Rebalancing of Defensive CD's in the PT trees:

[Megatfx]

The reason why AP tanks are viable is because as a DPS tree it has too many strong passive and reactive defensive CD's while having Taunt and Guard. You give Marauders Taunt and Guard and you'd see smash tanks in full DPS gear. The "damage" that AP's can do while in Ion Cell is not why they are strong, take a look at Vengeance Juggs, they can still put out strong burst while in Tank stance, but they are squishy regardless of the fact they are in Tank stance because they are a DPS tree.

 

The defensive CD imbalance began when AP was given energy rebounder, and then their AoE damage reduction skill was given 30% damage reduction while stunned on top of that while Pyrotechs were given "Degauss" which gives us a 25% chance to resist ANYTHING in the game for 6 seconds.

 

While Degauss is situationally incredible, it requires too much RNG for me to even consider it a fair trade for Energy Rebounder. Degauss feels more like a PT Tank skill vice a Pyrotech defensive CD. I've had situations where it's resisted 0 attacks while being tunneled by 2 dps and I've had situations where it's been godlike and resisted 80+% of all attacks during it's 6 second window. I've had it not resist a smash, but then resist a Battering Assault (Low damage rage builder for marauder), and vice versa.

 

It is not a real defensive ability, but more like a roll of the dice, for me to feel like Degauss is a true defensive CD it needs to have at least a 50% defense chance during it's 6 second window but tbh I want degauss scrapped.

 

What I'd like to see for talent changes is a few things and I know the die hard AP's are going to hate me for saying it, but AP is too strong defensive wise and Pyro is too weak.

 

Degauss - give it to Tanks, defense chance is a tank ability and is in more in line with Shield Techs abilities over Pyro.

 

Then do 1 of the next two things:

Replace Degauss with Energy Rebounder while separating the 30% AoE damage reduction talent with the 30% reduced damage while stunned talent in the AP tree so that way they still have to spend those two points for that defense.

 

Or:

Replace Degauss with 30% AoE damage reduction in the Pyro tree while leaving 30% damage reduction while stunned in the same spot on the AP tree and leaving Energy Rebounder in AP.

 

 

The only reason why AP tanks are so successful is that they have incredibly strong defensive CD's, have taunt, and guard. How many tanks would wear DPS gear if they had 30% aoe damage reduction, 30% damage reduction while stunned, and a talent that reduced the CD of Saber Ward every they get hit with an attack? Pretty sure EVERY tank in the game would.

 

Same thing with Marauders, they have really strong defensive's, you give them Taunt and Guard and you'd see Carnage or Rage Marauder tanks in arena. The reason why AP Tanks are so strong is not the damage, as Vengeance juggs in tank stance can put out equivalent damage as single target, it's that we are twice as strong as they are defensive CD wise.

 

If they spread the defensive CD's in the AP tree to Pyro more evenly as I've mentioned above then it would immediately destroy AP tanks in Arena as they'd not have enough passive damage reduction to main tank, but they'd still have enough defensive CD's to be a main DPS in Arena.

 

It would also open up Pyro as a more viable 4v4 spec in Arena and give us a CHOICE between "AP or Pyro" not which one is better, but which one works for your team or your playstyle.

Edited November 26, 2013 by Megatfx

[CDWthoon]

