ETA on Advanced Class change?

[Jeweledleah]

They could definitely have made it clearer and more concise at character creation.

 

For example, at character creation, instead of "choose a base class", they could have phrased it "choose a storyy line, you will be able choose your class at level 10. . If a player chose the trooper story line, the next screen could state that "this story line will allow a player to select either the vanguard or commando class at level 10." and then give descriptions of both classes. This would allow them to keep the current story line shared by two classes, but make it clear that your AC is your class.

.

 

if this is how things were set up, I doubt we would be having this discussion.

 

but that's not how they set it up, and because of that - as well as the comments they have made? they left this game open to a change. personally, I have no problem with it, regardless of the fact that it will serve exactly zero use for me if implemented.

 

you have a problem with it. but honestly? its personal preference. nothing more, nothing less. given current setup and current design.

[TridusSWTOR]

Well, to be fair both sides keep saying there is no need for a debate. I think that there is a need...considering that Bioware MAY add this in the near future I think we all should discuss how, if ever, it gets implemented. It may be futile...they have been known to ignore some feedback and pay attention to others.

 

But I think the alternative...let Bioware simply guess in a vacuum...would not be wise. It might be helpful if they get some kind of small idea how we feel about it.

 

Also...great name

 

You are right, I'm not being sarcastic either. I was getting way ahead of myself.

 

Yes, I agree. There should be a debate on what people think on any subject. Honestly when I posted that, it was because I am a very pro-option for players. I will almost always support ways to let the player choose different ways to play the game.

 

With that, is the backbone of my argument. With the option of choice, players can choose not to be a part of a feature they don't believe belongs in the game, while other players can enjoy the option if they see fit. To me? It seems like a win-win situation but as you can tell by this thread alone, I guess it's not that simple.

 

That's my take on this issue though. Take it or leave it...the choice is yours?

[Asturias]

No.

 

In WoW, the three Warlock spec's are entirely different play styles in one class. In SWTOR, the AC's are nothing more than arbitrary dividers. Within Commando, Combat Medic, Gunnery and Assault Specialist are 3 different play styles within one division, while the other division has Tactics, Shield Specialist and Assault Specialist with 3 different play styles.

 

Each spec is a different play style in every single AC. Under your reasoning, each spec should be a different class.

 

Your grasping at straws here its not even funny.

 

Example

PT is a short range warrior (Ranger EQ) with a tank tree and DPS

Mercenary is a Hunter (WoW) with healing and DPS abilities

 

Fundamentally different in so many ways.

Edited June 20, 2013 by Asturias

[Asturias]

if this is how things were set up, I doubt we would be having this discussion.

 

but that's not how they set it up, and because of that - as well as the comments they have made? they left this game open to a change. personally, I have no problem with it, regardless of the fact that it will serve exactly zero use for me if implemented.

 

you have a problem with it. but honestly? its personal preference. nothing more, nothing less. given current setup and current design.

 

This type of design is nothing new and originated from DAOC and last I remember you couldn't swap on the fly and it was permanent.

[LordArtemis]

WHAT????? AC as i described is exactly like majority of games and are classes. Wizard and Necro are not specs in most games they are classes. This means that a Commando or Vanguard are different classes. This is the typical archtype stucture most classes are made from in all games just some don't force you to level as the archtype before you pick your final class.

 

Easy now. I wasnt trying to cause an argument. Not only do I think they are different enough to be a class, I'm not wild about changing ACs.

 

I just pointed out that to me, reading your post, ACs sure sounded a lot like specs.

 

It might be helpful to keep in mind that I have the intelligence of a piece of fruit. I may just have read it wrong.

[LordArtemis]

Well, I would like to reiterate my points I made earlier. I think there is a way, if Bioware was so inclined, to put this to bed.

 

1) Come out and publicly state, in no uncertain terms, that an AC IS A CLASS. Period. Leave no room for doubt.

 

2) Remove all base class abilities when you choose your AC, the ability to wear base class armor, etc. Provide AC abilities and armor from that point forward. The only exception would be adaptive gear.

 

To be clear, that means your base class goes poof...not more training in the base class, all base class abilities are gone. Now the only training you receive is in the advanced class you chose.

 

Edit: Just delete the base class in your abilities panel and move all abilities into the AC column instead. Put all abilities in the trainer under your AC. No more abilities listed to train under your base class.

 

3) Make sure all listings, all references, everything (except perhaps class story, nothing can be done about that now) is changed to refer to you by your NEW CLASS....the AC you chose.

 

4) Work on and release, some time in the future, an short AC quest line that brings real meaning to the role you chose. Perhaps a bit of VO work where they directly call you by your new class name.

Edited June 20, 2013 by LordArtemis

[branmakmuffin]

Your grasping at straws here its not even funny.

 

Example

PT is a short range warrior (Ranger EQ) with a tank tree and DPS

Mercenary is a Hunter (WoW) with healing and DPS abilities

 

Fundamentally different in so many ways.

Aside from the ways in which they are the same.

