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I was just wondering if anyone out there plays a DPS Vanguard, or if anyone thinks that it could actually work. This idea pretty much comes from the fact that I'd like to use a rifle and be more of a melee type play style for PVP rather than the ranged Commando counterpart with the assault cannon. Would you recommend trying a DPS Vanguard, or should I just stick to a Commando?
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I was just wondering if anyone out there plays a DPS Vanguard, or if anyone thinks that it could actually work. This idea pretty much comes from the fact that I'd like to use a rifle and be more of a melee type play style for PVP rather than the ranged Commando counterpart with the assault cannon. Would you recommend trying a DPS Vanguard, or should I just stick to a Commando?

 

DPS Vanguards were king before 2.0, especially in PvP. They are still viable, people just took the nerf really critically. Great players are still a danger, while mediocre players could not achieve anything special any more (Assault was perhaps the simplest spec in the game). 2/22/22 seems to get the best numbers in PvE.

 

Commando might be better at the moment, but it is by no means the only option with Troopers. Even if something isn't optimal doesn't mean it can not and should not be played. :)

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DPS Vanguard is very viable and can be very effective. The 2/22/22 hybrid is probably the best launching point for a PvP build, that plus appropriate gear will help greatly with your effectiveness in PvP.

 

I run (if memory serves, as I'm not looking at my spec atm) a 8/11/27 hybrid for PvE and I do carry it over for PvP if I'm too lazy to re-spec and it works for decent DPS in that setting, it just lacks some of the utility on slows and such that more points to the middle tree provide.

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DPS Vanguards are all about mobility than actual DPS. (Imo) I usually play a tactics build. Now that the assault specialist abilities are all 10m. Your in melee range anyway, so why not play the melee vanguard DPS tree? I can usually get 6K High Impact Bolts with my stocktrike 5K crits. So if you do that, then you can have over 11K crits every 10 seconds. This is all PvP, PvE you can roll either builds. (AS is more suitable) Edited by Mynderse
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I can't speak for PvP, but in PvE, hybrid VG (2/22/22) is competitive and perfectly viable. It really only lacks a bit of defenses and maybe just a touch of mobility, though it does bring very good aoe for the fights that need it. Full tactics gets the defenses and movement speed at the cost of a bit of DPS. There's not much reason to go full assault these days.
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Can't really speak for PVP but PVE Vanguard dps is just fine. In my guild I'm almost always #2 in dps even when I'm undergeared and playing with good players. I fully expect to top that once I'm geared out. I play assault spec and I love it.
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Can't really speak for PVP but PVE Vanguard dps is just fine. In my guild I'm almost always #2 in dps even when I'm undergeared and playing with good players. I fully expect to top that once I'm geared out. I play assault spec and I love it.

 

Lol, yeah. They sure must be good players if you're #2 in worse gear as.... ASSAULT?! Hahaha, please link some parses.

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Lol, yeah. They sure must be good players if you're #2 in worse gear as.... ASSAULT?! Hahaha, please link some parses.

 

This I'd kinda have to agree with. I played assault (well, pyro) a ton before 2.0, but would not want to play it in its present neutered state.

 

Doing the assault rotation almost perfectly usually results in about 200+ DPS lower than hybrid with a few mistakes, for me at least.

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Thanks for the feedback, everyone. What exactly is the 2/22/22 build? As in which skills would I put the points in exactly?

 

Hey expect to be confused and bad st this spec at the beginning and your dps won't be amazing but if you follow this guide that a a guy on my server made recently quit. But I use it and I top every dps chart even by 250,000 damage in some tfb nim runs. Here is Link to it the is the 2/22/22 spec http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=658277

Good luck and any questions you can pm me as I don't think the person who made this is on forums anymore cause he quit game but can try him really nice guy.

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I was just wondering if anyone out there plays a DPS Vanguard, or if anyone thinks that it could actually work. This idea pretty much comes from the fact that I'd like to use a rifle and be more of a melee type play style for PVP rather than the ranged Commando counterpart with the assault cannon. Would you recommend trying a DPS Vanguard, or should I just stick to a Commando?

 

I run with a DPS VG as well as a Commando Gunner, the VG is all good as a DPS, just know how to play him post Nerf

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I run a 2/22/22 hybrid for my VG DPS, I'm geared in a mix of 72's and 69's, and total damage throughout the raid, I am king. But on burst fights, blowing cooldowns, adrenals, and relics, my commando cousins do a tad better. But in AoE, we're kings. Ramp up your pulse cannon charges in between trash pulls, run in, explosive surge, and drop that fat pulse cannon. Then listen to your tanks scream in vent about losing aggro.