I honestly do agree with you on the fact that the defensive capabilities need to be dispersed more wisely. From my experience in 4v4 ranked team scenarios, I do find that these AP tanks are priority #1 for single target focus, and in most cases they melt rapidly provided efficient CCs of the healer. However, I've been 37/7/2 practically since launch on my Vanguard/PT for PvE and PvP tanking purposes. What I'm finding is, regardless of the conventional mitigation chances in consideration of guard splash damage, the 16% defense, 35% shield, and 50% absorb I attain are essentially useless in scenarios in which the opposing group focuses the tank with armor penetration or DoTs. Sure, there's oil slick, yet melee can just relocate, and ranged don't even have to worry about it. Reactive Shield's 25% dmg reduction with a 13% up time is nice, when it's rarely available. The shoulder cannon heal I have is hardly noticeable in a situation where dpsers yielding 800-1300 dps are focusing, and Adrenaline Rush is on a three minute cooldown after possibly healing for at most 30% of my health. Is it truly logical, when adjacent tank classes have such a wide array of utility cool downs (50% defense chance cool downs, 50% damage reduction cool downs, immunity to tech and force for 4 seconds, complete reflection to tech and force for 3-5s, stealth, a 30ish meter escape teleport, 1/3 health increases for around 20 seconds), to merely give a legitimate tank spec 25% damage reduction and momentary, minor heals? Seeing dps have more defensive passives and cool downs in relation to the tank tree is a bit puzzling.

 

-Hochschirm, PoT5

-Caroth, JC

Edited November 27, 2013 by CDWthoon

[Brunner_Venda]

I have to agree with the post. The 30% damage reduction while stunned should go

to the pyro tree somewhere (that or the AOE damage reduction). the two should be split because together they are a bit over the top.

 

What makes it over the top is the fact that it's passive. It doesn't take any skill or intelligence to get such a massive benefit. At least for undying rage, you have to click a button.

 

I would let AP keep rebounder, because that and kolto overload with automated defenses would be ridiculously overpowered.

[Ottoattack]

Looking at AP from dps prescriptive (playing 8-36-2), not tank, are AP PTs OP? No. They are in a good spot in terms of damage output and survivability. The problem is the tank is leveraging on all DCDs and adding to them ion cylinder and 5% armor from trees, while maintaining 75-80% of the damage output.

 

Best way to resolve the AP hybrid tanks situation, is tie rebounder (both reduction to shield CD and the rebounder shield) to HEGC. And/or tie the 30% aoe reduction to HECG. This way, AP tanks loses a lot of mitigation.

 

Pyro needs a low CD DCD. Degauss does not fulfill this role. It is too RNG based on such a low chance.

 

There is no reason to do the same mistake BW made at 2.0, rob Jack to give John. Instead of trying to take from AP and give pyro, pyro needs to be provided its own DCDs. AP tank hybrid is not working as intended as there should be no such thing as dps spec being able to tank effectively in dps gear. A change need to occur to prevent AP from running in ion cylinder, that is not linking PFT to HECG, because that would kill the hybrid dps in PvE, which is the highest parsing and runs pyro/AP hybrid.

 

A buff to pyro is needed and I do not mind BW killing the AP hybrid tank. However, the changes should not come at AP dps expense. Again, AP as dps is defiantly strong, but not OP. There is no reason to nerf them.

Edited November 27, 2013 by Ottoattack

[Kooziejr]

I have to agree with the post. The 30% damage reduction while stunned should go

to the pyro tree somewhere (that or the AOE damage reduction). the two should be split because together they are a bit over the top.

 

What makes it over the top is the fact that it's passive. It doesn't take any skill or intelligence to get such a massive benefit. At least for undying rage, you have to click a button.

 

I would let AP keep rebounder, because that and kolto overload with automated defenses would be ridiculously overpowered.

 

Pyro needs no more love. The spec is easy mode offence and should get NO PASSIVE DEFENCE whatsoever. Pyro is an anti dot spec. AP is anti AOE spec. They are different and do not need changing. I feel equally well armoured and pull the same dps for both. However, the skill required for pyro is just next to none. 2 button noob rotation.

Edited November 28, 2013 by Kooziejr

[ScytheEleven]

Pyro needs no more love. The spec is easy mode offence and should get NO PASSIVE DEFENCE whatsoever. Pyro is an anti dot spec. AP is anti AOE spec. They are different and do not need changing. I feel equally well armoured and pull the same dps for both. However, the skill required for pyro is just next to none. 2 button noob rotation.

