The BattleZone Reboot Round 1 Match 10: Darth Malgus vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi

[Selenial]

I also feel that Malgus's cybernetics would be his downfall as Obi-Wan as said, has shown to be able to manipulate electronics...so Obi-Wan could possibly somehow use Malgus' respirator against him for a moment.

 

'Fraid not.

Malgus' respirator is a choice, unlike certain others, good old malgus can function without it, and has even removed it himself on occasion.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Edit: Retracted.

 

And reaction times? When she flipped over him, a flip that took about a second, he span around fast enough to slice her Saber in half, which was a rapid strike to say the least...

 

Yet has Malgus reacted to blurs? Swing a saber blindingly fast? Has he moved his saber fast enough to make a shield? Satele as I see it, is nowhere near as fast as Obi-Wan is.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi

[LadyKulvax]

So then why does he wear it then? He didn't wear one before, he must wear it for something.

 

It allows him to inhale air alot easier, he does not however require it like Vader.

[Wolfninjajedi]

It allows him to inhale air alot easier, he does not however require it like Vader.

 

Ah...well then alright, retract the statement then.

[Selenial]

Can't agree and here he doesnt even reference Maelstrom:

 

That Video is rendered completely obsolete by the fact the "Top Comment" is:

Do Revan vs Sidious....

 

Ffs

[Wolfninjajedi]

That Video is rendered completely obsolete by the fact the "Top Comment" is:

Do Revan vs Sidious....

 

Ffs

 

I just noticed that lol.

[LadyKulvax]

That Video is rendered completely obsolete by the fact the "Top Comment" is:

Do Revan vs Sidious....

 

Ffs

 

From a newbie fan, he gets those requests a lot.

 

He doesn't do Sidious because he knows there'd be no real competition.

 

Revan is not used because he doesn't believe enough information is around about him.

 

I don't see why someone's misinformed comment should render his own video useless.

Edited July 15, 2013 by LadyKulvax

[Selenial]

From a newbie fan, he gets those requests a lot.

 

He doesn't do Sidious because he knows there'd be no real competition.

 

Revan is not used because he doesn't believe enough information is around about him.

 

I don't see why someone's misinformed comment should render his own video useless.

 

It's pretty much the equivalent of

"Hey! Hey dude! HEY! Do Jar Jar binks vs the 501st!!!!!!!!1!1!1!1!!!1!!1!!!!!!!!11!11!!!!!"

 

[Beniboybling]

That Video is rendered completely obsolete by the fact the "Top Comment" is:

Do Revan vs Sidious....

 

Ffs

Don't underestimate the Jensaarai, you know those pages about the lightsaber forms? Yeah, he wrote those.

[Beniboybling]

Yet has Malgus reacted to blurs? Swing a saber blindingly fast? Has he moved his saber fast enough to make a shield? Satele as I see it, is nowhere near as fast as Obi-Wan is.

Don't be so impressed by the creative licence of a writer. Pretty much every Jedi has been described as a blur, Malgus is a Force-user he has a sixth sense - I'm sure he can keep up with Obi-Wan Kenobi. There is only one occasion that's come to mind were a Force user simply couldn't perceive his opponent, and that was Darth Maul watching Sidious. Malgus will do just fine, and we have no reason to believe he wouldn't.

 

And what you are referring to is saber barrier, which is by no means unique to Obi-Wan and has been performed by lesser Force users. Satele Shan is a powerful Force user, a wielder of Ataru, and to boot wields a double-bladed lightsaber, she is fast, yet Malgus kept up with her with ease. Preempting her moves before she even made them.

 

As a general point, Malgus has all the benefits of a battle rage and none of the weaknesses. He can fly into a rage that makes him nigh unstoppable while keeping his senses about him and on numerous occasions employ tactics in battle to outsmart his enemy. He performed this against both Ven Zallow and Kao Cen Darach - both practiced duelists and the latter and Jedi Battlemaster, and showed proficiency in battle precognition against Satele.

