That Star Wars Anime you have been waiting for

[Wolfninjajedi]

Really? REALLY?

 

Where do I even begin?

 

Let's start with the pacification of the Mandalorians. Mandalorians would have never converted to pacifism, mostly because they're nomadic farmers, not a society. They're not ruled by a dutchess, a queen, an archduke, a count, a countess, a marquis, a king, an emperor, an empress- they're ruled by a Mand'alor.

 

Asajj Ventress- well, WELL established she is of Rattataki descent, but suddenly, just to tickle his own fancy, Dave Filoni converts her to a Dathomiri Nightsister, thus nullifying established cannon.

 

How about General Grievous? He was always supposed to be a cold, calculating villain, not the screaming, whining, impotent moron he is in The Clone Wars.

 

Adi Gallia and Eeth Koth were ESTABLISHED as DEAD. Yet the Clone Wars has them running hither and thither for no reason what so ever.

 

Darth Maul- this totally galls me. NO ONE, no matter how 'strong in the Force' (and Darth Maul wasn't. It's established he was NOTHING but a TOOL) would survive being cut in half and then falling hundreds of meters. He's D-E-A-D. He's not even a good character. He's a rambling, pathetic stereotype of how people think Sith ought to be. Not the covert, secretive, manipulative Sith, but some snarling, unimpressive imbecile.

 

Anakin's constant whining, his 'I'm awesome' attitude (well, he was like that in the movie, too)

 

Darth Sidious fighting Darth Maul. No, no, no, no. Stupid, idiotic, and just plain fruity. Darth Sidious was the pennicle of the Dark Lords of the Sith. He doesn't run around the galaxy killing people- in fact, it's he who says the future of the Sith will hinge on political cunning, not brute aggression.

 

Jar Jar Binks. Enough stated.

 

Ahsoka Tano- a whiny, two-bit brat who makes no sense and doesn't fit into the Star Wars continuity one bit.

 

 

All in all: The total ignorance of established lore, good novels, comics and so on that have been overturned. The resurrection of Darth Maul (just one stupid choice in a long line of them), Grievous's failure as a character, the blocky, failed lightsaber fighting, the pacifistic Mandalorians, the plots that don't make sense, Jar Jar.

 

And don't tell me The Clone Wars is for children. When was the last time a kid was interested in watching the Senate debate deregulation of the banks? And this much violence? Obviously this is meant to be for both kids and adults, and that is why, like the prequels, it fails. Fails hard- but it doesn't just fail on its own. It drags other established cannon down with it. George Lucas must be sniffing something good to lavish this many millions of dollars on Dave Filoni's failure.

 

Rest in Peace, Star Wars. We hardly knew ye.

 

None of that really is destructive to Star Wars.

 

1. Socities can change over time, and then go right back to what they once were. So why can't the Mandolorians have a one time change?

 

2. While I dislike the fact that Maul survived, blame the constant whining of fans of Maul. But even ignoring that, a sith lord survived with his head being cut off....so that is more ridiclious then someone being chopped in half. Boba shouldn't have survived the sarlacc either, yet he escaped...if you don't see a character's dead body then they aren't dead. (Always thought that was a stupid rule though myself.)

 

3. Ahsoka- Whiny? Two-bit?....I'll admit, I don't like her all that much but I haven't seen her come across as such.

 

4. Anakin- Again...whining? I'm not sure where people get all this from.

 

5. Gervious in ROTS was portrayed as a coward, as such in TCW he is portrayed as such and only fights when he is sure enough that he has a chance to win. I don't know where you got that he is cold and calculating.

 

Like it or not TCW is for a mature auidence, and it doesn't fail otherwise if it did why is it going on for another season? Many people watch the show, you can't say anything in entertainment fails because its all opinion based. You may think the prequels failed, but I thought they were good...see? Opinion, not fact thats all entertainment is. You can't have facts for a tv show/movie, because some may like it some may don't.

Edited September 28, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[Aurbere]

None of that really is destructive to Star Wars.

 

1. Socities can change over time, and then go right back to what they once were. So why can't the Mandolorians have a one time change?

 

2. While I dislike the fact that Maul survived, blame the constant whining of fans of Maul. But even ignoring that, a sith lord survived with his head being cut off....so that is more ridiclious then someone being chopped in half. Boba shouldn't have survived the sarlacc either, yet he escaped...if you don't see a character's dead body then they aren't dead. (Always thought that was a stupid rule though myself.)

 

3. Ahsoka- Whiny? Two-bit?....I'll admit, I don't like her all that much but I haven't seen her come across as such.

 

4. Anakin- Again...whining? I'm not sure where people get all this from.

 

5. Gervious in ROTS was portrayed as a coward, as such in TCW he is portrayed as such and only fights when he is sure enough that he has a chance to win. I don't know where you got that he is cold and calculating.