 

This (to an extent). How many DoT classes do you see getting a 30% AoE reduction? Off the top of my head, I can't think of one. Lethality/DF gets a DoT damage reduction, same as Assault/Pyro. Typically, AoE heavy classes get some sort of AoE defense...just like DoT classes get some sort of DoT defense.

 

AP/Tactics is in a GREAT spot right now and is a blast to play in PVP. Don't go ruining it for those of us that love it. If you want to tie certain talents to HEGC to prevent Ion Cell AP users, doesn't bother me.

Edited November 28, 2013 by ScytheEleven

[Brunner_Venda]

Pyro needs no more love. The spec is easy mode offence and should get NO PASSIVE DEFENCE whatsoever. Pyro is an anti dot spec. AP is anti AOE spec. They are different and do not need changing. I feel equally well armoured and pull the same dps for both. However, the skill required for pyro is just next to none. 2 button noob rotation.

 

Oh no, not another 'pyro is easy, AP is hard' thread. I used to think the same thing, until I really spent some quality loving time with pyro.

 

With AP, your defenses are all passive, all you have to do is run in, and hit your attacks in a certain sequence. Use flamethrower when the stacks are up. Sometimes, hit shield if someone attacks you. AOE is a joke to you, and stunning you is better than using shields.

 

With pyro, your attacks can be used out of sequence (all six or so that you need) but you REALLY need to be good on the stuns and defensive cooldowns to stay alive. That means using the right ones at the right time, and every tool at your disposal (shields, kolto, chaff, electro-dart, grenades, adrenals, carbonize, etc). Pyro is squishy if you just stand there.

 

So, I have respect for both.

[Kooziejr]

Oh no, not another 'pyro is easy, AP is hard' thread. I used to think the same thing, until I really spent some quality loving time with pyro.

 

With AP, your defenses are all passive, all you have to do is run in, and hit your attacks in a certain sequence. Use flamethrower when the stacks are up. Sometimes, hit shield if someone attacks you. AOE is a joke to you, and stunning you is better than using shields.

 

With pyro, your attacks can be used out of sequence (all six or so that you need) but you REALLY need to be good on the stuns and defensive cooldowns to stay alive. That means using the right ones at the right time, and every tool at your disposal (shields, kolto, chaff, electro-dart, grenades, adrenals, carbonize, etc). Pyro is squishy if you just stand there.

 

So, I have respect for both.

 

For the most part it is flame burst rail shot. Neither are easy. But the offence is pyro is much easier than AP and the burst is significantly higher without using cooldowns. On the other hand, AP offence is much harder but use of defensive cooldowns is probably a fair bit easier because of the passive nature. Let's not try and make Pyro OP again because it will get nerfed into the ground...it is in a good place! Trust me I play pyro too and love it (will post a video later today to show I am not just a bad pyro having a QQ). Just don't think there needs to be any changes made to either of the DPS specs at the point in time as they are self sufficient. The tank hybrid Is a joke. The way to fix it is simple. Put ION gas stance 4th row up the tree. so you can't get AOE damage reduction - would suck at low levels (less than 25) but who cares about lowbies.

 

I agree that pyro is "squishier" in some senses. But you get the freedom of extra range with low cooldown on Railshot and 10m abilities. It should and will never get an AOE dmg reduction or stun reduction because it isn't an AOE/heavy melee class. Don't forget pyro does heal on AOE damage taken. with 30k health when you get smashed or take ANY AOE damage you heal for 800 or so. So you already have an AOE damage reduction as pyro. (granted other PT specs get this too but it already has passive AOE defence).

 

Let us not forget you get a perma 40% slow with a 10 metre ability (APs slow is a 4m ability hence it being a heavy melee class). If you get an AOE dmg reduction that ability by default would be removed from flame burst and put to rocket punch every 9 seconds or something stupid like that. Be careful what you wish for because it will come back and bite you in the arse.

 

Starting to see my point?

