Ledvan Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Hello my name is Clockwork, keeper of the records at the Red Eclipse unoffical server found here http://www.redeclipse.eu/redeclipse.eu/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=441&p=6530#p6530 This is just a little heads up to BW in regards to how much the Smash/Sweep spec is dominating all in PVP. Let me show you a few vital records from our server.. Total Damage in a match Serverbest:- Mreek @ 1.55m Imperial 1:- Mreek @ 1.55m Imperial 2:- Zar'rok @ 1.25m Imperial 3:- Ohhsookiss @ 1.08m Republic 1:- Ully @ 1.197m Republic 2:- Morrokei @ 1.16m Republic 3:- Draki @ 1.143m All of these guys except Zar'rok who is a PT, are Smash/sweep spec. Serverbest:- Gosia @ 1662 Imperial 1:- Muall @ 1345.61 Imperial 2:- Zorth @ 1130.78Imperial 3:- Telbosio @ 1126 Republic 1:- Gosia @ 1662 Republic 2:- Draki @ 1530 Republic 3:- Gosia @ 1411 Again, except for Telbosio (opertive), all are Smashers, and let me inform you that the guys in 4th 5th and 6th that are not included in our records were all Smashers. As you can see with the odd exception of a few lucky matches from the PT and Operative our records are dominated by this spec, its running wild on our server, Rank is pretty much 4/5 Smashers and a few Op/Scound healers. I was in a game yesterday with 6 smashers (FOTM much?). And as for the 7k smash on this forum now, thats nothing, we have Juggs smashing for 8k and 9k, most top end sents smash for 7k. The 1.3 Records show that PT's were crazy OP, myself having the old highest dps record for my PT of 1453.54 with the top dmg being actually from a Assassin tank. In 1.3 we also had Commando DPS doing very good dmg and dps along with a Sorc, so a pretty mixed bag in 1.3. You nerfed the PT's to a decent level and i would say were ok as we are, but now its time to act on smash spec. You need to address this issue and if you dont you WILL lose alot more subs than you are already, at least tell us theres going to be some class changes in the future, your silence is helping no one stay. Thank you. Clockwork Jedikiller - TRE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siorac Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Muall's no longer a lolsmasher. Just thought you should know. Still, regular warzones ARE dominated by the likes of Gosia, Kravn, Nyvani etc. Smashing is running rampant, with the added result that all too often these days I see guys with 15k HP in Shii-cho form - you just gotta love them rerollers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thamightyboro Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Theres only more on the way 70% of all players on RE in the 1-49 bracket are lolsmashers some are hitting for 4k crits already. Been solidly 1-49 PVP for the last 2 weeks now and its getting a bit beyond a joke majority are dumb and can be facerolled but those odd good guys you cant do much against when they are opening with a move that wipes 3rd of your health pool at those levels. Worse still you get 4 jump at the same time goodnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SajPl Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Pyro was out of control, but the pyro fotm was never as bad as lolsmashfotm ...Still in my oppinion sents are a bigger problem, a jugg tank is a one trick pony, can be dealth with, a sent has a neverending stream of 2.5k slashes that lower the cd of smash, full centering to get the stacks of singularity and on top of that, because of the cooldowns, they take AGES to kill. Edited November 27, 2012 by SajPl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snine Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) 5 char Edited November 30, 2012 by snine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusFTW Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Every other server "DPS" records i have seen have been dominated by smashers as well. They're also doing the same amount of dps as top record holders from previous patches like.. almost every other wz.. working as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SajPl Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 You cant base all your generalizations off a few few "pvp records" Why not ? They clearly show that smash is THE dps spec for pvp, 4/5 top dps and highiest damage are smashsers, that does prove a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elear Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 This is just a little heads up to BW in regards to how much the Smash/Sweep spec is dominating all in PVP. Just how exactly records from matches where one team steamrolled other sre supposed to display that one spec is better than other? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravashakk Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) It is the same on other servers. Total dmg, biggest hit, and dps are mostly held by smashers. Edited November 27, 2012 by Ravashakk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancer Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Well the solution is clear, that one lone operative needs a nerf, that dirsty SOB.. Edited November 27, 2012 by Mancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusFTW Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 nerf lethality operatives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siorac Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Nerf Gunnery Commandos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledvan Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 Just how exactly records from matches where one team steamrolled other sre supposed to display that one spec is better than other? Just curious. Even if that was true, then why is it only 1 spec that is dominating? Thats not how this game should be, 1 spec dominating all, which is happening now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharterMonkKent Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 This reminds me of people posting screen shots of healing in the millions. I assume there were a few in those matches. These are stalemate numbers, that is, not great for proving points in either direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atramar Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Most important thing. Were those games won? How many kills it actually ment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snine Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) 5 char