 

I don't think we should give too much to Obi-Wan because he beat Anakin either. Not only had Anakin yet to master Djem So to the level of Darth Vader, but he was consumed by the dark side which clouded his vision. In reality, Anakin never actually lost. Obi Wan just got 'the high ground' and Anakin gave in to arrogance. Malgus won't be doing that, yes he gets caught up in a battle rage, but his mind is the calm eye of the storm.

 

Really, I see Malgus winning this. Obi-Wan will be able to hold out with Soresu, but that's only going to by him time. And I assure you Malgus will not tire, he is a tank, he is Savage Oppress on acid. Just see

One Jedi Battlemaster + Malgus = chopped liver. Now, yes, Obi-Wan is an exceptional practioner of Ataru also. But what form did said Battlemaster wield? Ataru. What form did Ven Zallow wield? Likely Ataru also. And what form did Satele Shan wield? Ataru as well. Obi-Wan's Ataru will be of no help to him here, and his Soresu will only delay the inevitable.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Don't be so impressed by the creative licence of a writer. Pretty much every Jedi has been described as a blur, Malgus is a Force-user he has a sixth sense - I'm sure he can keep up with Obi-Wan Kenobi. There is only one occasion that's come to mind were a Force user simply couldn't perceive his opponent, and that was Darth Maul watching Sidious. Malgus will do just fine, and we have no reason to believe he wouldn't.

 

And what you are referring to is saber barrier, which is by no means unique to Obi-Wan and has been performed by lesser Force users. Satele Shan is a powerful Force user, a wielder of Ataru, and to boot wields a double-bladed lightsaber, she is fast, yet Malgus kept up with her with ease. Preempting her moves before she even made them.

 

As a general point, Malgus has all the benefits of a battle rage and none of the weaknesses. He can fly into a rage that makes him nigh unstoppable while keeping his senses about him and on numerous occasions employ tactics in battle to outsmart his enemy. He performed this against both Ven Zallow and Kao Cen Darach - both practiced duelists and the latter and Jedi Battlemaster, and showed proficiency in battle precognition against Satele.

 

I don't think we should give too much to Obi-Wan because he beat Anakin either. Not only had Anakin yet to master Djem So to the level of Darth Vader, but he was consumed by the dark side which clouded his vision. In reality, Anakin never actually lost. Obi Wan just got 'the high ground' and Anakin gave in to arrogance. Malgus won't be doing that, yes he gets caught up in a battle rage, but his mind is the calm eye of the storm.

 

Really, I see Malgus winning this. Obi-Wan will be able to hold out with Soresu, but that's only going to by him time. And I assure you Malgus will not tire, he is a tank, he is Savage Oppress on acid. Just see

One Jedi Battlemaster + Malgus = chopped liver. Now, yes, Obi-Wan is an exceptional practioner of Ataru also. But what form did said Battlemaster wield? Ataru. What form did Ven Zallow wield? Likely Ataru also. And what form did Satele Shan wield? Ataru as well. Obi-Wan's Ataru will be of no help to him here, and his Soresu will only delay the inevitable.

 

Every Jedi hm? Has Satele been described as such though? Malgus hasn't encountered this kinda speed that Obi-Wan is gonna bring.

 

Yes Anakin's downfall was due to the darkside clouding his judgement, however its been noted Malgus has tunnel vision which is also going to work against him.

 

Should note Kao, he just got finished fighting against two Sith, so more then likely he would have been already drained of stamina and the like. Yes he did kill Ven Zallow...but, he hasn't done anything noteworthy.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi

[tunewalker]

Every Jedi hm? Has Satele been described as such though? Saber barrier requires 2 sabers. Though still even if it was, Malgus hasn't encountered this before.

 

Yes Anakin's downfall was due to the darkside clouding his judgement, however its been noted Malgus has tunnel vision which is also going to work against him.

 

Should note, Kao isn't the Jedi Battlemaster he is just a Jedi Master. More to that, he just got finished fighting against two Sith, so more then likely he would have been already drained of stamina and the like. Yes he did kill Ven Zallow...but again like Cin Drallig, he hasn't done anything noteworthy.

