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Nibbon

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I have filed in-game a couple months ago (I believe I reported this problem on PTS too). Figured I would post this here now.

 

currently the alacrity skill (Force Gift for sages and forceweaver for sorc) in the heal (seer and corruption) tree does not increase force regen, it only lowers cast time - obviously this hurts our force overall quite a bit in all specs (particularly heal and balance/madness)

http://i.imgur.com/ObIK99p.png - note the 1.15% alacrity and 0 points in force gift

http://i.imgur.com/tDP8cfU.png - not ethe 3.15% alacrity and 2 points in force gift

extra 2% on alacrity (causing faster casting) but not boosting force regen

 

I remember there were similar problems when 2.0 was coming out regarding other things that sped up casting without similarly increasing force regen - this seems to be one of those problems that was left unidentified/ignored.

 

I estimate that this is making balance sages run out of force approximately 60 seconds sooner than they should (run out of force around 400 second mark (makes an additional 80 force) - and would benefit sage healers a tad as well. Given that this is potentially a bug, I figured I would post it here rather than wasting a sage/sorc class rep question on it.

 

Thanks!

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Confirmed. Checked my SORC HEALERS (Sithmart & Dscount) and I'm seeing the same thing.

 

http://imgur.com/q10fRue I've circled areas of concern in RED.

 

NOTE: Here is a SCREEN Shot of an OP HEALER & MERC HEALER in which the Skill's are included in the Regen Rate that is missing from Sage/Sorc.

http://imgur.com/8dz265O

 

"Polarity Shift" has the REGEN RATE goes up by 1.6/sec with 20% Alacrity buff for 10 secs.

 

You don't see the Skill/Buff 2.0% added to the REGEN RATE, but it does should up in the Alacrity Table. (Appears to be a BLANK on the REGEN RATE).

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If you say you are not bumping I believe you.

 

But I'm concerned that we have not heard from our illustrious BW team or seen this show up on the "Bug List"

 

It's a BIG DEAL to me as I need every ounce of FORCE to heal 16 man NIM content. Kinda sucks nothing is moving along on this one.

 

Pictures say a thousand words, but silence is golden? :mad:

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Well I've linked this in our REP feedback pages as well.

 

I'm hoping we have something coming out soon from our three questions.

 

I'm pretty sure this was an unintended bug, but not seen/heard about any incoming fix to this one.

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How has this still not been acknowledged? it's not as if it's a bug which takes any effort to recreate, and with one of today's Sorc/Sage questions dealing specifically with force management you'd think this might have got a mention. Edited by DogEyedBoy
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This really would go a long way to helping "FIX" the Sage/Sorc Force Regen issue.

 

The MATH shows without the +2.00% we are missing +0.1676 per SECOND of Force. That's roughly 10 Force every minute, PLUS any polarity shift boost. Still pretty SMALL compared to what we NEED for NiM content, but it does make a difference. Its a START if they can at least FIX this minor BUG that has been going on for a while.

 

Currently we have 7.16% for (+0.6/s) or (+0.08379) per % point

We SHOULD be using 9.16% you would get (+0.76759/s)

0.1676 / s MISSING (0.76759 - 0.59993)

 

http://i.imgur.com/RerQeuk.jpg

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This is STILL broken. Would be nice t o get confirmation that BW actually has this one tracking.

 

Three POSTS that say the same thing:

 

FOUR in Game BUG reports filed so far:

  • 10207433 on 9/17/13
  • 10154981 on 9/12/13
  • 10076892 on 8/30/13
  • 9842247 on 8/05/13

 

So WHAT does it take to get this added to the know bugs? This to ME seems like a pretty big "BUG" for Sage/Sorc... I mean we need all the Force we can get to "Heal to Full" in this game.

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UPDATE...

TWO MONTHS.. going on TWO MONTHS of this bug and nobody at BW has said "Boo" about it.

 

Bioware - Can we at least get our Force Regen Bug fixed? I keep putting in TICKETS so I hope someone is reading them and posted several times in forums.

