SNCommand Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Destroy a very strong story and origin to make a cheap character for when an episode is getting boring a quick fight is needed is not "expansion." One element of her I'm sad they have seemed to remove is her presence on Rattatak, before they retconned her she had made herself one of the strongest warlords on the planet and had her own fortress, which was ironic considering she and her jedi master was fighting to end the warlords rule She's still a tragic character, but that message was clearer when she had become the very thing her master had trained her to end, like a mirror to what was going to happen with Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Destroy a very strong story and origin to make a cheap character for when an episode is getting boring and a quick fight is needed is not "expansion." Ventress was a very strong, and well built character in the Star Wars universe, but like other things in TCW, she has been widdled down to some cheap BS for the sake of time consumption. I think she's had some good moments in the show. Sure her story has been retconned, but, in this case, it may be a good thing. I didn't like that she was a pawn of the Sith. Now that's free she has options. I particularly like the episode where she teamed up with the bounty hunters for that "escort" mission. Nobody likes retcons and TCW does that quite a bit, but it is to be expected. Well, the outcome is still not certain, who knows, she might be redeemed or something, but I doubt it, this next episode is going to be a tragic one from what I have read I'm hoping the ending will surpirse me, because I expect a happy ending. We'll see I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Good. TCW has been waaaay too rainbows and unicorns and sunshine. Too little meaning deaths or tragedy of ligit scales.Lol, Adi Gallia was impaled by Savage's horns, Savage then gets an arm chopped off, Steela fell off a cliff, King Rash was shot in cold blood, Pre Vizla was beheaded, Satine was impaled on a dark saber and Savage was stabbed in the chest. Are we watching the same series? This season has been packed full of meaningful deaths and 'tragedy of ligit scales' - whatever that's supposed to mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 One element of her I'm sad they have seemed to remove is her presence on Rattatak, before they retconned her she had made herself one of the strongest warlords on the planet and had her own fortress, which was ironic considering she and her jedi master was fighting to end the warlords rule She's still a tragic character, but that message was clearer when she had become the very thing her master had trained her to end, like a mirror to what was going to happen with AnakinThat wasn't retconned I believe, only that she was actually Rattataki... don't you remember the flashbacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eillack Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) Lol, Adi Gallia was impaled by Savage's horns, Savage then gets an arm chopped off, Steela fell off a cliff, King Rash was shot in cold blood, Pre Vizla was beheaded, Satine was impaled on a dark saber and Savage was stabbed in the chest. Are we watching the same series? This season has been packed full of meaningful deaths and 'tragedy of ligit scales' - whatever that's supposed to mean... I laughed my *** off at all those deaths because they were so cheap - though Satine's was the closest thing to making effort...though I still laughed at that one too because it was predictable. And Adi Gallia wasn't supposed to die then and there in the first place. One element of her I'm sad they have seemed to remove is her presence on Rattatak, before they retconned her she had made herself one of the strongest warlords on the planet and had her own fortress, which was ironic considering she and her jedi master was fighting to end the warlords rule. She's still a tragic character, but that message was clearer when she had become the very thing her master had trained her to end, like a mirror to what was going to happen with Anakin Yup, stuff like that is what ruined her story. Along with her being a Nightsister / killing off the Nightsisters who were alive and well with many numbers during the Galactic Civil War + . Edited March 2, 2013 by Eillack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCommand Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 That wasn't retconned I believe, only that she was actually Rattataki... don't you remember the flashbacks? Well yeah, she still was on Rattatak where she was trained by a jedi master that found her, and it's still there dooku found her as well, but she's no longer a warlord on Rattatak with her own castle and Rattataki army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Well yeah, she still was on Rattatak where she was trained by a jedi master that found her, and it's still there dooku found her as well, but she's no longer a warlord on Rattatak with her own castle and Rattataki army When Narec died at the hands of a Weequay raider, she tattooed her head and left her innocence behind. Her skull was striped with twelve marks, one for each of the twelve warlords she had killed after swearing their deaths.[7] Ventress, now in control of the land once held by the warlords who had murdered her Master, had a castle built on Rattatak, from where she controlled her new kingdom. Ventress kept Narec's lightsaber as a memento of the good times with her mentor, and developed a hatred of the Jedi, who she believed had abandoned Narec.This hasn't been retconned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I laughed my *** off at all those deaths because they were so cheap - though Satine's was the closest thing to making effort...though I still laughed at that one too because it was predictable. And Adi Gallia wasn't supposed to die then and there in the first place. Yup, stuff like that is what ruined her story. Along with her being a Nightsister / killing off the Nightsisters who were alive and well with many numbers during the Galactic Civil War + .The Clone Wars is not the TV series you are looking for, move along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eillack Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 The Clone Wars is not the TV series you are looking for, move along... It has one last season left, so might as well stick around for when I'm bored and need to kill time. Good to se you don't deny these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCommand Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) This hasn't been retconned. Then why does she not use the resources at her disposal instead of taking up bounty hunting to make ends meet? it might not be officially removed, but it could just as well have been Edited March 2, 2013 by SNCommand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Then why does she not use the resources at her disposal instead of taking up bounty hunting to make ends meet? it might not be officially removed, but it could just as well have been*shrug* I assume she left that all behind when she became Dooku's