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I'm in need of some help from some tech wizzies advice on graphic cards, cpu, and processor's and etc. I'm not the greatest on computer spec's i know the basic's but not the in-depth like other people. Also i do not have the best computer either, which i know so i dont need that pointed out :) ..So here is my DxDiag, it's a basic computer that does what i need it to do in SWTOR, but i want to build my own computer from scratch.

 

achine name:

Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333)

Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer: LENOVO

System Model: IdeaCentre K410

BIOS: LENOVO BIOS Rev: ECKT18A 0.0

Processor: Intel® Pentium® CPU G640 @ 2.80GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.8GHz

Memory: 4096MB RAM

Available OS Memory: 4058MB RAM

Page File: 3649MB used, 4466MB available

Windows Dir: C:\Windows

DirectX Version: DirectX 11

DX Setup Parameters: Not found

User DPI Setting: Using System DPI

System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)

DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled

DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

 

Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GT 620

Manufacturer: NVIDIA

Chip type: GeForce GT 620

DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC

Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0F01&SUBSYS_099010DE&REV_A1

Display Memory: 3772 MB

Dedicated Memory: 1999 MB

Shared Memory: 1773 MB

Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)

Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor

Monitor Model: E221-A1

Monitor Id: VIZ0098

Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)

Output Type: HD15

Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um

Driver File Version: 9.18.0013.1106 (English)

Driver Version: 9.18.13.1106

DDI Version: 11

Driver Model: WDDM 1.1

Driver Attributes: Final Retail

Driver Date/Size: 2/26/2013 00:32:38, 18055184 bytes

WHQL Logo'd: n/a

WHQL Date Stamp: n/a

Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4C41-11CF-3C77-9D291CC2C435}

Vendor ID: 0x10DE

Device ID: 0x0F01

SubSys ID: 0x099010DE

Revision ID: 0x00A1

Driver Strong Name: oem116.inf:NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6.1:Section022:9.18.13.1106ci\ven_10de&dev_0f01

Rank Of Driver: 00E02001

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D3D9 Overlay: Supported

DXVA-HD: Supported

DDraw Status: Enabled

D3D Status: Enabled

AGP Status: Enabled

 

 

All i wanna say is yes i picked a lenovo, just cause of the extra HDD for when i wanna transfer my stuff for work related. I know i do not have the best graphic's card but it's acceptable at the moment. I have looked around and thought of using these graphic card & processor.

 

NVIDIA - GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card

Intel - Core i7 3.10 GHz Processor - Socket H2 LGA-1155

 

If i get these do i need to get another power supply to be able to handle the cpu that i am going to put in? is this processor even good enough for like FFXIV since it relies on cpu. I have built a computer that i thought of using and wondering should i just save and buy this -

 

CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-4670K 3.40 GHz 6MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1150 (All Venom OC Certified)

HDD: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)

MEMORY: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)

MOTHERBOARD: [CrossFireX] GIGABYTE Z87-HD3 Intel Z87 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ Ultra Durable 4 Plus, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, 2 PCIe x16 (1 Gen3, 1 Gen2), 2 PCIe x1 & 2 PCI (Pro OC Certified)

SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO

VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card [+184] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/ (the link)

 

Thanks for any help :)

 

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Many folk forget that the power supply - a good one, is critical. So I would look at your second option because you will get more bang for your buck, instead of having a great cpu with the i7 and then reduction in quality of other key components.

 

i5 is a fine processor and there's nothing to stop you over clocking it when you are ready.

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Personally for this game, currently you wont need more than 4GB RAM since it runs off a 32-bit client. If you do other things while playing 8GB is plenty.

I have an i7 Intel quad-core and it does nicely so I'm pretty convinced an i5 would suffice.

A motherboard socket number, for the CPU, and DDR3 compatibility for your RAM is important.

There are faster HHD. I believe they go as fast as 15000 RPM. I personally have a SSD with PCIe interface which has a faster hard drive to RAM transfer speed as well as a higher read and write speed. Some BIOS features include a Maximum Payload size set to 128 by default. I put mine to 4096 to increase packet size.

My graphics card is a GTX 660 ti and I love it, but I need another motherboard that support PCI3.0. Motherboards are backwards compatible, but I'm not using my graphics card to its full potential.

Can't think of anything else atm.