 

Like it or not TCW is for a mature auidence, and it doesn't fail otherwise if it did why is it going on for another season? Many people watch the show, you can't say anything in entertainment fails because its all opinion based. You may think the prequels failed, but I thought they were good...see? Opinion, not fact thats all entertainment is. You can't have facts for a tv show/movie, because some may like it some may don't.

 

1. True. Societies change over time, but the Mandalorian society has always been a war-mongering society. Old habits die hard. I'd like to see what exactly happened to make the Mandalorians pacifists.

 

2. Bringing Maul back was the worst idea ever. Not the worst, but pretty bad. It made Qui-Gon's death pretty meaningless as well as Obi-Wan's victory in the subsequent duel.

 

"I killed him Master!"

"Yeah? Well too bad! He's coming back in a few years. I'm just gonna die now."

 

3. She comes off as kind of a brat early on. She may have matured, but she's taken on too many of Anakin's traits to become a proper Jedi.

 

4. Don't see the problem with Anakin whining. He's always been a whiner.

 

5. Yes, Grievous was portrayed as a coward. But then the writers of the EU books expanded on his history. They turned him into a warlord. What I don't like about the TCW depiction of Grievous is that they always have him lose fights that he could win.

 

6. Agreed. I like the show for the most part, but it messes with a lot of established canon. But since it is second on the canon list, they are entitled to do so.

[caesaraugust]

1. True. Societies change over time, but the Mandalorian society has always been a war-mongering society. Old habits die hard. I'd like to see what exactly happened to make the Mandalorians pacifists.

 

2. Bringing Maul back was the worst idea ever. Not the worst, but pretty bad. It made Qui-Gon's death pretty meaningless as well as Obi-Wan's victory in the subsequent duel.

 

"I killed him Master!"

"Yeah? Well too bad! He's coming back in a few years. I'm just gonna die now."

 

3. She comes off as kind of a brat early on. She may have matured, but she's taken on too many of Anakin's traits to become a proper Jedi.

 

4. Don't see the problem with Anakin whining. He's always been a whiner.

 

5. Yes, Grievous was portrayed as a coward. But then the writers of the EU books expanded on his history. They turned him into a warlord. What I don't like about the TCW depiction of Grievous is that they always have him lose fights that he could win.

 

6. Agreed. I like the show for the most part, but it messes with a lot of established canon. But since it is second on the canon list, they are entitled to do so.

 

Ahhh, someone with a voice of reason and knowledge of what is quality.

 

Mandalorians were not a society. They were a guild, a club, broken up, scattered. Mandalore was NEVER the site of heavy nuclear warfare. It was farmland, and the Mandalorians were family-loving guns for hire. What would compel them, suddenly and without reason, to band together as a bunch of spineless pacifists under some woman who just comes up from the shadows? NOTHING. It makes 0.000000 sense. None. Whatsoever.

 

I don't know which Sith Lord survived with his head cut off (although I'll bet he was Post-EP VI), but Maul's dead, bro. Dead. Gone. Over. Done with. He wasn't a good character. Wasn't an interesting character. Not cool, not bad-***, nothing. He should have never been in the movies, and despite what some obscure comic book says, he should never be in The Clone Wars. Otherwise, wouldn't every other piece of established lore have mentioned his existence? The Jedi never even knew his name. Ever. Read Revenge of the Sith, it states so. Read Darth Plagueis, it states so.

 

Ahsoka's annoying, obnoxious, and just doesn't fit in. I'm hoping she dies and we're done with her.

 

Eeth Koth was on a Republic gunship that blew up with Mace Windu, Ki-Adi-Mundi and Kit Fisto watching. It was established he was dead. There's Agen Kolar- why did they even need or want to resurrect Koth? He was a nothing, a throw-away character. Dumb decision.

 

Grievous...he NEEDS to be cold, calculating, ominous. Not a snarling, almost comedic idiot. The original (and in my opinion, the ONLY) Clone Wars series did him perfectly. He's absolutely, undeniably perfect. But it's a mark of this generation- no one seems to get that saying less says so much more. Instead we need to watch Grievous wave around his glowing phalluses every time we see him, as if the writers think we're too stupid to understand what he's really supposed to be.

 

Darth Sidious would have never fought Darth Maul like he's about to. Wanna know why? That's not how the Sith WORK! They've NEVER worked like that. Sidious NEVER really considered Maul his apprentice, or his heir, or the one who would carry on the Sith Imperative. It's cannon that Plagueis and Sidious intended to live- and consequently- rule together. Maul had one, singular purpose: to reveal the Sith. He did his job. Now let that loser be dead.

