HileyQuiggley Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) Power version, the one I'm not fond of Head: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Nimble Mod 26 53 Aim 32 Endurance 41 Crit Advanced Battle Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Crit 57 Surge Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 139 Aim 120 Endurance 82 Crit 57 Surge Chest: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Nimble Mod 26 53 Aim 32 Endurance 41 Crit Advanced Battle Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Crit 57 Surge Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 139 Aim 120 Endurance 82 Crit 57 Surge Hands: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 53 Aim 32 Endurance 41 Power Advanced Adept Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Surge Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 139 Aim 120 Endurance 82 Power 57 Surge Legs: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 53 Aim 32 Endurance 41 Power Advanced Initiative Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Accuracy Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 139 Aim 120 Endurance 82 Power 57 Accuracy Feet: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 53 Aim 32 Endurance 41 Power Advanced Initiative Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Accuracy Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 139 Aim 120 Endurance 82 Power 57 Accuracy Weapon: Custom Advanced Reflex Barrell 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 53 Aim 32 Endurance 41 Power Advanced Initiative Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Accuracy Advanced Color Crystal 41 Power Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 139 Aim 120 Endurance 123 Power 57 Accuracy Offhand Generator: Campaign 113 Aim 93 Endurance 84 Power 57 Surge Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 131 Aim 105 Endurance 84 Power 57 Surge Wrists: Custom Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Nimble Mod 26 53 Aim 32 Endurance 41 Crit Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 139 Aim 93 Endurance 41 Crit Belt: Custom Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 53 Aim 32 Endurance 41 Power Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 139 Aim 93 Endurance 41 Power Implant #1: Black Hole Annihilator's MK-1 Enhancer 102 Aim 87 Endurance 71 Power 57 Accuracy Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 120 Aim 99 Endurance 71 Power 57 Accuracy Implant #2: Black Hole Annihilator's MK-1 Enhancer 102 Aim 87 Endurance 71 Power 57 Accuracy Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 120 Aim 99 Endurance 71 Power 57 Accuracy Earpiece: Black Hole Boltblasters MK-1 Device 102 Aim 87 Endurance 71 Crit 57 Surge Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 120 Aim 99 Endurance 71 Crit 57 Surge Relic #1: War Hero Relic of Boundless Ages 41 Endurance 113 Power 57 Expertise Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 18 Aim 53 Endurance 113 Power 57 Expertise Relic #2: War Hero Relic of Boundless Ages 41 Endurance 113 Power 57 Expertise Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Total= 18 Aim 53 Endurance 113 Power 57 Expertise All Stats Aim= 1639 Gear, 250 Base, 9% Skills, 5% Buff, 128 Exotech, 40 Datacrons (2355) Endurance= 1414 Gear, 225 Base, 5% Buff, 40 Datacrons (1761) Power= 862 Power (1060 Bonus Tech Damage) (730 Bonus Base Damage) Critical= 276 (38% Base/Buffed) (39% Tech/Buffed) Surge= 285 (75.8%) Accuracy= 285 (99.9% Base / 109.9% Tech) Fully Buffed Looking at: 2355 Aim 20350 Health 1060 Tech Damage 730 Base Damage 38% Base Crit Chance 39% Tech Crit Chance 76% Crit Multiplier 100% Accuracy Base 110% Accuracy Tech Aim Version.... Head: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 68 Aim 41 Endurance 12 Power Advanced Adept Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Surge Total= 154 Aim 129 Endurance 53 Power 57 Surge Chest: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 68 Aim 41 Endurance 12 Power Advanced Adept Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Surge Total= 154 Aim 129 Endurance 53 Power 57 Surge Gloves: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 68 Aim 41 Endurance 12 Power Advanced Initiative Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Accuracy Total= 154 Aim 129 Endurance 53 Power 57 Accuracy Legs: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 68 Aim 41 Endurance 12 Power Advanced Initiative Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Accuracy Total= 154 Aim 129 Endurance 53 Power 57 Accuracy Feet: Rakata ect Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 68 Aim 41 Endurance 12 Power Advanced Initiative Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Accuracy Total= 154 Aim 129 Endurance 53 Power 57 Accuracy Wrists: Custom Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 68 Aim 41 Endurance 12 Crit Total= 154 Aim 102 Endurance 12 Crit Belt: Custom Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Advanced Reflex Armoring 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 68 Aim 41 Endurance 12 Crit Total= 154 Aim 102 Endurance 12 Crit Weapon: Custom Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance Advanced Reflex Barrell 26 68 Aim 49 Endurance Advanced Agile Mod 26 68 Aim 41 Endurance 12 Power Advanced Adept Enhancement 26 27 Endurance 41 Power 57 Surge Advanced Color Crystal 41 Power Total= 154 Aim 129 Endurance 94 Power 57 Surge Off Hand: Campaign Eliminator's Generator Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance 113 Aim 93 Endurance 84 Power 57 Surge Total= 131 Aim 105 Endurance 84 Power 57 Surge Earpiece: Black Hole Boltblaster's MK-1 Device Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance 102 Aim 87 Endurance 71 Crit 57 Surge Total= 120 Aim 99 Endurance 71 Crit 57 Surge Implant #1: Black Hole Annihilator's MK-1 