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Yes, YOU WILL NEED A POWER SUPPLY just because GT660 Ti uses 2 PCi-E connectors besides the fact that GTX660 Ti uses a lot more power than a GT620. Also, i-series Intel CPU also take up a good chunk of power.

 

Corsair TX750 will serve you well - http://www.corsair.com/tx750w.html

 

I use Corsair TX650 on GTX560 and it's an excellent power supply unit. You can check some reviews too.

 

Also, if your old PC is using Intel Pentium, then the motherboard is incompatible with Core series, so you need to change it. You would also be using DDR2 RAM with it and you need to change it to DDR3 (not mandatory but creates a big difference and they are cheap) when you get your new motherboard. For a single monitor GTX660 Ti will be more than enough. It's a pretty powerful GPU for a single monitor setup (assuming that's what you are building).

 

And like already said, you should get an i5 instead of an i7. The price difference is quite big but the performance won't matter on a single monitor setup.

 

Basically, you need to change the entirety of your PC except the Hard drive (and that too if it's below 7200rpm because let's face it, HDD speeds matter too when you are aiming for top performance. I would even recommend getting a small SSD for your system files but that's up to you) and your CD/DVD drive. So, if you are up for it you can get some advises and do it yourself or buy the premade one. Be warned though, premade ones will be expensive than their equivalent parts combined. If you have some questions or need help building your PC, PM me and i will be glad to help :)

 

As for the question of FFXIV, i get better FPS in FFXIV than i get in SWTOR on my i5-2500K and a single GTX560 although that will change when DX11 version of FFXIV releases (along with the PS4 version) but i left the game already so i don't care about it.

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Personally for this game, currently you wont need more than 4GB RAM since it runs off a 32-bit client.

 

This is totally wrong.

 

A 32-bit application in a 32-bit operating system cannot access more than ~3.4GB of memory. However, 64-bit operating systems can access 64GB+ (depending on your OS/version). When a 64-bit OS runs a 32-bit application, the 32-bit application is limited to 2GB (usually) of resident space. However, there is no limitation that says all 32-bit applications must fit into the same ~3.4GB container that they would use on a 32-bit operating system. A 64-bit operating system is free to allocate those processes wherever it likes. Since SWTOR runs in two processes, that means you can have 2 x 2GB processes running independently, plus the rest of your apps, plus the normal OS memory load and have them all add up well beyond 4GB.

 

Looking at my memory load, I'd say that 8GB is an ideal memory size. I have 16GB, but I rarely see SWTOR, Thunderbird, Firefox, Chrome, IDEA, and a few PuTTY sessions use up 8GB. I'd guess that few people run that many apps while playing. At the same time, SWTORs processes often approach their 2GB limits, so using just 4GB would mean they would be slightly starved for physical RAM.

 

TL;DR: Memory management doesn't work that way. 8GB is ideal.

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Corsair TX750 will serve you well - http://www.corsair.com/tx750w.html

 

That's a great power supply, but the OP could see if they can save a bit of money by sizing it down a bit.

 

I run an overclocked i7 and a 660Ti (also factory overclocked). The power usage of that system while playing a game, along with the monitor and a Linux server is jjust 370W at the wall socket. The 660 Ti does need more power than the 620, but its far less hungry than the electron-guzzling 400 series.

 

The specs for the 660 Ti suggest a TDP of 150W. The CPU is going to have a TDP of 100W or so. Both of those are TDP numbers, not actual power draw numbers. I'd expect the normal gaming power load to be somewhere around 200-250W depending on other equipment in the case. My system runs at 230W (wall) when standing around in SWTOR.

 

End result: A good (non-cheap, non-crappy) 500W power supply will work just fine. A good quality (Seasonic, Corsair, Enermax, ...) PSU at 500W will have more than enough wattage to handle the 660 TI. Since you're only using 250W, that also means you'll be more likely to be in the best part of the power-efficiency curve on the 500W. In the 750W, you'll never reach the 50% sweet spot, and you'll spend most of the time in a usage zone where the PSU isn't nearly as efficient.

 

And you should be able to shave a decent chunk of money off by going with the 500W.

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That's a great power supply, but the OP could see if they can save a bit of money by sizing it down a bit.

 

I run an overclocked i7 and a 660Ti (also factory overclocked). The power usage of that system while playing a game, along with the monitor and a Linux server is jjust 370W at the wall socket. The 660 Ti does need more power than the 620, but its far less hungry than the electron-guzzling 400 series.

