RazielHex Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I just want to know why so many male hairstyles are some form of balding. Military Indoctrination. The only people who wouldn't be related to military indoctrination are Bounty Hunters and Smugglers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I feel like this is an issue for western developers. Asian developers don't seem to have any trouble making long flowing hair for both male and female avatars. See: Aion and Tera. Because those games were developed for (and by) an asian market mainly dominated by hormone-overflowing men who have a bizarre interest in making "pretty little girls with almost no clothes on", so they spent a ton of development on that instead of other things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec_Fortescue Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I don't believe it's because of clipping. Just a lazy design . Hair is already static as it is, nobody would mind long hair being "glued". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawa-Punter Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) It's traditional for BAMFs to have long hair. Just look at how many there are. http://labho.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/biker.jpg http://www.fullinbloommusic.com/images/dimebag_1.jpg http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/92/87992-004-9307AAD1.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ysbqAK-74JE/TFD-nsF2SMI/AAAAAAAACJQ/v6qR5Zqnpd4/s1600/Sacred+Heart+LG.gif http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2009/03/18/silas400.jpg http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/898/898576/top-25-star-wars-heroes-day-3-20080813022808255-000.jpg http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/56/5614/B5RVG00Z/posters/david-carradine-kung-fu.jpg http://robsmovievault.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/desperado.jpg http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/1436/427801_942.jpg http://www.ffcompendium.com/chara/7ac-sephiroth-1.jpg You can't be a BAMF without long hair. Just look at Samson and James Hetfield. If you cut off someone's hair they lose their powers and/or talent. Clipping issues most likely. No sure about why there's no curly hair if it's short though. In other words laziness, which is an excuse you don't get to make when you had a 200+ million dollar budget. Military Indoctrination. The only people who wouldn't be related to military indoctrination are Bounty Hunters and Smugglers. And Jedi and Sith and probably agents since they're supposed to be able to blend in at very un-military places. That's 5 out of 8 classes, more than half of them. Japanese MMOs have hair down your back all the time, PSU, PSO2... I think american artists just dont wanna deal with it. I hate it, personally. I'd love to have hair like mine on my characters. Those aren't MMOs. Lineage 2 would have been a better example. Even WoW lets you have long hair and it's almost a decade old. I've made lots of hair for some mod friendly games and I will tell you, it's a pain in the butt. Even once you get the gravity to function properly with the whole thing you have the issue with clothing sizes. So long hair would need to be modified to be able to lay against the body in medium and light armor and to float above the body - on top of the armor - in heavy armor, and anything that has hair over the shoulders will need to be programmed to go over chest pieces/breasts in various types of armor. Hair is a nightmare with clipping issues - and more than a few times I've completely thrown away an entire hair project because it was too much of a pita (or released it half-assed because people kept asking for it, but with a proper warning that it clipped like crazy or only had functional gravity from the shoulder up). As for curly hair, if you want hair that is truly curly from a 3D perspective, you're going to kill many graphics cards OR the hair will look bad on low settings. To keep that from happening you can lay a curly texture on top of a flat mesh, and it looks kind of curly depending on the angle you look at it from, but it's not really curly - which would probably satisfy some people, but lead to complaints from others. TL;DR, hair in video games is the freakin' devil and if everyone would just go bald already programmers would have an easier time getting content out. So go bald already! I'd rather have a whole new range of makeups and scars anyway. Or developers could just stop making ridiculous armor with Dracula collars and shoulder pads the size of small cars and it wouldn't be an issue. That's one thing I hate about this game is the hair styles. The options suck except for women for the most part. Can I get a Jedi Afro added to this please????? Am I the only one who just pictured Pulp Fiction Samuel L. Jackson in a Mace Windu robe doing his bible quote routine during the Palpatine fight? Edited December 9, 2012 by Jawa-Punter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoveeDSeeker Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 Ok, how about everyone find pics of people from Star wars with longer hair. Princess Layla had her hair in a long braid once I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawa-Punter Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Ok, how about everyone find pics of people from Star wars with longer hair. Princess Layla had her hair in a long braid once I remember. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Nihl http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Karness_Muur http://jediknight960.tripod.com/jinn6.jpg http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100423143633/starwars/images/b/b2/Padmegreenscrshot.jpg http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/actors_films_images/star_wars_carrie_fisher.jpg http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jarael http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Traya That's off the top of my head. I have somewhere to go, but give me a while and I'll be back with more. There's plenty of long hair in Starwars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoveeDSeeker Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) Ok, how about everyone find pics of people from Star wars with longer hair. Princess Layla had her hair in a long braid once I remember. 1. http://conspir.antville.org/static/conspir/images/starwars000001.jpg 2. http://www.georgettesworld.com/main/swleia2.jpg Edited December 9, 2012 by KoveeDSeeker Need spaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoveeDSeeker Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 Thank you for sharing your pics. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Nihl http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Karness_Muur http://jediknight960.tripod.com/jinn6.jpg http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100423143633/starwars/images/b/b2/Padmegreenscrshot.jpg http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/actors_films_images/star_wars_carrie_fisher.jpg http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jarael http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Traya That's off the top of my head. I have somewhere to go, but give me a while and I'll be back with more. There's plenty of long hair in Starwars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawa-Punter Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Siri_Tachi http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Zannah http://es.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ludo_Kressh http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Stryfe http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Johun_Othone http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sarro_Xaj http://www.swx.it/databank/index.php?title=File:Xoxaan_2.jpg http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Celeste_Morne http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jariah_Syn http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosk_Trey'lis http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Maladi http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ganner_Krieg http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rawk I think I've proven my point already that plenty of people in Starwars had long hair, both male and female. I could dig up more if I needed to though. Edited December 9, 2012 by Jawa-Punter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 There is not long hair or curly hair? Why is that? Medium length would be ok. A barber shop too. No one knows........