Cinnagar Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I noticed that Sins/Shadows do this reliably - is their overload ability? Or their taunt/pull they get? Can anyone contribute other classes and their abilities that can knock me out of entrench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipZep Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Well, it happens. Its not something a shadow or any other class with knockback can do on purpose. I guess its partially due to lag on server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnagar Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 Well, it happens. Its not something a shadow or any other class with knockback can do on purpose. I guess its partially due to lag on server. No, if it was a lag issue I wouldn't have made a thread. I was playing MM in a 4v4. Decided to try Entrench + SP as I was being focused (they had 2 shadows, 1 vanguard tank. The shadows were on me - in retrospect, I should have dropped orbital on my head too). Entrench's CD activates as soon as you hit the button. I was knocked out of entrench, glanced at the spell, and saw the CD tick down to 37s. This happened once before last night. As lethality in a voidstar wz, to defend a bomb I hit entrench and started casting orbital. I never finished the cast: a sin knocked me out of entrench after my cast reached the 2s mark. I'm just posting to find out if any one else has experienced other classes deliberately/reliably doing it. I want to know in what situations it isn't safe to just pop entrench and wait it out/cast orbital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipZep Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 as i said, it happens, but I assure you, the shadows are not doing it on purpose. Its luck/badluck. Its like when our tech abilties hit shadows through shroud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_biochem Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 they had 2 shadows, 1 vanguard tank Was there a gunslinger on the opposing team? If you had been hit by Diversion, that would allow the shadows/vanguard to knock you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGNMTTRN Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 You don't gain immunity to physics as soon as you push the Entrench button. It takes a few milliseconds to activate. That you saw its cooldown of 37 seconds is strange... Presuming no lag/'hacking' and that you checked the ability's cooldown as soon as you got knocked back, it probably was a cover-breaking mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnagar Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 You don't gain immunity to physics as soon as you push the Entrench button. It takes a few milliseconds to activate. That you saw its cooldown of 37 seconds is strange... Presuming no lag/'hacking' and that you checked the ability's cooldown as soon as you got knocked back, it probably was a cover-breaking mechanic. Maybe there is a chance for it to fail? I'm accustomed to lag affecting how abilities work, regarding whether or not something is "in the air" already. In the arena the other team was 2 shadows, vanguard tank, scoundrel healer. None of them have a cover breaking mechanic afaik. As one of the above posters said, tech abilities hit sins through shroud (but I always believed this to be a lag issue - or they hit shroud when the ability was "in the air"). I felt pretty sure that the Shadow in the arena did it with the knowledge that he was knocking me out of cover. I'll have to find one and duel him, asking him to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plicitous Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) This is definitely an issue and most likely a bug. To the best of my recollection, it started with the release of 2.4 and since there's a very similar mega-knockback mechanic in the Draxus fight that also ignores Entrench I suspect they're related. Entrench is supposed to grant immunity to this type of crap and yet that's clearly not the case. Assassins/Shadows are already our hard counter, this ability just makes it a ridiculous match-up and makes the TTK issues that plague PVP even worse. Edited November 2, 2013 by Plicitous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svii Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Devs have stated that Shroud has a 5% chance to fail, even if it grants 200% immunity to force/tech. If the did something similar to Entrench I'll be very mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkiestj Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 As one of the above posters said, tech abilities hit sins through shroud (but I always believed this to be a lag issue - or they hit shroud when the ability was "in the air"). TANGENT: I personally did an experiment to verify that shadow/assassins are hit (e.g. stunned) through shroud 5% of the time. I did something like 60 trials dueling with my and my wifes toons (computer's side by side, I controlled both). This is not a lag issue. BW has confirmed this behavior and said they wish it was otherwise but it is too hard to fix. I felt pretty sure that the Shadow in the arena did it with the knowledge that he was knocking me out of cover. I'll have to find one and duel him, asking him to try. combat logging is your friend. Turn on combat logging then upload the log later to torparse.com (or some other) and see if there was a diversion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallerup Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Submitted a bug report 5 minutes ago: during "Seeds of Dread" mission on Oricon, the Corrupted Elder Subtheroth managed to knock me out of cover with Entrench active. please for the love of god fix this. Entrench is suppose to make you immune to push backs, interrupts and everything, it's currently **** as it doesn't do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) PVE mobs often ignore immunities but bug reports wont be read here. Edited December 7, 2015 by Gyronamics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilk Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) It happens for the same reason you can be knocked back with hydraulic overrides up as a powertech. Games just buggy. Edited December 8, 2015 by Devilk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlrikFassbauer Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Or NPCs still have abilities that were erased for player characters long ago ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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