 

The specs for the 660 Ti suggest a TDP of 150W. The CPU is going to have a TDP of 100W or so. Both of those are TDP numbers, not actual power draw numbers. I'd expect the normal gaming power load to be somewhere around 200-250W depending on other equipment in the case. My system runs at 230W (wall) when standing around in SWTOR.

 

End result: A good (non-cheap, non-crappy) 500W power supply will work just fine. A good quality (Seasonic, Corsair, Enermax, ...) PSU at 500W will have more than enough wattage to handle the 660 TI. Since you're only using 250W, that also means you'll be more likely to be in the best part of the power-efficiency curve on the 500W. In the 750W, you'll never reach the 50% sweet spot, and you'll spend most of the time in a usage zone where the PSU isn't nearly as efficient.

 

And you should be able to shave a decent chunk of money off by going with the 500W.

 

I wouldn't recommend a 500W supply at all. Most PSUs have an efficiency of around 80% which brings it down to 400W. I haven't done a proper TDP calculation in ages of modern GPUs but 400W seems a bit less to me. Also, most 500W PSUs won't have the dual PCi-E power connector required for the 660Ti afaik.

 

TX750 was overkill but maybe he can go for TX650 then which i use myself. It's very reasonable too in terms of price.

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Op, I would recommend a 7970. They are going for dirt cheap right now and you can find them at retail for around $275-300. Nothing will beat it at that price.

 

Yes, Also, if your old PC is using Intel Pentium, then the motherboard is incompatible with Core series, so you need to change it. You would also be using DDR2 RAM with it and you need to change it.

 

?

 

He has an 1155 board... His CPU is a Sandy Bridge. It is not incompatible with Sandy/Ivy Bridge i3/i5/i7.....

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I wouldn't recommend a 500W supply at all. Most PSUs have an efficiency of around 80% which brings it down to 400W.

 

That's not how wattages are calculated. PSU wattages (according to ATX spec) are the wattages delivered on the connectors. So, a 500W PSU (to be in spec) needs to have the sum of its available wattages across all rails meet or exceed 500W. Efficiency, then, is the ratio of what is delivered to what is pulled from the wall. A 500W PSU with 80% efficiency running at 100% load is delivering 500W of power to components, but pulling 625W from the wall and releasing 125W as heat.

 

Also: most good PSUs have efficiencies that peak well above 80%. However, the efficiency is not a flat line. My PSU has an efficiency of 90% at ~120W, 92% at ~240W (my target wattage), but just 89% at 650W. That PSU is known for its flat efficiency. Many PSUs will vary from 75% to 92% depending on load.

 

I haven't done a proper TDP calculation in ages of modern GPUs but 400W seems a bit less to me.

 

Again, I have an i7 with a 660 Ti. The wall socket wattage is about 250W for the whole system. At 90% efficiency, that means the system (while playing SWTOR) is pulling just 225W.

 

Also, most 500W PSUs won't have the dual PCi-E power connector required for the 660Ti afaik.

 

The grand majority of good, modern PSU above 400W will have those connectors. Here's one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And this one. And here's a crappy Rosewill that even has the connectors. In fact, I'm having a hard time finding a PSU at 450-500W from a respected manufacturer that doesn't have them. The PCIe-6pin connectors are pretty much standard now. Any PSU aimed at a market segment higher than STBs should have them. Eight years ago, it wasn't the case. It is now.

 

Ah, here's one that doesn't. Fractal design has been making okay PSUs. Good for a budget. This one only has one PCI-6pin, though.

 

TX750 was overkill but maybe he can go for TX650 then which i use myself. It's very reasonable too in terms of price.

 

The TX650 is $80. The CX500 is $50. Of course, I still like the Seasonic S12II 620 at $65 (same price for the 520, so...).

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Thanks ya'll for the info. I'm looking around for a 550W power supply and seeing if i can find a i5 processor. I am also looking at the http://www.corsair.com/tx750w.html which i may lean towards if i am going to need a liable power supply. For SWTOR i never have a problem with the basic computer, since it's not truly needed unless i really wanna have everything on high settings. I was asking personally cause i am starting to play FFXIV i see that i need to upgrade and probably future upgrade for SWTOR depending on what they do.

If anyone else has any advice send them this way :) im happy to listen to anyone to make sure i get everyhing i need.