Edited November 30, 2012 by snine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesixxpack Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Yesterday evening on POT5 (US East) I played sub-50 with a sniper I'm leveling and found this predictable although hilarious scenario: I played 5 or 6 matches. In 3 of the matches, 7 out of 8 of the opposing team were knight or warrior. My teams fortunately were all mixed except one, where I ended up with a bunch of jr. warriors and lo and behold we were trounced. With mixed teams though we crushed them embarassingly without trying. I remember a few of the past FOTM phases being as ridiculous or worse, but am having fun with this one since they're pure sniper and GS fodder. Edited November 27, 2012 by Joesixxpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PloGreen Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Those numbers are not meaningless. Those players are players that know how to get a lot our of their classes and this just proves its a lot easier to get silly damage from smash spec than any other spec right now. Stack those classes in that spec and the problems are magnified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellosmomishot Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Same trend on the harbinger: Total Damage: 1) U'should (1.25M) - Smash spec2) Akhilio (1.18M) - Smash spec3) Chukles (1.12M) - Balance shadow4) Agapex (1.11M) - Pyro Powertech5) Cristine (1.04M) - Smash spec Damage per second: 1) Nekron (1574.52) - Smash spec2) Tuloc (1427.19) - Smash spec3) Sirlen (1342.96) - Smash spec4) Vullesh (1249.98) - Smash spec5) Perdigon (1242.12) - Smash spec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elear Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Even if that was true, then why is it only 1 spec that is dominating? Thats not how this game should be, 1 spec dominating all, which is happening now. AoE. That's all. PT also has decent AoE capabilities, Merc/Commando in such match would most likely also get great results(but won't since most people don't take them to premades). If enemy team has fast enough respawn or healers that are not quckly killed, it's almost like hitting dummy, with one or two more standing nearby and getting hit by AoE. And since Rage/Focus is based around that one AoE atack, it plays biggest role even in their single target damage, it gets most benefit of enemies that are clustered together. Now, I'm not saying Smashspec is fine or not, only that is has affinity to pulling big numbers in very good conditions. And very good conditions are not best environment to determine true value of spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharterMonkKent Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Those numbers are not meaningless. Those players are players that know how to get a lot our of their classes and this just proves its a lot easier to get silly damage from smash spec than any other spec right now. Stack those classes in that spec and the problems are magnified. I'll say it again. Those are probably stalemate matches. The numbers are not meaningless, they do prove some things. They prove that: 1. the damage wasn't enough to kill guarded healers or 2. the teams were building high numbers on purpose to get best in server numbers. why do you think that site exists? or 3. one team wasn't winning on purpose to again, get high numbers. I see this a few times a week on The Bastion in non rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungihoujo Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Well the solution is clear, that one lone operative needs a nerf, that dirsty SOB.. Yup, nerf operatives- as sents/guardians are telling us in other threads- if you nerf classes that aren't them, that's actually a nerf to sents/guardians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobtee Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I'm just curious who is suppose to have the highest DPS at the end of a match? When OP's were on top everybody QQ, then came sages and everybody QQ, when powertech's where on top here came the flood of QQ's, when merc's where flourishing on top of the DPS mountain QQ's brought the mountain down on our heads. Now that warriors and knights are reigning DPS kings here comes the villagers with QQ's. So please answer me this who is suppose to be on top of the DPS chart? Once the "LOLSmashers" as you call them, get nerfed who will be on the QQ'ers radar then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledvan Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 AoE. That's all. PT also has decent AoE capabilities, Merc/Commando in such match would most likely also get great results(but won't since most people don't take them to premades). If enemy team has fast enough respawn or healers that are not quckly killed, it's almost like hitting dummy, with one or two more standing nearby and getting hit by AoE. And since Rage/Focus is based around that one AoE atack, it plays biggest role even in their single target damage, it gets most benefit of enemies that are clustered together. Now, I'm not saying Smashspec is fine or not, only that is has affinity to pulling big numbers in very good conditions. And very good conditions are not best environment to determine true value of spec. Do you actually play PVP, the records show the trend on TRE and across other servers that this class is dominating, but all you have to do is login and play PVP for yourself to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungihoujo Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I'm just curious who is suppose to have the highest DPS at the end of a match? When OP's were on top everybody QQ, then came sages and everybody QQ, when powertech's where on top here came the flood of QQ's, when merc's where flourishing on top of the DPS mountain QQ's brought the mountain down on our heads. Now that warriors and knights are reigning DPS kings here comes the villagers with QQ's. So please answer me this who is suppose to be on top of the DPS chart? Once the "LOLSmashers" as you call them, get nerfed who will be on the QQ'ers radar then? Translation- I whined and whined til I got all these other classes huge nerfs and that was ok- but now that you're trying to get my class nerfed whining isn't the right way. /sith warrior and jedi knight logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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