Edited November 29, 2013 by Kooziejr

[KainrycKarr]

As someone who spent the first year and a half playing AP when it was terrible, can ya'll please leave my spec alone? AP is finally nice and viable and now ya'll wanna go messin' with it.

 

But seriously, just tie more things to HEGC. It keeps coming down to some variation of AP Hybrid being over the top. Granted, this variation isn't *that* over the top compared to previous hybrids and the original Pyro spec.

 

Just tie the flamethrower buff and energy rebounder or the 30% while stunned/AoE to HEGC. It's the simplest solution to the hybrid.

 

Remember, the more you try to balance around the hybrids, the more you hurt the guys like me who just wanna play the full spec.

[Ottoattack]

Going back to Pyro easy argument, how easy/difficult a spec has absolutely no impact on its performance and should not. I don't play AP, because its easy, its not, I play it because it is effective. We all played pyro pre 2.0 because it was effective. TBH, how complicated is AP compared to pyro? it is just positioning of PFT. Spec easiness of play and effectiveness are not correlated, neither is player reference, so lets drop AP is "hard" and pyro is "easy" argument. It does not work.

 

For the damage output. While pyro has decent output, AP is way more effective. The aoe pressure from PFT and the damage SC offers are light years ahead of anything pyro offers. Add to that, pyro over reliance on RNG crossing your fingers for critics and RS proc, not to mention over reliance on dots that are easily removable, and will need 2-3 globals to be reapplied. You have aoe damage spec with strong off the aoe damage, and a spec that is a dot spec with RNG reliance for any burst.

 

Pyro needs either more damage or more DCDs to be comparable.

[Kooziejr]

Going back to Pyro easy argument, how easy/difficult a spec has absolutely no impact on its performance and should not. I don't play AP, because its easy, its not, I play it because it is effective. We all played pyro pre 2.0 because it was effective. TBH, how complicated is AP compared to pyro? it is just positioning of PFT. Spec easiness of play and effectiveness are not correlated, neither is player reference, so lets drop AP is "hard" and pyro is "easy" argument. It does not work.

 

For the damage output. While pyro has decent output, AP is way more effective. The aoe pressure from PFT and the damage SC offers are light years ahead of anything pyro offers. Add to that, pyro over reliance on RNG crossing your fingers for critics and RS proc, not to mention over reliance on dots that are easily removable, and will need 2-3 globals to be reapplied. You have aoe damage spec with strong off the aoe damage, and a spec that is a dot spec with RNG reliance for any burst.

 

Pyro needs either more damage or more DCDs to be comparable.

 

Pyrotech is just as effective when used by a good player as AP just as carnage is just as effective as smash.

 

Well bad luck that you want more Defensives or Offensives because they are not coming. I lobbied hard for Pyro to be buffed even though I prefer AP but it is in a good place atm and you are just going to get nerfed into the ground again if you get buffed anymore. I ran my first few ranked games in Pyro today since season 1 started and beat top teams on our server.....Definitely agree with mega about chaff flare needing something done (maybe 35% chance up 10%)? Not sure.

 

Also, agree with other comment. Tie AOE + Stun reduction to HEGC.

[Megatfx]

I don't think it's fair to say "buffs aren't coming". If we ask for it enough, things will happen, albeit slow but they will. If we were buffed defensive wise Pyro would be in a much better place. Right now as AP you can essentially facetank as a DPS due to the passive damage reduction and the Energy Rebounder.

 

Chaff flare is in no way a comparison to the defensive abilities as AP. It's actually 25% not 10%, but you can hardly tell the difference one way or the other. You pop it and roll the dice.

 

Otto is right, there is NO skill difference in either AP or Pyro. Both are just as easy to play just like every spec in this game is easy to play, except one is more effective than the other in most team comps. I can queue Pyro as well in 4v4's and beat bad teams with our eyes closed but when I'm being targeted by good double smashes eating 8k's we have to do some serious outplaying.