Edited June 20, 2013 by branmakmuffin

[Jeweledleah]

This type of design is nothing new and originated from DAOC and last I remember you couldn't swap on the fly and it was permanent.

 

that was then, and this is now. different development teams, different game.

 

there are similarities between games, many games, but that doesn't mean things have to be always done the way they were done before, and it doesn't mean that just because that other game did it a certain way, we are now stuck with doing things the same way. especially when they leave an opening and acknowledge it as a possibility in a same sentence with another change that has already come to pass.

 

I feel like maybe i didn't stress it enough. what other games are doing and how they are doing it is irrelevant. we're not trying to change (or keep the same) other games. we're talking about SWTOR. so what IS relevant is how TOR is doing it, what TOR developers are saying, and how perception of class/spec/specialization comes across in TOR

Edited June 20, 2013 by Jeweledleah

[Aries_cz]

ACs are treated as you class. And that is the way it should be. ACs use different weapon loadouts, use at least 73% of different abilities, have different effective range, some even use different armor.

The only thing they have in common is that they share the basic storyline and how world reacts to them. But there is nothing wrong with that. People react to most soldiers in the same way, no matter their specialization or military division, they are simply "soldiers".

[Asturias]

that was then, and this is now. different development teams, different game.

 

there are similarities between games, many games, but that doesn't mean things have to be always done the way they were done before, and it doesn't mean that just because that other game did it a certain way, we are now stuck with doing things the same way. especially when they leave an opening and acknowledge it as a possibility in a same sentence with another change that has already come to pass.

 

I feel like maybe i didn't stress it enough. what other games are doing and how they are doing it is irrelevant. we're not trying to change (or keep the same) other games. we're talking about SWTOR. so what IS relevant is how TOR is doing it, what TOR developers are saying, and how perception of class/spec/specialization comes across in TOR

I see you lack attention to detail and history, Mythic (DAOC) which is a sub division of BioWare helped create this game so your argument of "this is now and that was then" is irrelevant.

 

For the love of MMOs some of you seriously lack the knowledge of basic game mechanic and understanding along with the principles of Trinity core mechanics of a game which dates all the way back to regular Pen and Paper D&D style. MMOs can't escape it period and your asking for a huge change that really leaves nothing to strive for and a pointless adventure and replay ability for yourself and future players.

 

What BioWARE did that was revolutionary in terms of game changer is bring story so that those who wish to start a new class can enjoy the game over with out some sort of repetitive story.

 

Lets say you decide to start a new Bounty Hunter and you went from Mercenary to a PT class even in that story it can be different for simple fact of choosing whether or not going light side or dark side the out come is different.

 

This self entitled mentality is what killing this genre IMO and what you do in game affects other players believe it or not, I can't stress this enough.

Edited June 20, 2013 by Asturias

[LordArtemis]

People continue to argue that they are classes and that should be enough. It appears that Bioware may no longer feel that way....at least if you look at that most recent comments with respect to AC switching.

 

Again, sticking your head in the sand folks does nothing to further the discussion. This might happen sooner than you think. At least if we talk about it we might have some impact on how it is implemented if that day comes.

 

Not to mention that I have already stated what Bioware can do to rectify the situation and "put it to bed", so to speak.

Edited June 20, 2013 by LordArtemis

[Asturias]

People continue to argue that they are classes and that should be enough. It appears that Bioware may no longer feel that way....at least if you look at that most recent comments with respect to AC switching.

 

Again, sticking your head in the sand folks does nothing to further the discussion. This might happen sooner than you think. At least if we talk about it we might have some impact on how it is implemented if that day comes.

 

Not to mention that I have already stated what Bioware can do to rectify the situation and "put it to bed", so to speak.

Show the quote from BioWARE or your argument is forfeit and your Trolling for attention. Edited June 20, 2013 by Asturias

[LordArtemis]

Show the quote from BioWARE or your argument is forfeit and your Trolling for attention.

 

No.

 

First, you do not, at any moment of time in any stretch of the imagination determine the validity or intent of my posts.

 

Second, Go back in the thread a few pages and read it yourself. Or look it up on the net. Become informed. I'm not posting it for the 9th time in this thread.

 

Also, you may want to actually read post history, or at least the thread before you start throwing around foolish vitriol. It only demonstrates a lack of self respect.

Edited June 20, 2013 by LordArtemis

[Asturias]

No.

 

Go back in the thread a few pages and read it. I'm not posting it for the 9th time in this thread.

 

Also, you may want to actually read post history, or at least the thread before you start throwing around foolish vitriol. It only demonstrates a lack of self respect.

 

Well if you posted it 9 times than you should know were to find the link fast, so I doubt it you even posted and your blowing smoke.

Edited June 20, 2013 by Asturias

[Asturias]

No.

 

First, you do not, at any moment of time in any stretch of the imagination determine the validity or intent of my posts.

Second, Go back in the thread a few pages and read it yourself. Or look it up on the net. Become informed. I'm not posting it for the 9th time in this thread.