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoveeDSeeker Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 No one knows........... Lol, some body does...I know a new sub classs barber shop Jedi.lol Wookie barber would be epic.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nateslice Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 There's a cool short afro for male characters, but that's the only real curly hair option. Here it is on my Trooper... http://imgur.com/PK23T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielHex Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 And Jedi and Sith and probably agents since they're supposed to be able to blend in at very un-military places. That's 5 out of 8 classes, more than half of them. Just the opposite. Their brand of disciplinarian upbringing and teaching is much like military indoctrination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawa-Punter Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Just the opposite. Their brand of disciplinarian upbringing and teaching is much like military indoctrination. Except when it comes to hair styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_of_Flames Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Hair is but only a small spec of the problem. Since beta I've always disliked the character creation system. It's extremely shallow and leaves no room for freedom and creativity. My fourth character, who I designed as a tank, started from the character creation screen. I picked all the options that would display my character as strong like a tank. However, by the time I got to Coruscant, I found at least 3 different players, whom I've never met before, with a majority of the same choices of character design as me. In fact, there was one player who looked EXACTLY like me: Same hair style/color, same species, same facial markings and eye color. Even the same skin tone and body type. In fact, the only difference between his character and mine was the fact that he was a vanguard and I was a shadow. So yes, while I do believe there should be more hair options in the game. I also believe that there should be more options of everything else as well! And yes, I completely understand it will impact the performance in game. But I honestly think something needs to be done to make asset calls into the HDD quicker and more efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoveeDSeeker Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 Thank you for your input. Hair is but only a small spec of the problem. Since beta I've always disliked the character creation system. It's extremely shallow and leaves no room for freedom and creativity. My fourth character, who I designed as a tank, started from the character creation screen. I picked all the options that would display my character as strong like a tank. However, by the time I got to Coruscant, I found at least 3 different players, whom I've never met before, with a majority of the same choices of character design as me. In fact, there was one player who looked EXACTLY like me: Same hair style/color, same species, same facial markings and eye color. Even the same skin tone and body type. In fact, the only difference between his character and mine was the fact that he was a vanguard and I was a shadow. So yes, while I do believe there should be more hair options in the game. I also believe that there should be more options of everything else as well! And yes, I completely understand it will impact the performance in game. But I honestly think something needs to be done to make asset calls into the HDD quicker and more efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nozybidaj Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Clipping hair is taboo for Bioware. See mass effect, dragon age (I and II), kotor I ... But clipping Lekku are okay. No I think its more likely they were just too lazy to add good long hair options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglec Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 The hair has bugged me from. The start, most of the options look crap. Lotro manages nice long and flowing hair models, it might be tricky but that's no reason not to bother on a game like this. I did recently notice that some hair models do actually move with gravity, or at least parts of the hair do. Still, needs to be improved and a barber shop. I stopped playing my smuggler for ages because his hair model changed after a patch a few weeks after launch and he looks like legolas now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoveeDSeeker Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 My toon goes bald sometimes. I joke with guid it is too much dark side..lol The hair has bugged me from. The start, most of the options look crap. Lotro manages nice long and flowing hair models, it might be tricky but that's no reason not to bother on a game like this. I did recently notice that some hair models do actually move with gravity, or at least parts of the hair do. Still, needs to be improved and a barber shop. I stopped playing my smuggler for ages because his hair model changed after a patch a few weeks after launch and he looks like legolas now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegaPhone Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Actually its stupid. Its a simple solution. The hair is only long with no helmet being being equipped, and when equipped, the hair is treated as some other style such as 'helmet hair'. There would be no clipping other than the possibility on the main chest armor, but that is something they should be able to develop, and something the game engine should be able handle. So the only excuse is they can't code the hair to not clip into the chest piece, or the engine can't handle it. That sounds weak. Edited December 10, 2012 by VegaPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoveeDSeeker Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 They did make it so you could hide your helm if you wanted too so maybe that why cause they know we have a wish to ride our speeders and see our hair stream out behind us .lol Or better yet our long braids to swing around as we fight and some how not get chopped off. lol Actually its stupid. Its a simple solution. The hair is only long with no helmet being being equipped, and when equipped, the hair is treated as some other style such as 'helmet hair'. There would be no clipping other than the possibility on the main chest armor, but that is something they should be able to develop, and something the game engine should be able handle. So the only excuse is they can't code the hair to not clip into the chest piece, or the engine can't handle it. That sounds weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Lol, some body does...I know a new sub classs barber shop Jedi.lol Wookie barber would be epic.lol Yeah someone does. But it seems Bioware is incapable of making them for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prysha Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Clipping hair yeah but yet my cloak / coat is stil clipping with my vehicle somtimes i personally woudl liek to see longer hair but not needed... IF they add they neeed to make us able to recustomize our characters... wich i would like to see even without the long ahair XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Clipping hair yeah but yet my cloak / coat is stil clipping with my vehicle somtimes i personally woudl liek to see longer hair but not needed... IF they add they neeed to make us able to recustomize our characters... wich i would like to see even without the long ahair XD Strangely though you go bald (i.e. hair is deleted) if you wear a hood, helmet or most hats....... so it shouldn't clip too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoveeDSeeker Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Yes in some cut screens my toon goes bald.lol Strangely though you go bald (i.e. hair is deleted) if you wear a hood, helmet or most hats....... so it shouldn't clip too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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