 

You simply saying "Pyro is strong in a good players hands like Carnage is strong in a good players hands" is not a valid because it's not just YOUR hands that makes it effective in a team comp, it is your TEAMMATES as well who have to carry the extra damage you take playing Pyro over AP. Like you, they have to be far more aware of you as a squishy DPS vice an AP Powertech and have to play around you. Hence why AP, Smash, AP Tank, and Op healer is a very universally strong comp because you can generally throw 4 random people together and they won't do awful. Wheras you have to throw great healers, tanks, and DPS to partner with a Pyro. I play Pyro as my primary spec, it is my preferred spec, I only play AP when I'm needed too. I have only done 18 games in 4v4 over the course of 2 days since this patch and most of them where in one night running double pyro PT (For fun) and had a 60% w/l in our funsie comp. We're picking back up early december to run pyro, ap tank, carnage and op healer as our primary comp.

Edited November 29, 2013 by Megatfx

[Kooziejr]

I don't think it's fair to say "buffs aren't coming". If we ask for it enough, things will happen, albeit slow but they will. If we were buffed defensive wise Pyro would be in a much better place. Right now as AP you can essentially facetank as a DPS due to the passive damage reduction and the Energy Rebounder.

 

Chaff flare is in no way a comparison to the defensive abilities as AP. It's actually 25% not 10%, but you can hardly tell the difference one way or the other. You pop it and roll the dice.

 

Otto is right, there is NO skill difference in either AP or Pyro. Both are just as easy to play just like every spec in this game is easy to play, except one is more effective than the other in most team comps. I can queue Pyro as well in 4v4's and beat bad teams with our eyes closed but when I'm being targeted by good double smashes eating 8k's we have to do some serious outplaying.

 

You simply saying "Pyro is strong in a good players hands like Carnage is strong in a good players hands" is not a valid because it's not just YOUR hands that makes it effective in a team comp, it is your TEAMMATES as well who have to carry the extra damage you take playing Pyro over AP. Like you, they have to be far more aware of you as a squishy DPS vice an AP Powertech and have to play around you. Hence why AP, Smash, AP Tank, and Op healer is a very universally strong comp because you can generally throw 4 random people together and they won't do awful. Wheras you have to throw great healers, tanks, and DPS to partner with a Pyro. I play Pyro as my primary spec, it is my preferred spec, I only play AP when I'm needed too. I have only done 18 games in 4v4 over the course of 2 days since this patch and most of them where in one night running double pyro PT (For fun) and had a 60% w/l in our funsie comp. We're picking back up early december to run pyro, ap tank, carnage and op healer as our primary comp.

 

I meant buff it by 10% up to 35%. I didn't say it was 10% defense chance.

 

Pyro isn't squishy vs lethality and madness but AP is much squishier. Further it is harder to kill a pyro when they are low because of kolto. I truly don't think they need a defensive buff. Yes no doubt Pyro is inferior in almost every way to AP when you face smash. But that is the only class. Not everyone rolls smash anymore because they get creamed by other classes in high end. You cannot face tank in AP you melt if someone opens up on you with direct damage and you don't get a get out of jail free card in kolto overload every 30-40 seconds. Buffing pyro will make it OP and I don't want something that can railshot everything for 8k that actually gives them more resource and is useable every 6 seconds to be unkillable. Everyone will play it and the skill cap decreased dramatically.

 

I stand by my comment. Defensive buffs are not coming to Pyro anytime soon so you are wasting your breath.

 

You run a carnage mara and pyro (I assume you guys tunnel the hybrid tank?) In any case you can't do that as effectively in AP as you can in Pyro either. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Stop focusing on the negatives of pyro and wanting it to be a god mode insane killing machine and just accept what it is.

[Megatfx]

I meant buff it by 10% up to 35%. I didn't say it was 10% defense chance.