 

Also, you may want to actually read post history, or at least the thread before you start throwing around foolish vitriol. It only demonstrates a lack of self respect.

Exactly because there is no link nor discussion about it except Q and A from the public which not once has any Dev stated they would consider this.

Edited June 20, 2013 by Asturias

[LordArtemis]

Well if you posted it 9 times than you should know were to find the link fast, so I doubt it you even posted and your blowing smoke.

 

lol.

 

Sure. You got me buddy. I'm blowing smoke. That's what I do here.

 

My apologies.

[LordArtemis]

Exactly because there is no link nor discussion about it except Q and A from the public which not once has any Dev stated they would consider this.

 

LOL.

 

....if you keep trying maybe you'll make it to the top of that hill with those skates.....

 

Some people. Astounding.

[Asturias]

lol.

 

Sure. You got me buddy. I'm blowing smoke. That's what I do here.

 

My apologies.

 

I call it like it is because you sure have the time to respond to my post and make pointless claims, amirite

Edited June 20, 2013 by Asturias

[LordArtemis]

I call it like it is because you sure have the time to respond to my post and make pointless claims, amirite

 

Yea, your right.....

 

Duffy: Will be there any faction or Advanced Class change option available for purchase in the future?

 

Damion Schubert: We have had serious talks recently about offering an Advanced Class change option – I think that one will likely happen eventually. Species is likely as well. Doing a faction switch is considerably more difficult for us, though, due to the various quest flags set throughout the level up process, so this isn’t on the horizon anytime soon.

 

Absolutely right. It never happened, nor did I ever post it in the thread. You got me.

 

Just ignore that little quote above.

 

I think I'm going to go ahead and save your posts and links to the times I posted it...you don't mind, do you? After all...

 

 

...you call it like you SEE it.

 

Do you see it now?

Edited June 20, 2013 by LordArtemis

[Asturias]

Yea, your right.....

 

 

 

Absolutely right. It never happened, nor did I ever post it in the thread. You got me.

 

Just ignore that little quote above.

 

I think I'm going to go ahead and save your posts and links to the times I posted it...you don't mind, do you? After all...

 

 

...you call it like you SEE it.

 

Do you see it now?

 

Where is the Link Jack ***, anyone can write up crap like this and claim its the real deal and if it didn't come from Q and A Talks its not even a food for thought in there plans for the near future.

 

Link It which is a definition term to prove your case and as for Dulfy she is a fan website like many other gaming sites that makes and proclaims, cuts and edit **** to seem like its news and stir up ****.

 

Try again

Edited June 20, 2013 by Asturias

[LordArtemis]

Where is the Link Jack ***, anyone can write up crap like this and claim its the real deal and if it didn't come from Q and A Talks its now even a food for thought in there plans for the near future.

 

Try again

 

You have to be joking.

 

The link is in the thread. Here is a clue...follow me now....read slowly....it's in the "it never happened" link.

 

I'm sure your capable of clicking on a link.

 

This has to be the most astounding example of plain and utter [edited] I have ever seen on the forum.

Edited June 20, 2013 by LordArtemis

[LordArtemis]

And of course, now that you have come to to the horrible realization of the situation that presents itself to you, I present you pearls of wisdom care of your keyboard....

 

Show the quote from BioWARE or your argument is forfeit and your Trolling for attention.

Well if you posted it 9 times than you should know were to find the link fast, so I doubt it you even posted and your blowing smoke.

Exactly because there is no link nor discussion about it except Q and A from the public which not once has any Dev stated they would consider this.

I call it like it is because you sure have the time to respond to my post and make pointless claims, amirite

Where is the Link Jack ***, anyone can write up crap like this and claim its the real deal and if it didn't come from Q and A Talks its not even a food for thought in there plans for the near future.

 

Link It which is a definition term to prove your case and as for Dulfy she is a fan website like many other gaming sites that makes and proclaims, cuts and edit **** to seem like its news and stir up ****.

 

Try again

 

How's that shoe taste, eh?

Edited June 20, 2013 by LordArtemis

[Asturias]

You have to be joking.

 

The link is in the thread. Here is a clue...follow me now....read slowly....it's in the "it never happened" link.

 

I'm sure your capable of clicking on a link.

 

This has to be the most astounding example of plain and utter [edited] I have ever seen on the forum.

 

You just edited and put it there smart guy, hahah I love it

[LordArtemis]

Wait...did you just claim the interview was a fake? Is that your fallback?

 

One might think you would attempt to salvage what little shred of dignity you have left.

 

You screwed up. It happens to all of us. Be a man and own up to it or suffer the consequences to your legitimacy on this board....simple.

 

Foolish behavior, and especially mistakes like this will follow you a LONG TIME around here.

[LordArtemis]

You just edited and put it there smart guy, hahah I love it

 

Do you love how this makes you look as well?

 

Face it. You can't wriggle out of this one this time. You messed up plain and simple. Own up to it or it will stand in evidence to your lack of credibility.

 

And that's that.

Edited June 20, 2013 by LordArtemis