 

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If he gets that Haswell CPU and 670 his power consumption for games will probably be in the range of 300w+.

 

Here is a chart showing total system power for loaded performance. The 670 on an i7 3960 test bench is using just 247W. From what I've seen, the Haswell CPUs usually use less power than the Sandy-E series (example). It's not a lot less, but its certainly not more.

 

If he overclocks it (which I assume was the point of listing the "K") then that power consumption will of course jump further. I wouldn't touch anything below 600w.

 

If he overclocks it with a significant voltage rise, his power requirements would go up. However, even a rather extreme overclock based on a voltage rise will normally only add 40-80W. A moderate overclock which doesn't use any voltage adjustments will usually add less than 40W.

 

Even if he decides to go for an extreme overclock, he won't get much further than 350W. People seem to be stuck in the Core2/GTX-8800 days where you could actually need a 800W power supply to run a quad-core and a pair of gaming video cards. Over the last few years, power requirements have actually been dropping.

 

Yet again: I am running a system very close to what the OP is suggesting. I have my CPU overclocked to 4.5GHz. I have a factory overcloced 660 Ti. My wall socket wattage is 250W. That's not from a calculator, or from adding TDPs and adjusting percentages. That is a wattage meter on a UPS plugged into the wall. The OPs CPU will not be significantly more power hungry than mine. His video card won't be any hungrier than mine.

 

TL;DR: Modern computer systems use less power than most people realize.

 

NOTE: Also, if he plans to do any major overclocking (meaning: anything requiring voltage modification), much of our PSU talk goes out the window, as he'll need to look specifically for a PSU with low ripple and other good overclocking characteristics.

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Thanks ya'll for the info. I'm looking around for a 550W power supply and seeing if i can find a i5 processor. I am also looking at the http://www.corsair.com/tx750w.html which i may lean towards if i am going to need a liable power supply. For SWTOR i never have a problem with the basic computer, since it's not truly needed unless i really wanna have everything on high settings. I was asking personally cause i am starting to play FFXIV i see that i need to upgrade and probably future upgrade for SWTOR depending on what they do.

If anyone else has any advice send them this way :) im happy to listen to anyone to make sure i get everyhing i need.

 

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IMO, that PSU is grossly overrated now. $100~ for a 750w bronze isn't a great deal.

 

You could find an OCZ ZX 850w gold for $100-125 probably or a PCP&C MKIII 750W gold for $100-125. Both of which are modular. Alternately the Seasonic G series are great if you can find a good price.

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Here is a chart showing total system power for loaded performance. The 670 on an i7 3960 test bench is using just 247W. From what I've seen, the Haswell CPUs usually use less power than the Sandy-E series (example). It's not a lot less, but its certainly not more..

 

3DMark 11 is not a demanding on the entire system as it is more based off the GPU.

 

A better comparison would be this (see the bottom): http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/830?vs=860

 

As you can see on Anadtech's test system, BF3 with a 670 is consuming about 330w.

 

I cannot recall their base system, but an OC'd i5 would most definitely raise the bar on that without question.

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As my previous link shows, a 670 system is already capable of using 330~ watts without any system OC'ing. I stand by recommendation of the Op investing in a 600 or higher wattage PSU.

 

You're free to do that.

 

I'll stand by my wattage meter that says an overclocked 2600K and an overclocked 660 Ti playing SWTOR at high detail @ 60fps draws about 250W from the wall.

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You're free to do that.

 

I'll stand by my wattage meter that says an overclocked 2600K and an overclocked 660 Ti playing SWTOR at high detail @ 60fps draws about 250W from the wall.

 

Well, first of all, SWTOR would be a poor test for power consumption. Both BF3 and Crysis 3 etc consume much more power than SWTOR, and I assume he will be playing other games with his system. Going off SWTOR power usage, even if that is the correct usage for your system, would not be wise.

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This is totally wrong.

 

A 32-bit application in a 32-bit operating system cannot access more than ~3.4GB of memory. However, 64-bit operating systems can access 64GB+ (depending on your OS/version). When a 64-bit OS runs a 32-bit application, the 32-bit application is limited to 2GB (usually) of resident space. However, there is no limitation that says all 32-bit applications must fit into the same ~3.4GB container that they would use on a 32-bit operating system. A 64-bit operating system is free to allocate those processes wherever it likes. Since SWTOR runs in two processes, that means you can have 2 x 2GB processes running independently, plus the rest of your apps, plus the normal OS memory load and have them all add up well beyond 4GB.