 

Anakin is possibly the worst character I've ever seen. He was supposed to be a hell of a guy. A good friend, a cunning warrior, an expert pilot, a great Jedi. The Anakin we know is a loudmouthed, whining, complaining, rude, arrogant, ignorant piece of stupid that I'd like to strangle. There's nothing about him that would compel Padme to fall in love with him- especially when he tells her he slaughtered an entire village of women and children, and all she says is, "To be angry is to be human."

I wish my girlfriend would let me get away with genocide, but she wouldn't. We're real people. Not stiff, wooden, poorly written fantasies dreamed up by a man with too much power and no idea how to put a coherent story together. And it looks like Dave Filoni has inherited these traits. History repeats itself.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Ahhh, someone with a voice of reason and knowledge of what is quality.

 

Mandalorians were not a society. They were a guild, a club, broken up, scattered. Mandalore was NEVER the site of heavy nuclear warfare. It was farmland, and the Mandalorians were family-loving guns for hire. What would compel them, suddenly and without reason, to band together as a bunch of spineless pacifists under some woman who just comes up from the shadows? NOTHING. It makes 0.000000 sense. None. Whatsoever.

 

I don't know which Sith Lord survived with his head cut off (although I'll bet he was Post-EP VI), but Maul's dead, bro. Dead. Gone. Over. Done with. He wasn't a good character. Wasn't an interesting character. Not cool, not bad-***, nothing. He should have never been in the movies, and despite what some obscure comic book says, he should never be in The Clone Wars. Otherwise, wouldn't every other piece of established lore have mentioned his existence? The Jedi never even knew his name. Ever. Read Revenge of the Sith, it states so. Read Darth Plagueis, it states so.

 

Ahsoka's annoying, obnoxious, and just doesn't fit in. I'm hoping she dies and we're done with her.

 

Eeth Koth was on a Republic gunship that blew up with Mace Windu, Ki-Adi-Mundi and Kit Fisto watching. It was established he was dead. There's Agen Kolar- why did they even need or want to resurrect Koth? He was a nothing, a throw-away character. Dumb decision.

 

Grievous...he NEEDS to be cold, calculating, ominous. Not a snarling, almost comedic idiot. The original (and in my opinion, the ONLY) Clone Wars series did him perfectly. He's absolutely, undeniably perfect. But it's a mark of this generation- no one seems to get that saying less says so much more. Instead we need to watch Grievous wave around his glowing phalluses every time we see him, as if the writers think we're too stupid to understand what he's really supposed to be.

 

Darth Sidious would have never fought Darth Maul like he's about to. Wanna know why? That's not how the Sith WORK! They've NEVER worked like that. Sidious NEVER really considered Maul his apprentice, or his heir, or the one who would carry on the Sith Imperative. It's cannon that Plagueis and Sidious intended to live- and consequently- rule together. Maul had one, singular purpose: to reveal the Sith. He did his job. Now let that loser be dead.

 

Anakin is possibly the worst character I've ever seen. He was supposed to be a hell of a guy. A good friend, a cunning warrior, an expert pilot, a great Jedi. The Anakin we know is a loudmouthed, whining, complaining, rude, arrogant, ignorant piece of stupid that I'd like to strangle. There's nothing about him that would compel Padme to fall in love with him- especially when he tells her he slaughtered an entire village of women and children, and all she says is, "To be angry is to be human."

I wish my girlfriend would let me get away with genocide, but she wouldn't. We're real people. Not stiff, wooden, poorly written fantasies dreamed up by a man with too much power and no idea how to put a coherent story together. And it looks like Dave Filoni has inherited these traits. History repeats itself.

 

Actually the sith lord that survived was pre the PT era, way back when.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Simus

 

The original Clone Wars show was just a bunch of over the top action sequences. The characters were portayed so far as being over powered it was ridiclious, am actually surprised that Mundi survived as long as he did against Grevious. More to it, it completely shows a different Grevious to the G-canon one that is seen in EP 3 so his character was being inconsistent in that show. Though I guess you can make up for that, being when Windu crushed his chest it imparied his movement and fighting ability.

 

Can agree on him fighting Maul as being a dumb move, but were not talking about that were talking about Maul coming back. Which again, its explained by that rule "no dead body, the character can still be alive." Whoever came up with said rule is ridiclious.

 

Eh? I have seen Anakin as a good jedi in the show, as far as him killing the Sand People tribe Sand People as far as everyone knows aren't human. They are mindless and savage beings, preying on settlers and teaching their kids to become killers....theres nothing remotely good with them doesn't matter that there were woman and childern they weren't human, they are monsters that can walk on two legs and use blasters.

