Kilikaa Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Wait, wait wait...so Barriss is out of the Order and tried to kill Ahsoka? Give me all the spoilers, I haven't kept up with TCW since the first half od season 4. But this makes no sense! She isn't a dual weilding Jedi. She was also killed with Secura when 66 was issued. A damn AT-TE blew her up! Are they completely re-writing her? I know things have been retconned before, but this is insane. Barriss Offee is now a traitor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Wait, wait wait...so Barriss is out of the Order and tried to kill Ahsoka? Give me all the spoilers, I haven't kept up with TCW since the first half od season 4. But this makes no sense! She isn't a dual weilding Jedi. She was also killed with Secura when 66 was issued. A damn AT-TE blew her up! Are they completely re-writing her? I know things have been retconned before, but this is insane. Barriss Offee is now a traitor?If you haven't seen this episode, or any of this season I suggest you drop everything and go and do it. At least two of these arcs are by far the best this series has ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCommand Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) Wait, wait wait...so Barriss is out of the Order and tried to kill Ahsoka? Give me all the spoilers, I haven't kept up with TCW since the first half od season 4. But this makes no sense! She isn't a dual weilding Jedi. She was also killed with Secura when 66 was issued. A damn AT-TE blew her up! Are they completely re-writing her? I know things have been retconned before, but this is insane. Barriss Offee is now a traitor? Everything about Barriss at the end of the war is now seemingly uncanon, no official word yet, but it seems likely Personally I think it's a good thing what they have done here, they have given us a traitor with a cause that has also driven a huge wedge between Anakin and the jedi order and Ahsoka's connection with both Not much happened surrounding Barriss until she got blown up in one of the comics, and in exchange for that little incident they have turned a previously very one dimensional character into a very complicated person with the ability to have more deep impacts in the future of the series Edited March 3, 2013 by SNCommand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilikaa Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) Everything about Barriss at the end of the war is now seemingly uncanon, no official word yet, but it seems likely Personally I think it's a good thing what they have done here, they have given us a traitor with a cause that has also driven a huge wedge between Anakin and the jedi order and Ahsoka's connection with both Not much happened surrounding Barriss until she got blown up in one of the comics, and in exchange for that little incident they have turned a previously very one dimensional character into a very complicated person with the ability to have more deep impacts in the future of the series I always wanted to see them develop Barris more, but I never wanted to see her turn like this. In th eend, though, she will certainly get a more fitting death than having a damn walker blast her into dust. Even I gave her a better death in a fanfic I wrote about my old SWG medic. Still, not the way I wanted to see the character's development go. On Denand, here I come! Also...Is season six a sure thing or will we learn about Ahsoka's fate in the second TCW movie? I believe original plans were the first movie, five seasons of the show and then a second movie to end it. Edited March 3, 2013 by Kilikaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 EP VII Now the 60 years old Luke was writing the Jedi Path. Ahsoka came with his invitation, put on her reading glasses to help correct it. They suddenly saw Ventress walked with two sticks which once were lightsabers， trying to tell them something, before they could understand her words, the now half wheelchair half Zabark Maul slowly came in, seems try to reach the book but could not make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilikaa Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 EP VII Now the 60 years old Luke was writing the Jedi Path. Ahsoka came with his invitation, put on her reading glasses to help correct it. They suddenly saw Ventress walked with two sticks which once were lightsabers， trying to tell them something, before they could understand her words, the now half wheelchair half Zabark Maul slowly came in, seems try to reach the book but could not make it. ROFLMAO! Wheelchair bound Maul. That would be hysterical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCommand Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Also...Is season six a sure thing or will we learn about Ahsoka's fate in the second TCW movie? I believe original plans were the first movie, five seasons of the show and then a second movie to end it. It's a sure thing, three episodes of season 5 got pushed back into it, and there's several statements made by the team making it about what we will see, apparently Tatooine is a confirmed location Anyway, they've said they will continue making the show as long as people watch, that's a bit more iffy now since that statement was before Disney bought Star Wars, but the writers are far ahead and had apparently finished writing season 6 in 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilikaa Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 It's a sure thing, three episodes of season 5 got pushed back into it, and there's several statements made by the team making it about what we will see, apparently Tatooine is a confirmed location Anyway, they've said they will continue making the show as long as people watch, that's a bit more iffy now since that statement was before Disney bought Star Wars, but the writers are far ahead and had apparently finished writing season 6 in 2011 I hope they don't continue it too long. A sixth season is starting to stretch the Clone Wars a bit. Gives me time to catch up, though. When season five is on dvd I should have watched every episode from season 1-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBBP Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) I would be happy for them to tie up TCW with a 6th season and a movie and then move on to tell the stories of other eras in the Star Wars universe. Perhaps even move into telling the stories leading up to Episode VII. Edited March 3, 2013 by TheBBP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCommand Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I would be happy for them to tie up TCW with a 6th season and a movie and then move on to tell the stories of other eras in the Star Wars universe. Perhaps even move into telling the stories leading up to Episode VII. I'm happy if they stick with the Clone Wars, it's my favorite era in the Star Wars universe, less black and white than before or after, it's the bridge between the prequels and the original trilogy, it has far more elements of real conflicts than other eras, and the setting has now become very deep and diverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen_Starsolo Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 This is ignoring 30+ years of established cannon starting with what was directly in the movies. Luke reestablished the jedi order without significant aid of the past jedi order. Any direct appearance of Ashoka in future movies would have to be after Luke's order is established, unless you're okay with spitting on the concept of the original trilogy of movies? Books are not established canon as many actually contradicted each other. What Disney puts in the new trilogy will be the canon. In their creation, since the script hasn't been completed, nobody knows. Well, except may be JJ Abrams and a few select others. What *YOU* want to be canon doesn't make it canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 she would die on kashyyyk on order 66 Felucia, her master dies on kashyykk, she was to die on felucia.