Wolfninjajedi Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) I think it needs to be pointed out that Xizor's fleet would be completely outmatched by the fleet Malgus has... Remember Xizor's entire Black Sun fleet consisted of Corellian Corvettes, Freighters, Gunships, and starfighters... Malgus had access to capital ships that would be the equivalent of Star Destroyers... Barring superweapons, if Xizor's fleet got into a space battle with Malgus's fleet, they'd be on a 1 way trip to the scrap heap... Now Xizor's starfighters would have an advantage against the starfighters Malgus would be fielding, the ships going up against the capital ships of Malgus's fleet would be obliterated well before that. There was a reason why the Rebel Alliance always did "hit and hype" attacks... Until the Mon Calamari joined the Alliance, they had no ship that could go toe-to-toe against a Victory Class Star Destroyer, let alone an Imperial Star Destroyer... While Rebel Starfighters had the ability to take down an ISD, it doesn't do them much good to lose their carrier in the process... The Mon Cal Cruiser was the first Rebel Capital Ship that actually could take on an ISD and have a chance at winning, 2 Mon Cal ships could take down an ISD easy... Xizor does not have any capital ships that can go toe to toe against ships that would be the equivalent of Star Destroyers... Yes he does, he has access to Venator Class Star Destroyers. By Star Destroyers which type are you referring to? Edited January 7, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I think it needs to be pointed out that Xizor's fleet would be completely outmatched by the fleet Malgus has... Remember Xizor's entire Black Sun fleet consisted of Corellian Corvettes, Freighters, Gunships, and starfighters... Malgus had access to capital ships that would be the equivalent of Star Destroyers... Barring superweapons, if Xizor's fleet got into a space battle with Malgus's fleet, they'd be on a 1 way trip to the scrap heap... Now Xizor's starfighters would have an advantage against the starfighters Malgus would be fielding, the ships going up against the capital ships of Malgus's fleet would be obliterated well before that. There was a reason why the Rebel Alliance always did "hit and hype" attacks... Until the Mon Calamari joined the Alliance, they had no ship that could go toe-to-toe against a Victory Class Star Destroyer, let alone an Imperial Star Destroyer... While Rebel Starfighters had the ability to take down an ISD, it doesn't do them much good to lose their carrier in the process... The Mon Cal Cruiser was the first Rebel Capital Ship that actually could take on an ISD and have a chance at winning, 2 Mon Cal ships could take down an ISD easy... Xizor does not have any capital ships that can go toe to toe against ships that would be the equivalent of Star Destroyers... That's a good point. However it should also be noted that Xizor has advanced Black Market tech that he can outfit his ships with. Of course that relies on how much time he has to prepare. Unless his ships will already have that tech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) That's a good point. However it should also be noted that Xizor has advanced Black Market tech that he can outfit his ships with. Of course that relies on how much time he has to prepare. Unless his ships will already have that tech? Ok you can hit me on the head twice now. As I see it, Xizor would already have tricked out his ships before hand getting access to them from when he started getting them. I don't see him going with the standard layout, he could rip the things he doesn't want in or can add stuff to them with Black Market tech. As for how long, well being the smart man that he is, more then likely he would have it all ready to go and getting it installed probably wouldn't take that much time if the crew knows what its doing. Also Malgus doesn't have ships that are equal to an ISD...infact the Venator ships would be perfectly fine to go against Malgus ships. I already posted some ships earlier in the thread, but i'll put em up again along with a few others he can get. 1. AEG-77 Vigo- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/AEG-77_Vigo 2. V-wing Starfighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha-3_Nimbus-class_V-wing_starfighter 3. IPV-1 System Patrol Craft- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/IPV-1_System_Patrol_Craft 4. Interceptor-class frigate- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Interceptor-class_frigate 5. Ixiyen-class fast attack craft- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ixiyen-class_fast_attack_craft 6. Kihraxz light fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kihraxz_light_fighter 7. Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rihkxyrk_Assault_Fighter 8. StarViper-class attack platform- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/StarViper-class_attack_platform 9. Stinger(Guri's ship)- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stinger 10. Supa Fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Supa_Fighter 11. Vaksai- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vaksai 12. Venator-class Star Destroyer- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator-class_Star_Destroyer 13. Virago(Xizor's ship)- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Virago 14. Z-95 HeadHunter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z-95_Headhunter 15. Nebulon B frigate- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/EF76_Nebulon-B_escort_frigate 16. A-wing- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RZ-1_A-wing_interceptor 17. Y-wing- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL_Y-wing_starfighter Also yes, pirates indeed used those ships. Edited January 7, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Ok you can hit me on the head twice now. As I see it, Xizor would already have tricked out his ships before hand getting access to them from when he started getting them. I don't see him going with the standard layout, he could rip the things he doesn't want in or can add stuff to them with Black Market tech. As for how long, well being the smart man that he is, more then likely he would have it all ready to go and getting it installed probably wouldn't take that much time if the crew knows what its doing. Also Malgus doesn't have ships that are equal to an ISD...infact the Venator ships would be perfectly fine to go against Malgus ships. I already posted some ships earlier in the thread, but i'll put em up again along with a few others he can get. 1. AEG-77 Vigo- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/AEG-77_Vigo 2. V-wing Starfighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha-3_Nimbus-class_V-wing_starfighter 3. IPV-1 System Patrol Craft- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/IPV-1_System_Patrol_Craft 4. Interceptor-class frigate- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Interceptor-class_frigate 5. Ixiyen-class fast attack craft- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ixiyen-class_fast_attack_craft 6. Kihraxz light fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kihraxz_light_fighter 7. Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rihkxyrk_Assault_Fighter 8. StarViper-class attack platform- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/StarViper-class_attack_platform 9. Stinger(Guri's ship)- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stinger 10. Supa Fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Supa_Fighter 11. Vaksai- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vaksai 12. Venator-class Star Destroyer- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator-class_Star_Destroyer 13. Virago(Xizor's ship)- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Virago 14. Z-95 HeadHunter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z-95_Headhunter 15. Nebulon B frigate- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/EF76_Nebulon-B_escort_frigate 16. A-wing- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RZ-1_A-wing_interceptor 17. Y-wing- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL_Y-wing_starfighter Also yes, pirates indeed used those ships. *Whack Whack! You don't have to respond to this, but what are we looking at numbers-wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canino Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Wait, so you're voting Malgus so GO-TO would win? And here i thought nobody liked him, then I stumble onto a fan club. Yeah, pretty much. And it seems Aurbere and I are the only ones who feel this way-or at least vote Malgus. Don't get me wrong, Xizor is very powerful and I love him, but I feel as though Malgus would win, and it only helps me to get G0-T0 to win. @Wolf-I have two bonks for you. That's a lot of ships, but I don't see this Kaggath having to many space battles. Malgus has a stealth fleet for a reason. Also the Collective have perfected making and using the stealth fleet. I feel as though unless Malgus has an advantage, or Xizor forces the battle, Malgus would avoid space battles. He would do small land strike teams to enflict high damage and sabatoge. His sith would be able to destroy most of the hired mercs anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) Yeah, pretty much. And it seems Aurbere and I are the only ones who feel this way-or at least vote Malgus. Don't get me wrong, Xizor is very powerful and I love him, but I feel as though Malgus would win, and it only helps me to get G0-T0 to win. @Wolf-I have two bonks for you. That's a lot of ships, but I don't see this Kaggath having to many space battles. Malgus has a stealth fleet for a reason. Also the Collective have perfected making and using the stealth fleet. I feel as though unless Malgus has an advantage, or Xizor forces the battle, Malgus would avoid space battles. He would do small land strike teams to enflict high damage and sabatoge. His sith would be able to destroy most of the hired mercs anyway. On land Xizor would be just as deadly, seeing as he would have access to illegal blasters/disruptors, also armor and various droids. Pretty much he could get whatever he needs from the Black Market, to outfit his men and army the Black Market is huge and has a various number of things that can be bought, which due to that there can be some nasty surprises for Malgus's men because what they could comr across they wouldn't be dealing with on a regular basis(Disruptor blasters/personal shield generators/mines/armor) etc etc. One of these things include the SD-6 Hulk Infantry Droid- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SD-6_Hulk_infantry_droid Infact Xizor could also outfit his tanks with cloaking tech too. Infact actually, you could combine with the droid's Xizor's bio weapons to use against enemy troopers. You don't have to respond to this, but what are we looking at numbers-wise? Numbers wise? I do not know, but the faction spans the entire galaxy so...take that as you will. ========= ANYWAY I AM DONE NOW. For real...I am done, I AM SERIOUSLY DONE NOW! I SHALL NOT RESPOND TO ANY REPLY POSTS! Its also been 155 posts, so lets just end this already. Come on Beni, close! I don't wanna keep getting dragged back in! END!! Edited January 7, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canino Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 That wouldn't help Xizor much. That droid would be destroyed be sith, and as said in wookiepedia it was easily destroyed by small strike groups. That's Malgus' preferred fighting method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) That wouldn't help Xizor much. That droid would be destroyed be sith, and as said in wookiepedia it was easily destroyed by small strike groups. That's Malgus' preferred fighting method. It still could help anyway, as I said it could also have a trap for Malgus' forces when its destroyed(droids can be rigged as such be explosive or a bio weapon) thats also just an example of what Xizor could get, he could gain access to other droids/vehicles and the like from the BM. Ok now...I am done. Edited January 7, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 It still could help anyway, as I said it could also have a trap for Malgus' forces when its destroyed(droids can be rigged as such be explosive or a bio weapon) thats also just an example of what Xizor could get, he could gain access to other droids and the like from the BM. Ok now...I am done. *slaps wolf across the face with a massive frying pan I've always wanted to do that. Anywho... yeah I think this has been debated to death and back as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) *slaps wolf across the face with a massive frying pan I've always wanted to do that. Anywho... yeah I think this has been debated to death and back as well. Hey now, the pan thing is only for Beni and Aurbere. Edited January 7, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMe Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Ok