The REAL Most Powerful Lightsaber Duelists

[TalonVII]

We all know Mace won that duel. But we seem to be getting stuck on how the two would fair against Prime Sidious. Hence why I pointed to Dooku.

 

We did, Mace won. Put him in ANY era, he'd rise to the top. That's just my two cents on Mace. He was simply that good[and not because it's Samuel L Jackson playing him ]

[Beniboybling]

Considering in a lightsaber duel Mace windu smacked Sideous down like a 2 year old[no sideous was not faking that, Windu did indeed beat him], Dooku would onto of fared well against mace. Windu IMO should be second. Not even a contest.

Smacked down like a two year old? Hardly. The only reason Sidious lost that duel was because he allowed himself to be lured to the edge. If that had not happened, they would have been at an impasse.

 

And against DE Sidious, who was both more youthful and more powerful? I believe he would have been defeated.

 

I propose Darth Sidious for #2. Who also schooled Luke Skywalker when he was under the influence of the dark side.

[Aurbere]

We did, Mace won. Put him in ANY era, he'd rise to the top. That's just my two cents on Mace. He was simply that good[and not because it's Samuel L Jackson playing him ]

 

We all know that Mace is the #2 material, and I would fully support him as #2. Darth Sidious (Prime) is there too.

Edited August 3, 2013 by Aurbere

[TalonVII]

Smacked down like a two year old? Hardly. The only reason Sidious lost that duel was because he allowed himself to be lured to the edge. If that had not happened, they would have been at an impasse.

 

And against DE Sidious, who was both more youthful and more powerful? I believe he would have been defeated.

 

I propose Darth Sidious for #2. Who also schooled Luke Skywalker when he was under the influence of the dark side.

 

Naa, even in their primes, I'd put Windu as a better DUELIST than Sideious. Granted Sideous was more powerful in the force and an amazing duelest, he did take down 3 jedi masters in a blink of an eye, but Sideous didn't really throw that fight, had he fought harder, Mace would of just channeled it back at him through Vaapad. Sorry as a duelest, Sideous just does not do better than Mace. Notice how he killed mace, through the force by corrupting ANAKIN, then using force lightning to kill Mace.

 

Not a lightsaber. I don't think Sideous could win a straight up lightsaber duel against Mace.

[DarknessInLight]

Top 5 Lightsaber duelists

 

1. Darth Sidious

2. Obi-Wan Kenobi(before his exile)

3. Anakin Skywalker(before the fall)

4. Yoda

5. Mace Windu

[TalonVII]

Top 5 Lightsaber duelists

 

1. Darth Sidious

2. Obi-Wan Kenobi(before his exile)

3. Anakin Skywalker(before the fall)

4. Yoda

5. Mace Windu

 

Jania Solo would kick the crap out of both Obi-wan and Anakin skywalker. She wasn't called the "Sword of the Jedi" for nothing. In her era, probably the second best lightsaber duelest in the order, right behind Luke.

[DarknessInLight]

he did take down 3 jedi masters in a blink of an eye

 

You do know that Sidious unleashed a Force Scream when he leapt up to where the Jedi Dream Team was waiting for him? Masters Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar were stunned and Sidious killed them just as the stun was wearing off. Kit Fisto and Mace Windu were also just breaking out of the stun, but Kit Fisto was no match for the raw power of Vaapad, which Sidious is also clearly a master of. Windu entered the duel on defense at first but quickly took over the duel.

Edited August 3, 2013 by DarknessInLight

[TalonVII]

You do know that Sidious unleashed a Force Scream when he leapt up to where the Jedi Dream Team was waiting for him. Masters Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar were stunned and Sidious killed them just as the stun was wearing off. Kit Fisto and Mace Windu were also just breaking out of the stun, but Kit Fisto was no match for the raw power of Vaapad, which Sidious is also clearly a master of. Windu entered the duel on defense at first but quickly took over the duel.

 

Incorrect, Sideous used Juyo, not Vaapad. Only 2 users of Vaapad, Mace and his apprentice since Mace came up with Vaapad.

[DarknessInLight]

Incorrect, Sideous used Juyo, not Vaapad. Only 2 users of Vaapad, Mace and his apprentice since Mace came up with Vaapad.

 

Um....Juyo is Vaapad, the seventh lightsaber form. Windu completed the form and is its only living Master, other than Darth Sidious.

 

Anakin Skywalker was a user of Shien as a Jedi Knight and Djem So as Darth Vader

Obi Wan Kenobi was a user of Ataru, like his master Qui Gon Jinn, until Jinn's death. He then switched over to Soresu.

 

Lightsaber Combat Forms, if youre interested.....

Edited August 3, 2013 by DarknessInLight

[LadyKulvax]

Um....Juyo is Vaapad, the seventh lightsaber form. Windu completed the form and is its only living Master, other than Darth Sidious.

 

Lightsaber Combat Forms, if youre interested.....

 

Vaapad is a variation of Form VII, it is not Juyo at all.

[DarknessInLight]

Vaapad is a variation of Form VII, it is not Juyo at all.

 

Juyo IS Form VII

 

Please......read this

 

Mace Windu was a Juyo specialist who felt that the form was incomplete. Enter the Vaapad.

Edited August 3, 2013 by DarknessInLight

[LadyKulvax]

Juyo IS Form VII

 

Please......read this

 

Mace Windu was a Juyo specialist who felt that the form was incomplete. Enter the Vaapad.

 

I never said Juyo wasn't form VII but just because Vaapad is a variation of Juyo does not make it Juyo.

[Guardian_Scott]

Jania Solo would kick the crap out of both Obi-wan and Anakin skywalker. She wasn't called the "Sword of the Jedi" for nothing. In her era, probably the second best lightsaber duelest in the order, right behind Luke.