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saremun Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 the Jedies are scum as always... but i must say this Episode was a blast, really cool. i liked the armor those Jedi guards had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 White saber?...Did I miss something? What white saber? Also I assume, those Jedi guards are apart of the Temple Security Guard. The Jedi master who helped Ahsoka find her saber had a silver blade during the scene when he was training the padawans. His saber is blue, maybe it was the glare... However silver sabers I thought were canon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterOak Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Books are not established canon as many actually contradicted each other. What Disney puts in the new trilogy will be the canon. In their creation, since the script hasn't been completed, nobody knows. Well, except may be JJ Abrams and a few select others. What *YOU* want to be canon doesn't make it canon. To elaborate on that, canon has ranks. The Clone Wars tv series is on a much higher level than any of the Starwars novels or games, and as such it can retcon anything of inferior rank without any fuss. Just like how in the Clone Wars Mandalore was shown to have experienced a Renaissance of peace and reform. It was an excellent change too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 The Jedi master who helped Ahsoka find her saber had a silver blade during the scene when he was training the padawans. His saber is blue, maybe it was the glare... However silver sabers I thought were canon? Hmm...ok I do recall that, but not sure it was white.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Yep, looked it up, Durindfire crystals were used to give a silver blade. (Used by Halcyon/Horn families) White krayt dragon pear used for white saber blade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen_Starsolo Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 To elaborate on that, canon has ranks. The Clone Wars tv series is on a much higher level than any of the Starwars novels or games, and as such it can retcon anything of inferior rank without any fuss. Just like how in the Clone Wars Mandalore was shown to have experienced a Renaissance of peace and reform. It was an excellent change too. Yes, the Clone Wars can trump anything probably with the exception of the movies. Anything that had the Lucas name attached in one way or another is established canon. Well now I guess anything with Disney from now on too. Lucas wasn't has hard on his IP as Roddenberry was in keeping the iron grip. But Lucas wasn't going to change his plans because some other guy/gal published a book on his IP. That's why I will find it funny when people rage if Disney/JJ do anything the strong supporters of everything EU disagree with. And if Disney just retold the same stories that's been around for years, I would say Disney and JJ would be lazy (much less the plagiarism of it all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord-durpp Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Yes I did say apparent list, but just because Pt.2 is there doesn't mean they're fake, it could be a placeholder till future name is decided...... Would make sense that they just keep it there to show its having the same storyline... and i do remember footage in the trailer of anakin beating up some guy (choking, thrown into a table, etc.) in presumably Padme's apartment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patthesith Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 This was my favorite episode. Can't wait for Season 6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabethchase Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Books are not established canon as many actually contradicted each other. What Disney puts in the new trilogy will be the canon. In their creation, since the script hasn't been completed, nobody knows. Well, except may be JJ Abrams and a few select others. What *YOU* want to be canon doesn't make it canon. You are wrong, but in a way that is understandable. Lucas himself established cannon, in it's most essential characteristics as a two part system. Movies & the cartoon are the highest level of cannon. Everything else with a lucasfilms logo is second. Then there are a myriad of technical rules to sort out conflicts, with Leeland Chee at lucasfilms being the final say so for all practical purposes. Until Disney set's new rules, that is the undisputable truth as laid out by Lucas himself. So anything in this episode trumps any previous ideas you had about Baris Offee for instance. The most often overwritten cannon has been from this show, as it was sort of impossible for them to have all these seasons of the clone wars without overwriting previous clone war concepts. First to go was Timothy Zahn's concept of the clone wars. Then the timeline has essentially made all pervious comics and even books questionable cannon status because there simply isn't enough time for all of this stuff to happen and certainly not in the order established. For instance Anakin's knighthood as presented in novel form is no longer cannon. TCW presented it differently, and it wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDisturbed Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 And yeah, I cringed a little when I saw that white saber, there are no white sabers in Star Wars!Did you not watch the show? I'm pretty sure there is considering the show is the second highest form of canon. Also, anyone who thinks they're not going to overwrite the post RotJ EU is fooling themselves. Lucas himself has stated in interviews that Luke never gets married, the emperor isn't cloned, etc. I'm sorry your books are no longer relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabethchase Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Did you not watch the show? I'm pretty sure there is considering the show is the second highest form of canon.. There was a white lightsaber already this season in the Maul arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartanik Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 There was a white lightsaber already this season in the Maul arc. You mean the black one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabethchase Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 You mean the black one Yes, oops. Same concept though. All colors are fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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