 

Pyro isn't squishy vs lethality and madness but AP is much squishier. Further it is harder to kill a pyro when they are low because of kolto. I truly don't think they need a defensive buff. Yes no doubt Pyro is inferior in almost every way to AP when you face smash. But that is the only class. Not everyone rolls smash anymore because they get creamed by other classes in high end. You cannot face tank in AP you melt if someone opens up on you with direct damage and you don't get a get out of jail free card in kolto overload every 30-40 seconds. Buffing pyro will make it OP and I don't want something that can railshot everything for 8k that actually gives them more resource and is useable every 6 seconds to be unkillable. Everyone will play it and the skill cap decreased dramatically.

 

I stand by my comment. Defensive buffs are not coming to Pyro anytime soon so you are wasting your breath.

 

You run a carnage mara and pyro (I assume you guys tunnel the hybrid tank?) In any case you can't do that as effectively in AP as you can in Pyro either. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Stop focusing on the negatives of pyro and wanting it to be a god mode insane killing machine and just accept what it is.

 

No we split, I'm on the healer, the carnage and ap is on the tank. (AP and mara peel if they try to go yolo on the healer) When we get the tank low from him taking carnage/ap DPS and guard damage from me with the healer unable to cast me and the AP rotate 4 second stuns on the healer to finish the tank off. (or the healer depends on who he prioritizes the heals on). we're gonna be back in the 4v4 scene on the 2nd of december, haven't played since the day before 2.4

 

how do you know that defensive buffs? look man, i'm sorry but unless you are a developer i hardly believe anything you say when it comes to the designing of the class. i can say "Defensive buffs are coming to Pyro, telling me they're not is wasting your breath". does that make my statement any more valid? i don't want pyro to be an unstoppable killing machine but AP's defensives and Pyro's defensives aren't on the same level. My flame suit works on... lethality and madness... great... Railshot is not critting for 8k in 4v4's, 7k's sure, i get the odd one in warzones but those obviously don't count.

 

Buffing pyro will make it OP and I don't want something that can railshot everything for 8k that actually gives them more resource and is useable every 6 seconds to be unkillable. Everyone will play it and the skill cap decreased dramatically.

 

What you just described is exactly what happened to AP. AP doesn't overheat unless you're awful with your rotation and as a DPS class is unkillable in comparison to most classes. probably the second best defensive cd's in the game. AP has incredible burst during their shoulder cannon cycle, and flamethrowers on 3 people that crit for 3-5k (3 ticks) that snare for 90% is the strongest DPS ability in the game.

 

Lets be serious, the skillcap for AP is too low, everyone is playing it because it's too easy. I have Energy Rebounder up anytime I really need it, I can tank AoE, I never get stunned because people know that if I get stunned I take ****** damage and the rotation is 1...2...3...4...5...1...2...3...4...5... it's not as burst heavy, but it puts out overwhelming pressure when you get flamethrowers going on multiple targets.

 

what makes the pyro dps rotation fun is because of the railshot reset procs. same reason why carnage is a more fun spec to play for marauder.

Edited December 1, 2013 by Megatfx

[KainrycKarr]

No we split, I'm on the healer, the carnage and ap is on the tank. (AP and mara peel if they try to go yolo on the healer) When we get the tank low from him taking carnage/ap DPS and guard damage from me with the healer unable to cast me and the AP rotate 4 second stuns on the healer to finish the tank off. (or the healer depends on who he prioritizes the heals on). we're gonna be back in the 4v4 scene on the 2nd of december, haven't played since the day before 2.4

 

how do you know that defensive buffs? look man, i'm sorry but unless you are a developer i hardly believe anything you say when it comes to the designing of the class. i can say "Defensive buffs are coming to Pyro, telling me they're not is wasting your breath". does that make my statement any more valid? i don't want pyro to be an unstoppable killing machine but AP's defensives and Pyro's defensives aren't on the same level. My flame suit works on... lethality and madness... great... Railshot is not critting for 8k in 4v4's, 7k's sure, i get the odd one in warzones but those obviously don't count.