apprentice, I'm not aware of any EU material where she uses her resources on Rattaki after she leaves the planet. It has one last season left, so might as well stick around for when I'm bored and need to kill time. Good to se you don't deny these.I can't deny your opinion. I respect that your entitled to one, but its obvious the TCW isn't your kinda show. And if you plan on sticking around, prepared to stick around a lot longer - there are likely 2 if not 3 seasons left to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNCommand Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 *shrug* I assume she left that all behind when she became Dooku's apprentice, I'm not aware of any EU material where she uses her resources on Rattaki after she leaves the planet. There was a story in which Obi Wan was held captured at her castle, it was also described as her personal base of operations during the war, it might have been taken over by Confederacy forces after Ventress was betrayed, but it would still seem like a more logical place to travel to first to gather resources, and her presence on Rattatak has had no mention since the retcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradTheImpaler Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Just saw the episode... It was Barriss...And Ahsoka is alive, but has left the Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithaheon Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Just saw the episode... It was Barriss...And Ahsoka is alive, but has left the Order. I was upset seeing her leave, but it's better than having her killed off. Hopefully she comes back during season 6, and possibly in Episode VII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Didn't even watch it. << Info gave it away...so ya, lackluster ending great.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Didn't even watch it. << Info gave it away...so ya, lackluster ending great.... As expected. *sigh* It couldn't have been more obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aitix Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Just read the spoilers on the Jedi Council forums. Let me just say that after finding out what happens to Barriss and Ahsoka, I'm even more stoked to actually see the next episode. The Season 5 finale is going to be one of the best episodes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars ever. Also, I'm glad that Ventress is still alive at the end. Ventress in TCW is way better than Ventress in the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenkan Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 This episode is going to be awesome! I'd say this whole story arc is my favorite of the Season, which is saying a lot, considering I enjoyed all the stories this season more than any season. That is, except for the Onderon one, which dragged on a bit. Nonetheless, I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradTheImpaler Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) I was upset seeing her leave, but it's better than having her killed off. Hopefully she comes back during season 6, and possibly in Episode VII Well that would depend on her surviving Order 66...who knows. She'd only be in her 40s by the time of Episode 7, assuming it's set soon after ROTJ. or older depending on whether the Solo/Skywalker children are involved or the bantha poodoo at Disney...'space' up the timeline. Anyway yeah as for the episode, I had my canon goggles on and refused to see this coming. Even leaving that aside, though, the idea of her surviving but leaving the Order never occurred to me. I wonder how we'll see this affect Anakin in future episodes. I remember in the RoTS novel, it says that Anakin would likely have ended up leaving the Order anyway, even if he hadn't turned. Edited March 2, 2013 by BradTheImpaler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I'm conflicted about this episode, The ending was predictable yes, but the storyline and conversation between Anakin and Ahsoka were incredible.... I'm hoping season 6 does happen, but I'm scared, a reviewer of TCW episodes was told that if we want season 6.... Now is the time to make a racket. Not the announcements in march. I think we're going to see Ashoka back, and we might see her as a knight, or she could also be a general in the republic whilst not being a Jedi. I think if season 6 doesn't come, she'll stay rogue, hell we might even see her return in episode 7, that would be pretty cool ^^ I think I'm gonna make a new thread for season 6/episode 20 discussions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spartanik Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 As expected. *sigh* It couldn't have been more obvious. To be honest any outcome would have been obvious at this point with all the tension they built arround her. I think if they ought to kill her that would have been when people least expected, but at the same time that would make sense. Like the case of satine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 She was originally an interesting villain with a good backstory. Her betrayal and 'death' gave her character a solid arc. As it is now, she seems to be pulled in constantly to duel with every Jedi imaginable, but these duels are always inconclusive. There's nothing worse than a boring fight, and the problem with having Ventress engage various main characters repeatedly is that it detracts from the sense of danger. You know they'll keep Ventress around because the series' writers like to have her in their pocket so they can pull her out whenever they want a lightsaber duel, but she's run away so many times that there's never a real concern she may be killed. What makes Ahsoka an interesting character is that she's entirely original. Anything can happen to her, and so there is dramatic tension when her life is at stake. Ventress has lost any sense of such tension.Well Ventress doesn't have lightsabers anymore so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 As expected. *sigh* It couldn't have been more obvious. Didn't even watch it. << Info gave it away...so ya, lackluster ending great....At that point it wasn't even about that anymore, it was all about Ashoka's fate. Even so, I liked the scene when Anakin confronted her and that duel was pretty awesome. I certainly wouldn't call it a lack luster ending, this is by far one of the most powerful endings in the entire series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) At that point it wasn't even about that anymore, it was all about Ashoka's fate. Even so, I liked the scene when Anakin confronted her and that duel was pretty awesome. I certainly wouldn't call it a lack luster ending, this is by far one of the most powerful endings in the entire series. Its lackluster in the sense it was kinda predictable. I would have actually been shocked, if Bariss had actually gotten away and Ahsoka was killed or jailed. Do I hate the ending? No, but it was expected to happen not in the sense Ahsoka leaving the order but her getting off. Edited March 3, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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