 

But anyway, I think were getting a little off topic here with this thread. Even if the video has been taken down.

Edited September 28, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[caesaraugust]

Actually the sith lord that survived was pre the PT era, way back when.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Simus

 

The original Clone Wars show was just a bunch of over the top action sequences. The characters were portayed so far as being over powered it was ridiclious, am actually surprised that Mundi survived as long as he did against Grevious. More to it, it completely shows a different Grevious to the G-canon one that is seen in EP 3 so his character was being inconsistent in that show. Though I guess you can make up for that, being when Windu crushed his chest it imparied his movement and fighting ability.

 

Can agree on him fighting Maul as being a dumb move, but were not talking about that were talking about Maul coming back. Which again, its explained by that rule "no dead body, the character can still be alive." Whoever came up with said rule is ridiclious.

 

Eh? I have seen Anakin as a good jedi in the show, as far as him killing the Sand People tribe Sand People as far as everyone knows aren't human. They are mindless and savage beings, preying on settlers and teaching their kids to become killers....theres nothing remotely good with them doesn't matter that there were woman and childern they weren't human, they are monsters that can walk on two legs and use blasters.

 

But anyway, I think were getting a little off topic here with this thread. Even if the video has been taken down.

 

About the Sand People....still. If you went and butchered a pride of lions, and then came back and ranted how you slaughtered the king, the huntresses and the cubs...I doubt your girlfriend or prospective romantic interest would be thrilled...

[Wolfninjajedi]

About the Sand People....still. If you went and butchered a pride of lions, and then came back and ranted how you slaughtered the king, the huntresses and the cubs...I doubt your girlfriend or prospective romantic interest would be thrilled...

 

Eh...thats not really good analogy, I mean lions don't go out of their way to hunt down and kill humans. For the most part, if you leave animals alone they will leave you alone. Sand People, attack humans, raid campsites and all that, taking people to do sacrifices and all that noise. I mean one of their rituals actually involves, the youth going out, capturing a creature and fatally torturing it to death the biggest being an actual sentient being.

 

Would your GF be pissed that you killed a Lion pride? Sure because they were just minding their own business, with Tuskens however...they do things a Lion pride wouldn't do.

Edited September 28, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[caesaraugust]

Eh...thats not really good analogy, I mean lions don't go out of their way to hunt down and kill humans. For the most part, if you leave animals alone they will leave you alone. Sand People, attack humans, raid campsites and all that, taking people to do sacrifices and all that noise. I mean one of their rituals actually involves, the youth going out, capturing a creature and fatally torturing it to death the biggest being an actual sentient being.

 

Would your GF be pissed that you killed a Lion pride? Sure because they were just minding their own business, with Tuskens however...they do things a Lion pride wouldn't do.

 

The Tuskens see humans as interlopers. Illegal immigrants and threats to their way of life. The Tuskens are still sentient beings and do exactly what they do because humans are on Tatooine, when it, by all rights, belongs to the Tuskens. It is their homeworld.

[CassusVerda]

The Tuskens see humans as interlopers. Illegal immigrants and threats to their way of life. The Tuskens are still sentient beings and do exactly what they do because humans are on Tatooine, when it, by all rights, belongs to the Tuskens. It is their homeworld.

 

Then by all means they should expect something like what Anakin did to happen to them in the first place. Violence regardless if they feel it's justified only begets more violence which most of the time is also justified by the attackers.

Edited September 28, 2012 by CassusVerda

[Wolfninjajedi]

The Tuskens see humans as interlopers. Illegal immigrants and threats to their way of life. The Tuskens are still sentient beings and do exactly what they do because humans are on Tatooine, when it, by all rights, belongs to the Tuskens. It is their homeworld.

 

Doesn't give them the right to attack others, take their stuff and kill them.

[Aurbere]

The Tuskens see humans as interlopers. Illegal immigrants and threats to their way of life. The Tuskens are still sentient beings and do exactly what they do because humans are on Tatooine, when it, by all rights, belongs to the Tuskens. It is their homeworld.

 

That's like saying that earthlings can attack any aliens that would come. Not saying that aliens do or do not exist, just making an analogy.

[caesaraugust]

That's like saying that earthlings can attack any aliens that would come. Not saying that aliens do or do not exist, just making an analogy.

 

The humans came and did the same to the Tuskens. They have every justification to do whatever they please to these invaders. It is their planet, after all.

[Aurbere]

The humans came and did the same to the Tuskens. They have every justification to do whatever they please to these invaders. It is their planet, after all.

 

What if the first human settlers arrived to Tatooine in peace. Then the tusken raiders would have no reason to attack.

 

You have a point about them doing what they please on their planet, but that doesn't really give them the right to attack people that come in peace. America doesn't kill immigrants.