Enhancer Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance 102 Aim 87 Endurance 71 Power 57 Accuracy Total= 120 Aim 99 Endurance 71 Power 57 Accuracy Implant #2: Black Hole Annihilator's MK-1 Enhancer Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance 102 Aim 87 Endurance 71 Power 57 Accuracy Total= 120 Aim 99 Endurance 71 Power 57 Accuracy Relic #1: Matrix Cube M7-B3 Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance 66 Aim 56 Endurance 27 Crit Total= 84 Aim 68 Endurance 27 Crit Relic #2: War Hero Relic of Boundless Ages Advanced Reflex Augment 22 18 Aim 12 Endurance 113 Power 41 Endurance Total= 18 Aim 53 Endurance 113 Power Total Combined Aim= 1825 Gear, 250 Base, 5% Buff, 9% Gunnery, 40 Datacrons, 128 Exotech (2542) Endurance= 1501 Gear, 225 Base, 5% Buff, 40 Datacrons (1853) Power= 698 (685 Base Damage/ 1010 Tech Damage) Crit= 122 (5% Gear, 15% Aim, 5% Base, 5% Buff) (Total 30%) Surge= 285 (76% Crit Multiplyer) Accuracy= 285 (100% Base/110% Tech) Stats 2542 Aim 22,000 Health 685 Base Damage 1010 Tech Damage 30% Base Crit 35% Tech Crit 76% Surge 100% Base Accuracy 110% Tech Accuracy So running the power version over Aim would add around 10% Crit chance, 15-50 Bonus damage and lose about 1500 health. All in all it looks like Power version wins out. Could lose more crit here and add more power but wouldnt be worth it. I'll still go for the max Aim for myself just because its an absolute to have. I'll add a little more crit in like the original I had up. Edited August 18, 2012 by HileyQuiggley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying-Brian Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Sorry but your itemization is wrong. You should be using the Advanced Agile Mod 26 (53 aim, 32 end, 41 power), over the pvp ones you have listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HileyQuiggley Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) Sorry but your itemization is wrong. You should be using the Advanced Agile Mod 26 (53 aim, 32 end, 41 power), over the pvp ones you have listed. No, I prioritize Aim. I do understand the extra 29 Pwr is a little better than the extra 11 Aim. But not by alot and the Aim helps Crit% and Damage. While Pwr helps Damage. That little bit of extra Crit% it adds might be a small amount buts its the overall 2525 Aim that helps alot. Edited August 15, 2012 by HileyQuiggley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying-Brian Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 No, I prioritize Aim. I do understand the extra 29 Pwr is a little better than the extra 11 Aim. But not by alot and the Aim helps Crit% and Damage. While Pwr helps Damage. That little bit of extra Crit% it adds might be a small amount buts its the overall 2525 Aim that helps alot. By your build, you are gaining a little over 130-150 aim over current BiS builds (depending if you are using a cube or 2 pvp relics), but you are giving up close to 500 power. So over all you have less weapon damage, lower bonus/tech damage and lower DPS, just to get over 2500 aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkingskeever Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 You should be using unlettered mods, Agile 26 or Nimble 26. These give 53 aim and 41 secondary stat, which is better than 68 aim and 12 secondary stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HileyQuiggley Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 By your build, you are gaining a little over 130-150 aim over current BiS builds (depending if you are using a cube or 2 pvp relics), but you are giving up close to 500 power. So over all you have less weapon damage, lower bonus/tech damage and lower DPS, just to get over 2500 aim. Im not even giving up anywhere near 500 power. How can you possibly see that? Maybe if I had no Crit at all templated in. All together I might be giving up 90-120 pwr for 40-50 Aim. Thats it All the while increasing Crit%, again not by a huge amount at all but neither would I be missing any dps by a huge amount at all. The pwr shown there gives 990 Bonus tech dmg. With the added pwr in place of the Aim it might go to 1000 even. About the same kind of difference with Crit%. 1% maybe Could do it your way but both even out about the same in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying-Brian Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) Im not even giving up anywhere near 500 power. How can you possibly see that? Maybe if I had no Crit at all templated in. All together I might be giving up 90-120 pwr for 40-50 Aim. Thats it All the while increasing Crit%, again not by a huge amount at all but neither would I be missing any dps by a huge amount at all. The pwr shown there gives 990 Bonus tech dmg. With the added pwr in place of the Aim it might go to 1000 even. About the same kind of difference with Crit%. 1% maybe Could do it your way but both even out about the same in the end. From the stats you posted of your build, you have 551 power. The BiS builds are pushing close to,or over 1000 power fully buffed w/ stim. Yes they have lower crit, but still stay around 35% buffed. Edited August 15, 2012 by Flying-Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelLBC Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I'm sorry but those mods are wrong for PVE in about every possible way, as are some of other gear suggestions. First off even IF the Aim heavy mods were better, you should go with the ones in campaign armor which have 68 aim instead of 64 because Expertise is absolutely meaningless in a PVE environment. If you just wanna get one set of gear that's one thing but you don't have enough expertise to be taken seriously in PVP, and in PVE all that expertise just says you aren't gearing correctly. Secondly, I'm currently in NOT Best in Slot gear (using Rakata armoings in the chest, belt, and bracers, and using War Hero