 

Obi-wan has taken advantage of more then just Anakin's single mindedness before he would do the same to Malgus

 

 

Also Anakin was a master of BOTH Djem So and Shien. Malgus is only a master of Shien. I would say Anakin was the better duelist. So skill wise Obi-wan is going to have little issue dealing with malgus, and as I have said before his brute strength is nothing knew look at what obi-wan did against savage.

 

All-in-all I still believe its going to come down to the mental games. Its often the smartest fighter that wins the day not the strongest obi-wan has proven that time and again. With his knowledge of sokan and his ability to weather nearly any storm with soresu. Its that mind of his that will come out in the end.

[Beniboybling]

Every Jedi hm? Has Satele been described as such though? Malgus hasn't encountered this kinda speed that Obi-Wan is gonna bring.

 

Yes Anakin's downfall was due to the darkside clouding his judgement, however its been noted Malgus has tunnel vision which is also going to work against him.

 

Should note, Kao isn't the Jedi Battlemaster he is just a Jedi Master. More to that, he just got finished fighting against two Sith, so more then likely he would have been already drained of stamina and the like. Yes he did kill Ven Zallow...but again like Cin Drallig, he hasn't done anything noteworthy.

She's a Jedi, its a given. All Jedi move fast. I'll give it to Obi-Wan that he's above-average. But nothing short of Darth Sidious' Force speed could phase Malgus, or any more than powerful Force user for that matter. And if Malgus does get in trouble, he can just hunker down then blow him up. Obi-Wan could handle Dooku's Force lightning, but how about

Not impressed? What about if I told you that single blast of lightining insta-killed three Jedi. I'm not sure Obi-Wan can handle that. Or

for that matter. Obi-Wan has not encountered the kinda of hell Malgus can unleash.

 

EDIT: Kao Cen Darach is a Jedi Battlemaster. And lets be fair, that entire fight is impressive. Mainly the part were he took on Malgus and Vindican simultaneously and killed Vindican.

 

Also note the part were Darach absorbs Vindican's lightining with his lightsaber, then throws it at Malgus. And most importantly this. That exceptional display of TK is what I would usually associate with Yoda. Oh and while your at it replace those massive objects with Obi-Wan's lightsabers and you get the idea.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Beniboybling

[Aurbere]

Thought I'd pop in with this:

 

This is Obi-Wan Kenobi in the light:

 

As he is prodded onto the bridge along with Anakin and Chancellor Palpatine, he has no need to look around to see the banks of control consoles tended by terrified Neimoidians. He doesn’t have to turn his head to count the droidekas and super battle droids, or to gauge the positions of the brutal droid bodyguards. He doesn’t bother to raise his eyes to meet the cold yellow stare fixed on him through a skull-mask of armorplast.

 

He doesn’t even need to reach into the Force.

 

He has already let the Force reach into him.

 

The Force flows over him and around him as though he has stepped into a crystal-pure waterfall lost in the green coils of a forgotten rain forest; when he opens himself to that sparkling stream it flows into him and through him and out again without the slightest interference from his conscious will. The part of him that calls itself Obi-Wan Kenobi is no more than a ripple, an eddy in the pool into which he endlessly pours.

 

There are other parts of him here, as well; there is nothing here that is not a part of him, from the scuff mark on R2-D2’s dome to the tattered hem of Palpatine’s robe, from the spidering crack in one transparisteel panel of the curving view wall above to the great starships that still battle beyond it.

 

Because this is all part of the Force.

[Wolfninjajedi]

She's a Jedi, its a given. All Jedi move fast. I'll give it to Obi-Wan that he's above-average. But nothing short of Darth Sidious' Force speed could phase Malgus, or any more than powerful Force user for that matter. And if Malgus does get in trouble, he can just hunker down then blow him up. Obi-Wan could handle Dooku's Force lightning, but how about

Not impressed? What about if I told you that single blast of lightining insta-killed three Jedi. I'm not sure Obi-Wan can handle that. Or

for that matter. Obi-Wan has not encountered the kinda of hell Malgus can unleash.