 

Looking at my memory load, I'd say that 8GB is an ideal memory size. I have 16GB, but I rarely see SWTOR, Thunderbird, Firefox, Chrome, IDEA, and a few PuTTY sessions use up 8GB. I'd guess that few people run that many apps while playing. At the same time, SWTORs processes often approach their 2GB limits, so using just 4GB would mean they would be slightly starved for physical RAM.

 

TL;DR: Memory management doesn't work that way. 8GB is ideal.

 

Idk what you're talking about being "totally wrong". I said for this game. Yes the SWTOR runs 2 processes and if he's only playing this game, those 2 processes wont need more than 4GB RAM. If he plans on listening to music and/or browsing the internet at the same time, yes he should get 8GB of RAM.

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That's not how wattages are calculated. PSU wattages (according to ATX spec) are the wattages delivered on the connectors. So, a 500W PSU (to be in spec) needs to have the sum of its available wattages across all rails meet or exceed 500W. Efficiency, then, is the ratio of what is delivered to what is pulled from the wall. A 500W PSU with 80% efficiency running at 100% load is delivering 500W of power to components, but pulling 625W from the wall and releasing 125W as heat.

 

Well, like i said it's been ages since i did a TDP calculation so i think you are right on the efficiency calculation because i do recall coming across it that the Wattage specified is the one delivered. However, as many have said i would still suggest him to take up the 650W atleast. There will be lots of Tertiary components which will easily make him reach 400W without any OC.

 

I used to use this

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

for my calculations and it shows 397W after adding some minimum PC tertiary peripherals at 100W. OC'ing will easily make him at 425-450W. A 50W margin is simply not enough.

 

He has an 1155 board... His CPU is a Sandy Bridge. It is not incompatible with Sandy/Ivy Bridge i3/i5/i7.....

 

Yea, i missed that his CPU was specified properly in the dxdiag. G640 is based on Socket 1155 so he can use the Sandy/Ivy bridge CPUs.

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for everyone that has applied i built a pc and wanted to see what ya'll thought of this build. If there are any suggestion's what i need to switch out and etc. Thanks for all the help

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

 

 

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for everyone that has applied i built a pc and wanted to see what ya'll thought of this build. If there are any suggestion's what i need to switch out and etc. Thanks for all the help

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

 

Both of your links for pcpartpicker aren't working man. They just open up a page where we can select parts for a PC i.e. they aren't giving your configuration when opened. You need to give a URL which has your config in it.

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That's better. Here are some notes:

 

Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155:

 

Is there a reason you picked a $230 motherboard? From what I can see, you've got one video card and no other cards worth noting. Why not this motherboard (ASUS P8Z77-V) which is only different from the Sabertooth in a couple less USB ports and no flashy PCB cover? The P8Z77-V is $100 less. You can still do whatever overclocking or cooling-optimization you want on the cheaper card. If you're looking for something that looks cool, however, the Sabertooth is pretty much the best you'll find. I've just never been able to justify the extra $100. Especially when you pick this:

 

CoolMax 600W ATX12V / EPS12V

 

This is a trash PSU. The manufacturer is actually known for selling PSUs that not only fail to match the ATX12V spec, but fail to actually deliver the numbers on their label. I wouldn't advise this PSU for a home office build, much less a gaming build.

 

Now, I don't mean this as an insult to you. Mostly the problem here is that people don't know about PSUs and think shopping for one is like shopping for a gas tank for you car. The better analogy is that the PSU is your transmission. Considering you want to spend $230 for a pretty looking motherboard, it seems strange to pick such a cheap --and frankly ugly-- PSU.

 

That doesn't mean you need to spend $150. What you need for this build is a decent quality 600W power supply (I think you can easily drop to 500W, but other people will say 600W, and the price difference is essentially nothing). A good PSU from Seasonic, Corsair, Enermax or some other good brand will cost only $60-80.

 

Suggestions:

 

Seasonic S12II 620W = $65

Corsair CX600M = $80

Silverstone ST60F-ES = $65

XFX Core Pro 650W = $80

Seasonic SSR-650RM = $100

Corsair CMPSU-650TX = $90

 

There are probably some other options, but that's what I could find in 5 minutes under $100.

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