Barrel) and I already have the slightly higher crit rating and 30 points higher bonus damage (1024 Tech Bonus damage and change with exotech and not even all of the datacrons) than your supposed ideal. Why? Because I'm using the 53 Aim/41 Power or 53 Aim/41 Crit mods. Stacking aim is all well and good but you'll get better results using the mods everyone here is suggesting. Why? Because Aim isn't better than power or crit if you're trading 29 of either to get 11 more aim. It just isn't. You'll get more damage and crit rating using a 53 Aim/41 Power and 53 Aim/41 Crit mod over 68 Aim/12 Power and 68 Aim/12 Crit (which again is better than the 64 Aim mods you're currently using). Conclusion? Use the 53 Aim/41 secondary stat mods. If I'm sitting at almost 300 Aim under your ideal (I'm at 2245 with exotech stim and again I'm 53 Aim in gear below my own ideal, and I haven't gotten all the datacrons either), and yet I'm 34 Tech Bonus Damage Higher with the same crit rating you're aiming for, that tells me that absolutely all of us are right in using the mods we're all recommending. Other problems I see: Black Hole Med Tech generator is better than Campaign (I have both). A second War Hero Relic of Boundless Ages is better than the Matrix Cube (I have two and the Matrix Cube). You can go about your business people, this isn't the gear you're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) 64/41/12 mods with 30 EXP you don't use are inferior to 68/41/12 mods Both are inferior to 53/41/32 mods. It's not even rocket science. 68 aim 41hp 12 power is just less damaging than 53 aim 41hp 32 power. Seriously back to that EXP, why are you bothering? To use a mod with EXP you lose proper PVE stats and someone out to gank you in a real PVP set will still gank you. Edited August 15, 2012 by Gyronamics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HileyQuiggley Posted August 16, 2012 Author Share Posted August 16, 2012 Wow, I must have totally overlooked the 68 Aim Mods. I only have Campaign pants/Belt/OH and have bought everything else. Didnt even know there was such a Mod. So those would be better yes Still not going to fit in the 53 Aim 41 Pwr mods. I prefer Aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kytea Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Still not going to fit in the 53 Aim 41 Pwr mods. I prefer Aim Prefer it if you will, but please don't imply or suggest that it's better. 1 aim is slightly better than 1 power, yes. Slightly. Arguably something like 1aim = 1.02 power, or in that ballpark, considering the aim's crit bonus and the consular 5% buff on aim. 29 power is much better that 11 aim. Not a question of preference. It's a technical assessment. Game mechanics. The math has been done and proven, and dps empirical observations have confirmed it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaceen Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Still not going to fit in the 53 Aim 41 Pwr mods. I prefer Aim then you shouldn't make threads like this if you're just going to bury your head in the sand and ignore common sense. 'Best possible setup' is absolutely false, and that's not an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karasuko Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I' You can go about your business people, this isn't the gear you're looking for. Pure win would read again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelLBC Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Pure win would read again. /bow also OP prefer aim all you want. That doesn't make you less wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HileyQuiggley Posted August 16, 2012 Author Share Posted August 16, 2012 Its re-done for a power hungry version. I still prefer stacking Aim and will do so for myself. Im also #1 dps in OP's we run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelLBC Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Its re-done for a power hungry version. I still prefer stacking Aim and will do so for myself. Im also #1 dps in OP's we run. I mean do what you want, but I have to ask WHY you prefer stacking aim. By your own calculations you have over 70 more bonus damage than the ideal you had listed before (1070 tech bonus damage whereas before you had 990). Your crit rating is basically the same (you could easily switch out a power enhancement for a crit enhancement if you want to get back to where you were and still have 60 more bonus damage than you had before). What exact benefit do you think stacking aim at the expense of so much crit and power gives you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying-Brian Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) And as it's been pointed out, the Black Hole Med Tech generator is better then the Campaign generator (I also have both, and the BH one is better). You'll also get a little more damage by swapping out one mod or enhancement with crit for a power one. You would still be around 36% crit, buffed w/stim then. Since that is your max power build, you should get the most power in it you can. There are specific items that are included in BiS builds, because they are the best current item that can be used. Your first build ignored these, and your new build still leaves some items out. The only thing that varies between builds (that I have seen) at the BiS level is the amount of crit vs. power in the build. Some people prefer more power and others more crit. The change there is about 8% (between builds running from 32% crit to 40% crit). And at some point between those 2, is where you will be able to get the maximum amount of DPS. Edited August 16, 2012 by Flying-Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthtrunkmonkey Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 64/41/12 mods with 30 EXP you don't use are inferior to 68/41/12 mods Both are inferior to 53/41/32 mods. It's not even rocket science. 