 

EDIT: Kao Cen Darach is a Jedi Battlemaster. And lets be fair, that entire fight is impressive. Mainly the part were he took on Malgus and Vindican simultaneously and killed Vindican.

 

Also note the part were Darach absorbs Vindican's lightining with his lightsaber, then throws it at Malgus. And most importantly this. That exceptional display of TK is what I would usually associate with Yoda. Oh and while your at it replace those massive objects with Obi-Wan's lightsabers and you get the idea.

 

Never said his fight with Darach wasn't impressive. Also ya, I realize that Kao was the Battlemaster, hence I edited my post.

 

Though yes Malgus has force lighting that is something he holds above Obi-Wan, however its not like he is gonna stand there and let the lighting hit him, he can move out of the way too. I wouldn't call Darach's TK ability anywhere near Yoda's or Obi-Wan's. Obi-Wan can move ships.

 

Nothing short of Darth Sidious' speed....Beni are you serious? When has Malgus reacted to fast opponents? Obi-Wan and Anakin can react to the fraction of lightspeed, what has Malgus reacted to?

 

Though as I recall, Aurbere did give the advantage to Obi-Wan in speed. Which...is right, Obi-Wan is fast.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi

[Beniboybling]

Thought I'd pop in with this:

Taken from Wookieepedia:

 

Darth Malgus: Prior to his duel with Adraas, Malgus became more powerful then ever before by eliminating his only source of weakness; Daru. Her death allowed Malgus to reach such a mental state that he resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it. Within this state, Malgus became virtually unstoppable.

 

And from Darth Sidious' The Book of Anger:

 

When anger intensifies to rage, it is unstoppable. Malgus submitted utterly to the dark side, and doing so made him an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been duplicated.

 

Note the last part, never been duplicated, not even by Darth Vader himself. But we'll leave that for another time.

[Aurbere]

Though yes Malgus' lighting can disintegrate that is something he holds above Obi-Wan

 

Malgus' lightning can't disintegrate opponents.

[Aurbere]

Taken from Wookieepedia:

 

Darth Malgus: Prior to his duel with Adraas, Malgus became more powerful then ever before by eliminating his only source of weakness; Daru. Her death allowed Malgus to reach such a mental state that he resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it. Within this state, Malgus became virtually unstoppable.

 

That's fairly different from the prior excerpt. Obi-Wan's was more of a Force sense deal. Malgus' is quite different.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Malgus' lightning can't disintegrate opponents.

 

Ya, not sure why I said that...

[Aurbere]

Ya, not sure why I said that...

 

It's more like Dooku's lightning in AOTC, aside from the bit where it attacks two other Jedi.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Alright so looking over some sources, Malgus is rather quick with his blade too, able to move it similar to how Obi-Wan can do. However Obi-Wan still has the defense advantage, this is really just gonna come down to Force ability. But....Obi-Wan is faster along with his reaction time so Malgus getting a hit on Obi-Wan I don't see it unless he does Force Maelstrom but even then. Edited July 15, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi

[Beniboybling]

Never said his fight with Darach wasn't impressive. Also ya, I realize that Kao was the Battlemaster, hence I edited my post.

 

Though yes Malgus' lighting can disintegrate that is something he holds above Obi-Wan, however its not like he is gonna stand there and let the lighting hit him, he can move out of the way too. I wouldn't call Darach's TK ability anywhere near Yoda's or Obi-Wan's. Obi-Wan can move ships.

 

Nothing short of Darth Sidious' speed....Beni are you serious? When has Malgus reacted to fast opponents? Obi-Wan and Anakin can react to the fraction of lightspeed, what has Malgus reacted to?

 

Though as I recall, Aurbere did give the advantage to Obi-Wan in speed. Which...is right, Obi-Wan is fast.

