya uncovered information that was already known to Revan and Malak: "Led by a woman named Kreia, the rogue Jedi turned to the dark side teachings uncovered by Malak and Revan." (From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan) I saw that quote. That's why I said that you should elaborate. So again I reiterate: om nom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) Page reference please, that quote makes no sense to me on it's own. I can't think who this "rogue Jedi" is. Oh, and there's been ONE documented way to stop Force Drain, known by two people. Ulic Qel-Droma, and Anakin Skywalker. Also Sidious given well...because it's him plus he knows Force Drain too. Dooku I think too ffom Sidious but that I am unsure, but he had to know how to resist the effects of drain considering he went about building the super weapon. Edited December 15, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_W_LeGenD Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Page reference please, that quote makes no sense to me on it's own. I can't think who this "rogue Jedi" is. Chapter 17. Oh, and there's been ONE documented way to stop Force Drain, known by two people. Ulic Qel-Droma, and Anakin Skywalker. Good highlight. Revan was a master of defensive applications of the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I'm also going to throw Sion and Plagueis into the pile. Sion I can see. Plagueis, I'm not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Jeez, spoil my fun. Anyway I'm still nominating Malak, I think Selenial has proved this nomination justified. The amount of times he's been referred to as "average" "nothing special" "weak" etc. etc. are too many to count. I'm also going to throw Sion and Plagueis into the pile. Your point being? Malak was one guy, not a thousand. He was also inferior to Revan. Yes Malak failed, Infact, you even referred to Malak as a complete Failure Seriously, still not underestimating him here, I said he's worse than Revan, by quite a distance, and not better than any leaders in our Kaggath, this isnt Underestimating, this is truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_W_LeGenD Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) I saw that quote. That's why I said that you should elaborate. So again I reiterate: om nom Revan could form a (protective) bubble around himself for protection against a huge variety of powers and external attacks, as apparent from his actions against the Imperial Strike Team sent to assassinate him. As I pointed out before, Revan was a mater of defensive applications of the Force and he have vast affiliation with both the Jedi and Sith teachings (including knowledge and command of Force Drain talents). Traya herself was in awe of his abilities. Edited December 16, 2013 by S_W_LeGenD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Revan could form a protective bubble around himself to protect from a huge variety of powers and external attacks, as apparent from his actions against the Imperial Strike Team sent to assassinate him. Cutscene? Or gameplay? As I pointed out before, Revan was a mater of defensive applications of the Force and he have vast affiliation with both the Jedi and Sith teachings. He have a good case. OK, but that doesn't mean he can defend against Force Drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Revan could form a protective bubble around himself to protect from a huge variety of powers and external attacks, as apparent from his actions against the Imperial Strike Team sent to assassinate him. As I pointed out before, Revan was a mater of defensive applications of the Force and he have vast affiliation with both the Jedi and Sith teachings. He have a good case. That power to stop Force Drain was completely unprecedented in the Jedi order, especially around that time. If it was knowledge the Jedi knew of, none would have died on Katarr, if it was knowledge of the Sith, Sion would not have fallen to Nihilus. Oh, and as for the Kreia quote, yes, makes sense now. But all it's saying was they fell to the darkside from those teachings, not everything they knew was from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Cutscene? Or gameplay? OK, but that doesn't mean he can defend against Force Drain. Gameplay. Also, not even gameplay, because you can get around it and actually kill him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Idk, I'm drawing a blank here... Exar Kun? Kreia is the only other one I can think of, But I already guessed that Still waiting aurbere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Gameplay. Also, not even gameplay, because you can get around it and actually kill him Mmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Still waiting aurbere. OK! Fine! Idk, I'm drawing a blank here... Exar Kun? Kreia is the only other one I can think of, But I already guessed that If an over-rated characters thread was made way back then, Revan would top the list. Back then Revan was synonymous with Mick Foley (nice little Wrestling reference ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 OK! Fine! If an over-rated characters thread was made way back then, Revan would top the list. Back then Revan was synonymous with Mick Foley (nice little Wrestling reference ) *facedesk* Of course XD When I said Vitiate, I meant who's overrated now But yeh, Revan's a bloody close Second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 *facedesk* Of course XD When I said Vitiate, I meant who's overrated now But yeh, Revan's a bloody close Second. Well, I said look back, didn't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) Infact, you even referred to Malak as a complete Failure Seriously, still not underestimating him here, I said he's worse than Revan, by quite a distance, and not better than any leaders in our Kaggath, this isnt Underestimating, this is truth Well, I think that seals the deal, even I have underestimated him. Must we really continue? EDIT: And lets not back track now, you said he was nothing, nothing in comparison to Revan. NOTHING. Edited December 16, 2013 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Well, I think that seals the deal, even I have underestimated him. Must we really continue? EDIT: And lets not back track now, you said he was nothing, nothing in comparison to Revan. NOTHING. He's nothin', man! Nothin'! Who's going to get that reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Revan could form a (protective) bubble around himself for protection against a huge variety of powers and external attacks, as apparent from his actions against the Imperial Strike Team sent to assassinate him. As I pointed out before, Revan was a mater of defensive applications of the Force and he have vast affiliation with both the Jedi and Sith teachings (including knowledge and command of Force Drain talents). Traya herself was in awe of his abilities.Lets deal with the facts here, no conventional defense has proven capable of defending against Force Drain. Revan uses conventional defenses. Nor is this just Traya's word (which in fact is the cleverly disguised words of the writers) but is confirmed as such by Ulic Qel Droma who tells Anakin he must learn a special technique to defend against its power. Revan is never said to have learned this technique nor did he possess the means. All in all, I think Traya is more than enough to challenge Revan. Anyone saying otherwise just reasserts her candidacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Well, I think that seals the deal, even I have underestimated him. Must we really continue? EDIT: And lets not back track now, you said he was nothing, nothing in comparison to Revan. NOTHING. You missed the word Practically Also, Get back to the Kaggath you slacker. Also, Can we call it so I can get to mine quicker? If we go as slow as we have been, I might not actually be around to post at all Also, He Is basically nothing in comparison to Revan... You know that. sure, he was Revans #2, but there was a massive difference between the 2. And this is coming from the Anti-Revan-Fanboy club president! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 He's nothin', man! Nothin'! Who's going to get that reference? I think I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I think I do? Weeeell...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) You missed the word Practically Also, Get back to the Kaggath you slacker. Also, Can we call it so I can get to mine quicker? If we go as slow as we have been, I might not actually be around to post at all Also, He Is basically nothing in comparison to Revan... You know that. sure, he was Revans #2, but there was a massive difference between the 2. And this is coming from the Anti-Revan-Fanboy club president!OK by so practically we are talking dust mote size. OK that's cool. Come up with some evidence to support your argument, then we can talk. Or put him on the list. Lol, Vader gets nominated for #1 but Malak gets rejected. I should be laughing, but it ain't funny. The guy is so gosh darn underrated he doesn't make the underrated list. Edited December 16, 2013 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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