68 aim 41hp 12 power is just less damaging than 53 aim 41power 32hp. Seriously back to that EXP, why are you bothering? To use a mod with EXP you lose proper PVE stats and someone out to gank you in a real PVP set will still gank you. slight correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kytea Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 . I still prefer stacking Aim and will do so for myself. . Please change the thread title to "My personal preferred setup" rather than "best possible setup". We acknowledge it's your preference, we respect that. There's a strong consensus that your approach does not lead to the best possible setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HileyQuiggley Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 Please change the thread title to "My personal preferred setup" rather than "best possible setup". We acknowledge it's your preference, we respect that. There's a strong consensus that your approach does not lead to the best possible setup. When I get beaten I'll change my outlook. Until then I'll keep it how it is. Its really not even close with anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelLBC Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 When I get beaten I'll change my outlook. Until then I'll keep it how it is. Its really not even close with anyone If you've got the credits then try it for yourself is my suggestion. No one better to parse against is yourself. At least then you know things like rotation/playstyle will be more consistent. I still have to wonder WHY you have that preference. I prefer having higher crit and bonus damage personally. If you know something we don't then please share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HileyQuiggley Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 If you've got the credits then try it for yourself is my suggestion. No one better to parse against is yourself. At least then you know things like rotation/playstyle will be more consistent. I still have to wonder WHY you have that preference. I prefer having higher crit and bonus damage personally. If you know something we don't then please share. The whole thing with stacking Aim is that it gives you Damage and Crit%. The more Aim you have in your gear the less overall Crit you have to template in to reach a decent percentage. Just stacking Power in will have good damage sure but your also lowering your Crit% from Aim to where you need to template in more. Stacking Aim brings an overall better template in my opinion. Ideally if you could have 30% Crit unbuffed and 35% buffed thats what I'd aim for personally. That not very hard considering stacking Aim to its max would give you 15% right there. That leaves more room for Power, not as much as going strait for power but enough to equal it out with your Aim adding damage also. This is why I prefer to stack Aim. If you dont agree with it thats fine as I see most of you dont. I posted this to try and help out. I have really never lost in dps in ops, maybe it could be better stacking power maybe not but right now its doing just fine. Im not fully complete either. If you ever played DAoC and made a template for your character to get the things you wanted to fit in then you might understand. Ive built thousands over then 10 years I played and accross 9 accounts. Its something I enjoy doing. I understand Aim is only a little bit better than power with the 9% from Gunnery. Think my original posted temp had 990 Bonus damage compared to this 1060 and I was off on some mods there that could have been 68 Aim instead of the 64 I had posted. So it would be even closer and Crit would be 2-3% more if you wanted to reach 40+%. If not well hell, you'd have more room to add some power in and reach 35% crit instead. To many ways a template could be made. If you wanted alacrity in or if you wanted to try and reach 50+% Crit or 80+% surge. Maybe more Accuracy or something I dont know. I'll post a few different builds after I figure out the Aim one this evening. If you dont like them you dont have to look, just build your own. The title didnt say I'm making you run this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyieboy Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Another big reason to stack power over looking at the crit increase it it increases your base damage. Plus in pve you don't want to be a crit chicken agro starts to become a issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easpeak Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I like the OP's style - make a thread, get people to point out his mistakes and then refuse to acknowledge those mistakes. He is the self proclaimed champion and generally most interesting man in the world. P.S. I should make a thread and claim to be the best sage in the wold. Even though I do not have a sage, but if I did, I'd probably rock it. If anyone disagrees that I am not the best sage in the world, prove it wrong. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HileyQuiggley Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 I like the OP's style - make a thread, get people to point out his mistakes and then refuse to acknowledge those mistakes. He is the self proclaimed champion and generally most interesting man in the world. P.S. I should make a thread and claim to be the best sage in the wold. Even though I do not have a sage, but if I did, I'd probably rock it. If anyone disagrees that I am not the best sage in the world, prove it wrong. Makes sense. What mistakes have I not acknowledged? About me being the best Commando, well I am the best Commando so dont see what your point was there. I really dont even understand your post at all as it makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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