Your overestimating Force speed here, its a potent ability but a Force user, with heightened senses, will not be completely phased by it. It might be a point in their favour but Malgus won't be like oh @#&$ I can't see him! You have to be vastly powerful to completely overcome the senses of a Force user, which is why I pointed to Sidious.

 

And

Thanks to Malgus' battle precognition even if his opponent is faster than him he can predict their moves and react accordingly. Taking into account that not only is Satele Shan at Ataru specialist, but studied at the feet of a Battlemaster and has shown considerably skill with the lightsaber.

 

And again, creative licences, nobody can react to the fraction of lightspeed - even for a Force user that is impossible. Nothing in our own universe can travel faster than the speed of light. If that were the case their duel on Mustafar would be too fast to make any sense of at all.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Your overestimating Force speed here, its a potent ability but a Force user, with heightened senses, will not be completely phased by it. It might be a point in their favour but Malgus won't be like oh @#&$ I can't see him! You have to be vastly powerful to completely overcome the senses of a Force user, which is why I pointed to Sidious.

 

And

Thanks to Malgus' battle precognition even if his opponent is faster than him he can predict their moves and react accordingly. Taking into account that not only is Satele Shan at Ataru specialist, but studied at the feet of a Battlemaster and has shown considerably skill with the lightsaber.

 

And again, creative licences, nobody can react to the fraction of lightspeed - even for a Force user that is impossible. Nothing in our own universe can travel faster than the speed of light. If that were the case their duel on Mustafar would be too fast to make any sense of at all.

 

How is it impossible exactly? Its The Force...last I checked also, this isn't real life so it doesn't matter if we don't have things that can't travel faster then light. Also...

 

Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.

But these particular pilots were far from merely human.

The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

 

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

 

Of course in the movies, were gonna see them fighting normally...if they actually moved as they can we wouldn't see them. During Palps vs Mace, Anakin couldn't Palpatine at all, all he saw as a blur.

Edited July 15, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi

[Beniboybling]

Malgus' lightning can't disintegrate opponents.

It killed them instantly, and badly burned their bodies, taking into account that these guys are wearing heavy, protective armour. Sure Obi-Wan can try and block it with his lightsaber, but it will be difficult and leave him vulnerable, and if Malgus unleashes anything stronger? Obi-Wan is in trouble.

[Selenial]

It's more like Dooku's lightning in AOTC, aside from the bit where it attacks two other Jedi.

 

Which is probably the clencher.....

I'd say that Malgus' lightning isnt powerful enough to kill Kenobi, even if he didn't get out of the way.

Here's why:

 

Malgus' lightning would be on Par with Dooku's i'd say, their power levels in the force seem to be around the same.... I know what you're thinking, Anakin took a blast of lightning to the face and survived.... He didnt get one shotted, like those three Jedi.

But Anakin had some of the most powerful Raw force Energy the galaxy had ever seen. His Force-Shield was thrown up instinctively when Dooku blasted him, no matter how unexpected it was. And Anakins force shield, thanks to his raw force energy, would be more powerful than most.

 

Even though Anakin's shield was so powerful, Dooku managed to tear through it and still knock him unconscious, as well as throwing him back into the wall...

The only reason Anakin even recovered from this was his Undying devotion to his master (at the time) and the knowing that if he and his master failed, the woman he loved would be slaughtered, as she was just waiting outside, with only a few clones to protect her.

Had the situation not been that, i'm not even sure Anakin would have recovered before it was too late.

 

Got a little of track there, but the message is clear, if Dooku's lightning is capable of demolishing someone so powerful in the force, it would be able to "One Shot" a Jedi of the Caliber that Malgus was fighting.

 

 

The fact that Malgus' bolts hit 3 people is inconsequential, the other 2 didnt even realise it was coming, so they had a weaker force shield than they would have anyway (Maybe if they had time to raise a shield, the "offspring" bolts wouldnt have killed them...

 

TL;DR Malgus and Dooku's lightning is about the same power....

 

 

How's this relevant you ask? Obi wan deflected Dookus lightning.