 

 

 

What you just described is exactly what happened to AP. AP doesn't overheat unless you're awful with your rotation and as a DPS class is unkillable in comparison to most classes. probably the second best defensive cd's in the game. AP has incredible burst during their shoulder cannon cycle, and flamethrowers on 3 people that crit for 3-5k (3 ticks) that snare for 90% is the strongest DPS ability in the game.

 

Lets be serious, the skillcap for AP is too low, everyone is playing it because it's too easy. I have Energy Rebounder up anytime I really need it, I can tank AoE, I never get stunned because people know that if I get stunned I take ****** damage and the rotation is 1...2...3...4...5...1...2...3...4...5... it's not as burst heavy, but it puts out overwhelming pressure when you get flamethrowers going on multiple targets.

 

what makes the pyro dps rotation fun is because of the railshot reset procs. same reason why carnage is a more fun spec to play for marauder.

 

AP is not overpowered and is hardly unkillable.

 

Kolto makes pyro damn near unkillable for it's duration...that's about as good a DCD as it gets.

 

Sorry, but pyro and AP are both in a really good spot right now and if either spec keeps asking for more, it's gonna turn into exactly what Koozie mentioned; we'll get nerfed.

 

Just tie the defensives in AP tree to HEGC, problem solved.

Edited December 1, 2013 by KainrycKarr

[Kooziejr]

AP is not overpowered and is hardly unkillable.

 

Kolto makes pyro damn near unkillable for it's duration...that's about as good a DCD as it gets.

 

Sorry, but pyro and AP are both in a really good spot right now and if either spec keeps asking for more, it's gonna turn into exactly what Koozie mentioned; we'll get nerfed.

 

Just tie the defensives in AP tree to HEGC, problem solved.

 

Have to agree with this. AP is squishy as in 4 v 4 with a carnage mara on you. got killed by a 9.2k vicious throw last night with kolto running. Can't happen to a pyro. Different but balanced. Im sure they will change pyro at some stage. but it will not be any time soon because its not broken.

[Kooziejr]

 

What you just described is exactly what happened to AP. AP doesn't overheat unless you're awful with your rotation and as a DPS class is unkillable in comparison to most classes. probably the second best defensive cd's in the game. AP has incredible burst during their shoulder cannon cycle, and flamethrowers on 3 people that crit for 3-5k (3 ticks) that snare for 90% is the strongest DPS ability in the game.

 

 

what makes the pyro dps rotation fun is because of the railshot reset procs. same reason why carnage is a more fun spec to play for marauder.

 

Every class is easy to you and me but not to people who don't take the game so seriously. All classes are a 1 2 3 1 2 3 rotation. Its just doing it properly that counts. The only things that need attention atm are scoundrel DPS, Merc and Sorc healers and probably lightening sorcs (mobility wise). I prefer these true problems be addressed first so we can see where we lie. Would also like to see a buff to Juggernaut get a 10% AoE reduction or something of the sought. I want to see more classes and specs in ranked. Not just Pyros, Maras, APs, Snipers

[Zunayson]

Pyros are just butthurt. They're using the hybrid as an excuse to nerf AP to rebuff Pyro.

 

AP has gotten hardly any easier to play since 2.4. AP is a lot more difficult than Pyro to do mediocrely well ( as far as max output goes is debatable)

 

I've played AP since launch. Finally we get to shine, and everyone wants to take it away from us D:

[KainrycKarr]

Pyros are just butthurt. They're using the hybrid as an excuse to nerf AP to rebuff Pyro.

 

AP has gotten hardly any easier to play since 2.4. AP is a lot more difficult than Pyro to do mediocrely well ( as far as max output goes is debatable)

 

I've played AP since launch. Finally we get to shine, and everyone wants to take it away from us D:

 

Kinda feel that way myself.