 

If Jaina is up for placing then Jacen needs to be considered as well...

[sell-dog]

Are we considering duelists in their "Force Prime" or "Lightsaber Prime"? Is the question we are asking who would be who under both duelists prime dueling period?

 

For example, I think and would argue that obviously Darth Bane's Force Prime is in the 3rd novel but his Lightsaber Prime is when he had the orbalisk armor in book 2. Are we taking armor into account?

[Aurbere]

but Kit Fisto was no match for the raw power of Vaapad, which Sidious is also clearly a master of.

 

No. Sidious is not a Vaapad user. Vaapad was created by Mace Windu.

[Darth_Omega]

Are we considering duelists in their "Force Prime" or "Lightsaber Prime"? Is the question we are asking who would be who under both duelists prime dueling period?

 

For example, I think and would argue that obviously Darth Bane's Force Prime is in the 3rd novel but his Lightsaber Prime is when he had the orbalisk armor in book 2. Are we taking armor into account?

 

Actually Bane's style became better after he lost the armor.

[Aurbere]

Um....Juyo is Vaapad, the seventh lightsaber form. Windu completed the form and is its only living Master, other than Darth Sidious.

 

Anakin Skywalker was a user of Shien as a Jedi Knight and Djem So as Darth Vader

Obi Wan Kenobi was a user of Ataru, like his master Qui Gon Jinn, until Jinn's death. He then switched over to Soresu.

 

Lightsaber Combat Forms, if youre interested.....

 

Juyo is not Vaapad. Just as Djem So is not Shien. Vaapad is a variation of Juyo developed by Mace Windu.

 

Anakin Skywalker was a Djem So user as a Jedi Knight. He used a combination of multiple forms as Darth Vader.

[Darth_Omega]

Juyo is not Vaapad. Just as Djem So is not Shien. Vaapad is a variation of Juyo developed by Mace Windu.

 

Anakin Skywalker was a Djem So user as a Jedi Knight. He used a combination of multiple forms as Darth Vader.

 

Shien is meant more for opponents with blasters, right? Its like soresu but they direct the attack back at their enemy, I believe.

[Aurbere]

Shien is meant more for opponents with blasters, right? Its like soresu but they direct the attack back at their enemy, I believe.

 

Yes. Shien is referred to as 'offensive blaster deflection.' Anakin used both Shien and Djem So.

[Canino]

No. Sidious is not a Vaapad user. Vaapad was created by Mace Windu.

 

And Sora Bulq.

 

[Aurbere]

And Sora Bulq.

 

 

Sora Bulq aided in the Form's refinement. Vaapad was Mace Windu's creation.

[TalonVII]

Juyo IS Form VII

 

Please......read this

 

Mace Windu was a Juyo specialist who felt that the form was incomplete. Enter the Vaapad.

 

Vaapad and Juyo are not the same. It's like saying Tae-Kwan-do is the same as Karate.

 

Like saying Shien is the same as Djem-so. Which they are NOT the same. Lightsaber forms REALLY needs to be retconned.

[sell-dog]

Actually Bane's style became better after he lost the armor.

 

Yes I agree, but I am saying I think he performed/would perform better in duels with his abilities and armor from (the large majority) of book 2. Take note at the Tython Duel he was holding off a duel wielding Jedi Master who was considering one of the best the order had ever seen at that point, another Jedi Master, and a Jedi Knight. All them were also boosted by a 3rd Master whose specialized in Battle Meditation. That to me, is more impressive than deflecting rain and overpowering Zannah and that's why I consider this to be his "Lightsaber Prime".

 

Think about this way, would you rather be a 13 year expert (and yes he was def an expert to say that least at that point) in combat and only have to defend your head or a 23 year expert to a higher degree but have to defend your whole body? For me I'll take the first category.

 

Edit: If we are allowed to include armor in these arguments.

Edited August 3, 2013 by sell-dog

[tunewalker]

I think Windu gets spot 2 and spot 3 goes to sidious, Windu was clearly an incredibly skilled duelist and he used more then just Vaapad we have seen him use Djem So.

 

 

Oh and a note on Anakin, in AoTC he was a Shien user by RotS he was a Djem So user and technically had mastered both Variants of Form V. After becoming darth Vader he realized the weakness of his form and pretty much rid himself of any weakness of his lightsaber form by pulling on all of the forms but using Djem So as its backbone thus still keeping with its focus on Brute force, Vader obviously should be a contender for this list but I personally think Jaina and Jacen should be just above him with Yoda and Dooku just below him.

 

 

Yoda's style was the perfection of the basics but he didn't really innovate or use much strategy in his dueling mostly just relying on him being more powerful in the force then his opponent, so if he ever faced some one of near equal power he couldn't finish the job for that reason alone I don't know that he should be considered high on this list, though he should be considered just for his perfect mastery of all the forms as they are, but do to his slavery to form itself not as high as I think Jain, Jacen and Vader should get. Just my 2 cents.

[Aurbere]

Yoda's style was the perfection of the basics but he didn't really innovate or use much strategy in his dueling mostly just relying on him being more powerful in the force then his opponent, so if he ever faced some one of near equal power he couldn't finish the job for that reason alone I don't know that he should be considered high on this list, though he should be considered just for his perfect mastery of all the forms as they are, but do to his slavery to form itself not as high as I think Jain, Jacen and Vader should get. Just my 2 cents.

 

Yoda is stated as Mace Windu's dueling superior in the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook(IIRC) and G-canon sources.

 

If Mace Windu gets #2 because he defeated Darth Sidious, then Yoda should be placed shortly after. #3 or #4.

Edited August 3, 2013 by Aurbere