UncleOst Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 If you're discussing his skills to fight on the Frontlines whilst outnumbered, you are missing the point unless I have read it wrongly. His combat ability means nothing in this discussion. None-the-less, he was the leader of the "Army of Light". He didn't sit back and stare at artwork.. he was of the people, leading the people. Even if you disregard his combat prowess, He was the mortar for the entire jedi forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's totally subjective, and in essence obscure. That was Thrawns pathway for meditation. His intelligence could have stewed while he watched a holo-dancer. Your subscriptions to this premise are beyond hilarious.*is Anyway, its not subjective, its an ability he possessed established by the material he appears in. Perhaps you should take a look at it before making arbitrary assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalonVII Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 None-the-less, he was the leader of the "Army of Light". He didn't sit back and stare at artwork.. he was of the people, leading the people. Even if you disregard his combat prowess, He was the mortar for the entire jedi forces. None the less. Had he been a superior stategist he'd of WON the battle of Ruusan, not kept it going for 2 years and basically wrecking the Army of Light. Do you know how many soldiers and jedi he lost during that 2 years? Thousands. Had it not been a timely arrival by that one Jedi Master who broke Hoth from the darkside, it's quite possible that Hoth would of lost the battle of Ruusan and the Army of Light. No no...that's not good tactical or strategic thinking. He led his men into a meat grinder. No two ways about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleOst Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 You realize he destroyed a New Republic attack group with a single ship by studying the art of the opposing tactician? Also, as an aside. I'm slightly color-blind to dark colors so, while I appreciate you using colored text, perhaps something a bit brighter next time? hehe, Simply viewed as another example of how experience trumped the odds...nothing more. He relied on classic battle formation knowledge, infused with his timed intuition of how he felt his oppoents would engage. I'll admit. Thrawn's approach to art was pretty cool "study time". If your desire to read my words is that great, I'll re-consider on your behalf. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleOst Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 No no...that's not good tactical or strategic thinking. He led his men into a meat grinder. No two ways about it. Hmm, perhaps his opponents were truly that formidable. It's unfair to not reflect on how the force battles were fought at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Hmm, perhaps his opponents were truly that formidable. It's unfair to not reflect on how the force battles were fought at that time.Lord Kaan and his motley crew of Sith "Lords"? Some of which were children? I wouldn't say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalonVII Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Lord Kaan and his motley crew of Sith "Lords"? Some of which were children? I wouldn't say so. ^This. I mean it was a war of attrition, that does not show tactical or strategic brilliance. Given the fact up until he got the backup near the end of the battle for Ruusan, Hoth was on the losing end of the battle. He was literally at the breaking point for his army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 First of all, grats on the thread. The color brigade likes to pick and choose their excerpts, for they prefer to gratify their own threads. Having said that, you may be lucky with a few sincere replies. Some elaboration is required... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 hehe, Simply viewed as another example of how experience trumped the odds...nothing more. He relied on classic battle formation knowledge, infused with his timed intuition of how he felt his oppoents would engage. I'll admit. Thrawn's approach to art was pretty cool "study time". If your desire to read my words is that great, I'll re-consider on your behalf. lol "Study time," huh? Not really. I don't really have a desire to read your words, just saying that red text is 'difficult' for me to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleOst Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 "Study time," huh? Not really. I don't really have a desire to read your words, just saying that red text is 'difficult' for me to read. LoooooooL Studying as much about your opponent as you can makes sense. Your emphasis on this in Thrawn's case is hilarious. It's great trivia, nothing more. I'm not disputing Thrawn as a tactician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzuliki Posted August 14, 2013 Author Share Posted August 14, 2013 I'm guessing this is between Ackbar and Hoth then. I can already see where it's gunna go though. Vote now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 LoooooooL Studying as much about your opponent as you can makes sense. Your emphasis on this in Thrawn's case is hilarious. It's great trivia, nothing more. I'm not disputing Thrawn as a tactician. You realize that this tactic is unprecedented, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I'm guessing this is between Ackbar and Hoth then. I can already see where it's gunna go though. Vote now Ackbar wrote the book on space combat... Jan Dodonna wrote one, too, but that's for another time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) I think there should be separate threads for both Space and Ground tacticians. Including both....may cause headaches and arguing and so forth, perhaps also be unfair. Edited August 14, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzuliki Posted August 14, 2013 Author Share Posted August 14, 2013 I'd rather stick to the list I have right now, purely for the reason that if it is filled, then I can see about splitting them into Space and Ground if we run out of slots. I mean, I don't mind doing it now if needed, but for now I think we're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) I'd rather stick to the list I have right now, purely for the reason that if it is filled, then I can see about splitting them into Space and Ground if we run out of slots. I mean, I don't mind doing it now if needed, but for now I think we're good. I'm just saying it might be easier to separate it, I mean ya Thrawn was an excellent space tactician...but for all we know his ground tactics were not as good as his space ones if they are even there to begin with. Edited August 14, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzuliki Posted August 14, 2013 Author Share Posted August 14, 2013 True, I see what you're saying. If the demand is high enough, I'll put a second list up in the first post, with Space tacticians and Ground split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Hoth isn't in the equation, ignore UncleOst. I'm no expert on tacticians, but the names Dodonna, Ackbar, Iblis, Nek etc. come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleOst Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) ^This. I mean it was a war of attrition, that does not show tactical or strategic brilliance. Given the fact up until he got the backup near the end of the battle for Ruusan, Hoth was on the losing end of the battle. He was literally at the breaking point for his army. His decisions were responsible for saving millions of lives. His "tactics" threatened the Sith to the point that they were forced to retreat back to Ruusan for the eventual finality to the war. There is more to Hoth than just the final battles on said planet. Edited August 14, 2013 by UncleOst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzuliki Posted August 14, 2013 Author Share Posted August 14, 2013 Okay so Second spot is now filled. Nominations for third? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleOst Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Hoth isn't in the equation, ignore UncleOst. I'm no expert on tacticians, but the names Dodonna, Ackbar, Iblis, Nek etc. come to mind. The fail is strong with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortenJessen Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) My Humble opinion, no specific order: Gilad Pellaeon Natasi Daala Revan Remulus Dreypa Cassus Fett Rycus Kilran Mitth'raw'nuruodo Octavian Grant Arkos Rakton The Exile Mandalore the Ultimate Garm Bel Iblis Odile Vaiken Soontir Fel Yoda Edited August 15, 2013 by MortenJessen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 My Humble opinion, no specific order: Odile Vaiken All good tacticians, but I don't think Vaiken should be counted. Not much Info on him, and his best feat was simply creating the Imperial Navy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Hoth isn't in the equation, ignore UncleOst. I'm no expert on tacticians, but the names Dodonna, Ackbar, Iblis, Nek etc. come to mind. That's a start. Add the following: Gilad Palleon Nuso Esva (because reasons) Obi-Wan Kenobi Plo Koon Mace Windu Darth Vader Darth Sidious General Maximillian Veers General Carlist Rieekan General Grievous Admiral Trench Wedge Antilles ... I'm seeing a pattern here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzuliki Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 So for the third spot, any suggestions? I think I'm going to nominate Revan purely for the sake of argument. Any challengers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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