 

Three POSTS that say the same thing:

 

FIVE in Game BUG reports filed so far (After each Patch even):

  • 10357865 on 10/8/13
  • 10207433 on 9/17/13
  • 10154981 on 9/12/13
  • 10076892 on 8/30/13
  • 9842247 on 8/05/13

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I run TK for the most part, so this doesn't affect me as much, but I do occasionally play the other specs and force regen is huge for both of them.

 

I guess I'm just adding my voice to this thread and confirming it is bugged on my character as well.

 

Maybe they are waiting for the so called 'balance patch' to fix this, but they should have at least acknowledged it by now, imo.

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Well.. 2.5 details got released today. SAD, very SAD BIOWARE can't seem to get balancing right.

 

NOTHING... Nothing about our fix to this NOR any changes to force regen.

 

MADNESS did get a buff, but that's about it.

•In addition to previous effects, Devour now makes your damage-over-time effects uncleansable. This affects Creeping Terror, Discharge, Crushing Darkness, and Affliction.

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Nibbon and Dscount, though Alacrity from Forceweaver|Force Gift doesn't increase the rate of force regeneration that displays upon mousing over "Force Regen Rate", the quick test described below suggests that this Alacrity does increase our rate of force regeneration when playing.

 

For my control, I had zero Alacrity (0% from gear and 0% from Forceweaver|Force Gift). After spending all of my force, it regenerated by increments of 8, as it should've. Though I saw a handful of increments by 7 or 9, which I can't explain, these did follow each other in quick succession and, therefore, offset each other.

 

For my first test, I had 2% Alacrity (0% from gear and 2% from Forceweaver|Force Gift). After spending all of my force, it regenerated at a rate of approximately 8.16, as it should've. That is, I gained 9 force approximately every fifth increment, and otherwise I gained 8.

 

For my second test, I had about 6.25% Alacrity (about 4.25% from gear and 2% from Forceweaver|Force Gift). If Alacrity from Forceweaver|Force Gift does increase the rate of force regeneration, the increments by which my force regenerates should alternate between 8 and 9, because 8 * 1.0625 = 8.5. If, on the other hand, Alacrity from Forceweaver|Force Gift doesn't increase the rate of force regeneration, the increments by which my force regenerates should cycle through 8, 8, and 9, because 8 * 1.0425 = 8.34. The former occurred.

 

This quick test suggests that the rate displayed in your screenshot is of no consequence. The meaningful question, which I request that you investigate and report on, is whether Alacrity from Forceweaver|Force Gift increases the rate of force regeneration when playing.

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Nibbon and Dscount, though Alacrity from Forceweaver|Force Gift doesn't increase the rate of force regeneration that displays upon mousing over "Force Regen Rate", the quick test described below suggests that this Alacrity does increase our rate of force regeneration when playing.

 

For my control, I had zero Alacrity (0% from gear and 0% from Forceweaver|Force Gift). After spending all of my force, it regenerated by increments of 8, as it should've. Though I saw a handful of increments by 7 or 9, which I can't explain, these did follow each other in quick succession and, therefore, offset each other.

 

For my first test, I had 2% Alacrity (0% from gear and 2% from Forceweaver|Force Gift). After spending all of my force, it regenerated at a rate of approximately 8.16, as it should've. That is, I gained 9 force approximately every fifth increment, and otherwise I gained 8.

 

For my second test, I had about 6.25% Alacrity (about 4.25% from gear and 2% from Forceweaver|Force Gift). If Alacrity from Forceweaver|Force Gift does increase the rate of force regeneration, the increments by which my force regenerates should alternate between 8 and 9, because 8 * 1.0625 = 8.5. If, on the other hand, Alacrity from Forceweaver|Force Gift doesn't increase the rate of force regeneration, the increments by which my force regenerates should cycle through 8, 8, and 9, because 8 * 1.0425 = 8.34. The former occurred.

 

This quick test suggests that the rate displayed in your screenshot is of no consequence. The meaningful question, which I request that you investigate and report on, is whether Alacrity from Forceweaver|Force Gift increases the rate of force regeneration when playing.

 

If it is just a textual error rather than an actual systematic error, all the more reason it should be fixed faster.

 

In any case, I don't really play much anymore ;p

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