 

In boss fights, the rotation is basically a John Madden affair based on your IA and free stock strikes. Always keep your gut up, and use your shoulder cannon in between expensive shots to minimize your hammer shot usage, and keep your ammo up. There is a beautiful hybrid VG post on the forums that you should study.

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=658277

 

I wish you luck, young Vanguard. May your enemies die bleeding and in flames.

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DPS Vanguards were king before 2.0, especially in PvP. They are still viable, people just took the nerf really critically. Great players are still a danger, while mediocre players could not achieve anything special any more (Assault was perhaps the simplest spec in the game). 2/22/22 seems to get the best numbers in PvE.

 

I have yet to see a "great" DPS vanguard in PvP situation, when I see a vanguard dps, i automatically associate with free kill. No ranked WZ team will have Vanguard as a DPS unless you like playing 8v7. I have yet to see a guild take Vanguard dps in NIM ops. Why would I take less than mediocre dps to a ops when I can take gunslinger/sentinel that can quadripple vanguard's dps.

You are seriously in denial if you believe that Vanguard is viable as a dps in PvP or in PvE. It's funny but sad at the same time.

 

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I have yet to see a "great" DPS vanguard in PvP situation, when I see a vanguard dps, i automatically associate with free kill. No ranked WZ team will have Vanguard as a DPS unless you like playing 8v7. I have yet to see a guild take Vanguard dps in NIM ops. Why would I take less than mediocre dps to a ops when I can take gunslinger/sentinel that can quadripple vanguard's dps.

You are seriously in denial if you believe that Vanguard is viable as a dps in PvP or in PvE. It's funny but sad at the same time.

 

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I speak from a purely PvE perspective here.

 

I raid NiM ops on my ptech, and though we aren't very far, I'm not the one holding my team back.

 

The WORLD FIRST kill of NiM had a DPS ptech/VG. Guess we're not viable.

 

Yea we got problems, but the sky is not quite falling.

 

Edit: well, after those question responses, the sky us kinda teetering on the edge, but I guess it's all in hire you perceive it.

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I have yet to see a guild take Vanguard dps in NIM ops. Why would I take less than mediocre dps to a ops when I can take gunslinger/sentinel that can quadripple vanguard's dps.

You are seriously in denial if you believe that Vanguard is viable as a dps in PvP or in PvE. It's funny but sad at the same time.

This post is pure garbage and does nothing but discourage anyone from playing a VG/PT.

 

While it's true that sents/maras & GS/Snipers can do more damage, to say that a VG/PT does "less than mediocre" dps is just false. They're perfectly viable in a dps role. They just take more gear to get there. Their dps sure as hell isn't being quadrupled by the other 2 above mentioned classes either. That's a another gross exaggeration.

 

I encourage you to actually try playing a dps VG/PT, and make your own honest assessment of their dps capability, rather than just giving into the all the general negativity from "less than mediocre" people playing them.

 

All in all, could they be better? Absolutely. Are they as bad as what people say? Not in the least bit.

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I have yet to see a "great" DPS vanguard in PvP situation, when I see a vanguard dps, i automatically associate with free kill. No ranked WZ team will have Vanguard as a DPS unless you like playing 8v7. I have yet to see a guild take Vanguard dps in NIM ops. Why would I take less than mediocre dps to a ops when I can take gunslinger/sentinel that can quadripple vanguard's dps.

You are seriously in denial if you believe that Vanguard is viable as a dps in PvP or in PvE. It's funny but sad at the same time.

 

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As I posted earlier, I run the 2/22/22 hybrid, and my Mox parses in raids usually have me as #1 or #2 in DPS. You maybe having problems in PvP, but in PvE we're tearing **** up.

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This post is pure garbage and does nothing but discourage anyone from playing a VG/PT.

 

While it's true that sents/maras & GS/Snipers can do more damage, to say that a VG/PT does "less than mediocre" dps is just false. They're perfectly viable in a dps role. They just take more gear to get there. Their dps sure as hell isn't being quadrupled by the other 2 above mentioned classes either. That's a another gross exaggeration.

 

I encourage you to actually try playing a dps VG/PT, and make your own honest assessment of their dps capability, rather than just giving into the all the general negativity from "less than mediocre" people playing them.

 

All in all, could they be better? Absolutely. Are they as bad as what people say? Not in the least bit.

 

The hyperbole on any MMO forum can be strong, and it's especially strong with this one. :/

 

The post you were responding to is probably one of those PVP players that goes after the 55 Vanguard DPS in my Guild and then runs away when he starts getting his butt kicked.

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