you can hit me on the head twice now. As I see it, Xizor would already have tricked out his ships before hand getting access to them from when he started getting them. I don't see him going with the standard layout, he could rip the things he doesn't want in or can add stuff to them with Black Market tech. As for how long, well being the smart man that he is, more then likely he would have it all ready to go and getting it installed probably wouldn't take that much time if the crew knows what its doing. Also Malgus doesn't have ships that are equal to an ISD...infact the Venator ships would be perfectly fine to go against Malgus ships. I already posted some ships earlier in the thread, but i'll put em up again along with a few others he can get. 1. AEG-77 Vigo- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/AEG-77_Vigo 2. V-wing Starfighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha-3_Nimbus-class_V-wing_starfighter 3. IPV-1 System Patrol Craft- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/IPV-1_System_Patrol_Craft 4. Interceptor-class frigate- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Interceptor-class_frigate 5. Ixiyen-class fast attack craft- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ixiyen-class_fast_attack_craft 6. Kihraxz light fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kihraxz_light_fighter 7. Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rihkxyrk_Assault_Fighter 8. StarViper-class attack platform- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/StarViper-class_attack_platform 9. Stinger(Guri's ship)- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stinger 10. Supa Fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Supa_Fighter 11. Vaksai- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vaksai 12. Venator-class Star Destroyer- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator-class_Star_Destroyer 13. Virago(Xizor's ship)- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Virago 14. Z-95 HeadHunter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z-95_Headhunter 15. Nebulon B frigate- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/EF76_Nebulon-B_escort_frigate 16. A-wing- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RZ-1_A-wing_interceptor 17. Y-wing- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL_Y-wing_starfighter Also yes, pirates indeed used those ships. You see, that's all very nice, but it doesn't mean a whole lot. All I see here is a bunch of specifics about Xizor's ships. It seems to me that people are looking at all this specific info and are thinking: "This indicates Xizor has better ships." Perhaps Xizor does have better ships, but that's beside the point. My point is this: we don't know a whole lot about what Malgus specifically has when it comes to navy. Yet we seem to know a lot about Xizor's. This, in and of itself, doesn't mean that Xizor has better ships. Just because I don't know of 5 different fighters that Malgus had in his navy doesn't mean that his navy isn't as good as Xizor's. Am I making any since? I just felt that I needed to point this out because in many of our Kaggaths (especially when one of the Kaggath-peoples is from the movie's era) one of leaders will have a all these specifics and those specifics seem to indicate that the given leader has a better army/navy. This isn't the case. But regardless, I still feel that Xizor will win. I just wanted to point out what was on my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) You see, that's all very nice, but it doesn't mean a whole lot. All I see here is a bunch of specifics about Xizor's ships. It seems to me that people are looking at all this specific info and are thinking: "This indicates Xizor has better ships." Perhaps Xizor does have better ships, but that's beside the point. My point is this: we don't know a whole lot about what Malgus specifically has when it comes to navy. Yet we seem to know a lot about Xizor's. This, in and of itself, doesn't mean that Xizor has better ships. Just because I don't know of 5 different fighters that Malgus had in his navy doesn't mean that his navy isn't as good as Xizor's. Am I making any since? I just felt that I needed to point this out because in many of our Kaggaths (especially when one of the Kaggath-peoples is from the movie's era) one of leaders will have a all these specifics and those specifics seem to indicate that the given leader has a better army/navy. This isn't the case. But regardless, I still feel that Xizor will win. I just wanted to point out what was on my mind. If there is no specifics on ships then how do we know what Malgus has anyway? How are we suppose to tell just how good his ships are? We can't just go off of speculation of what they might be able to do. Its like...its like....ok here is an example... An assassin claims that his rifle can melt durasteel doors, but offers no proof or gives the details of his rifle. Now would you believe him based on what he just said, or would you want proof? Am not saying Malgus' ships can't be good...but without evidence how can we really tell? Edited January 7, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksaberexile Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 What role would the Voss as allies of Malgus play? It could further complicate a "faked death" or ambush on his space station by providing a warning. (Not sure if that's a valid point or not, first time posting in one of these) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted January 7, 2013 Author Share Posted January 7, 2013 What role would the Voss as allies of Malgus play? It could further complicate a "faked death" or ambush on his space station by providing a warning. (Not sure if that's a valid point or not, first time posting in one of these)That would be a valid point but they never actually joined Malgus (I believe). They said they would join is Serevin won his battle, but he lost. NOTE: I'll wrap this debate up later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted January 7, 2013 Author Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) IMPORTANT ANNOUCEMENT: THIS DEBATE IS CLOSED Victor: Prince Xizor Darth Malgus: 30 Prince Xizor: 33 May I turn your attention to Round 5: Darth Traya vs Darth Plagueis of the Kaggath Heats. Thanks for debating! That is all. Edited January 7, 2013 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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