Styxx Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 yeah no they are going for repeat business here. EA wants money right? Valve and TF2 has shown people will pay crap tons of money for pure fluff. In your analogy EA also owns the gas station. they want people to keep coming back and filling up. Fluff is the way to do that for paid subscribers (as well as their $15 a month) and new content for Free players Yes there are games out there that are Pay 2 win but they are never as succesful as those that arent like Turbines games. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=514408 There is a really nice and not disturbing at all quote from some big name in EA. If you are feeling lazy.. it`s in my sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=514408 There is a really nice and not disturbing at all quote from some big name in EA. If you are feeling lazy.. it`s in my sig. OMG a CEO explaining how Free 2 Play works from a call over a year ago?? Holy cow well lets see did Battlfeild ever get that? oh it didn't? Hell they didn't even do that to Battlefield Play 4 free. You are honestly scared of an analogy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styxx Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 OMG a CEO explaining how Free 2 Play works from a call over a year ago?? Holy cow well lets see did Battlfeild ever get that? oh it didn't? Hell they didn't even do that to Battlefield Play 4 free. You are honestly scared of an analogy? I don`t trust EA that much not to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I don`t trust EA that much not to be. then why are you here in the first place? You bought the game and have been playing for how long? "I don't trust them one bit but I have no problem giving them my money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erudain Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Well wanna thank EA for solving a doubt I had for some months now......when they announced they'll be re-launching their NBA Live brand, I thougth for a moment "which one do I get? EA's NBA or 2k13? After yesterday is pretty much an obvious choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styxx Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 then why are you here in the first place? You bought the game and have been playing for how long? "I don't trust them one bit but I have no problem giving them my money" As long as it was a level field, it was OK. With a P2P model, Bioware kinda had to push some content to save itself or save the game, for whatever subs they had. Now, with F2P, after EA pretty much gave up on SWTOR, as it was that famous quote about it not being among the top money makers, I have a dilemma : DO I trust EA that much to believe it will never go P2W? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkirus Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 He still left a lot of unanswered questions up in the air. Like, how many chars slots do the FTP players get? How much credits can the FTP player have max? To what extent does the reduced quick travel entail..etc..etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 As long as it was a level field, it was OK. With a P2P model, Bioware kinda had to push some content to save itself or save the game, for whatever subs they had. Now, with F2P, after EA pretty much gave up on SWTOR, as it was that famous quote about it not being among the top money makers, I have a dilemma : DO I trust EA that much to believe it will never go P2W? how do you figure EA has given up on SWTOR? Did Turbine give up on DDO and LOTRO? Did Sony give up on DCUO, EQ and EQ2? P2 win doesn't work it always fails in the western market. (I hear it's big in Brazil though) so why would they give up a cash cow? I do believe EA is a money grubbing company but they are smart about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 He still left a lot of unanswered questions up in the air. Like, how many chars slots do the FTP players get? How much credits can the FTP player have max? To what extent does the reduced quick travel entail..etc..etc. they probably haven't decided on what that will be yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styxx Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) how do you figure EA has given up on SWTOR? Did Turbine give up on DDO and LOTRO? Did Sony give up on DCUO, EQ and EQ2? P2 win doesn't work it always fails in the western market. (I hear it's big in Brazil though) so why would they give up a cash cow? I do believe EA is a money grubbing company but they are smart about it. EA wanted this to be the WOW-Killer, which WOW-Killer has just gone F2P in under a year. It is obvious for everybody that they are still trying to bring WOW to its knees and they have NOT gave up on it and in no way trying to milk it dry before everybody leaves. Edited August 1, 2012 by Styxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 EA wanted this to be the WOW-Killer, which WOW-Killer has just gone F2P. It is obvious for everybody that they are still trying to bring WOW to its knees and they have NOT gave up on it. show me the quote that has anyone from EA or Bioware saying this was going to be a WoW killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belizar Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 how do you figure EA has given up on SWTOR? Did Turbine give up on DDO and LOTRO? Did Sony give up on DCUO, EQ and EQ2? P2 win doesn't work it always fails in the western market. (I hear it's big in Brazil though) so why would they give up a cash cow? I do believe EA is a money grubbing company but they are smart about it. for eu players they did the gave eu servers to the higest bidder turbine and dcuo and i think eq2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 for eu players they did the gave eu servers to the higest bidder turbine and dcuo and i think eq2 i have no idea what you just wrote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belizar Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 i have no idea what you just wrote eu servers in them games are no longer ran by SOE or turbine get it now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelFlow Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Great interview - BW seem really confident of their new direction. It sounds good. And you know what, I think that it's going to work. Now get going and make it work, BW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscad Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Conclusion: They screwed us. And lol@listening and reacting, more like ignoring and locking threads. ^ This, they are a bunch of clueless morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styxx Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 show me the quote that has anyone from EA or Bioware saying this was going to be a WoW killer. EA and Activision are the top Publishers around. It made sense to get Bioware to create the EA-Bioware, just as Activision is Acti-Blizzard. remember that Bioware had SWTOR in development from 2006, when they were bought in 2007. http://www.ingame.msnbc.msn.com/technology/ingame/star-wars-vs-world-warcraft-gauntlet-thrown-124471 http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-03-18/tech/30042260_1_warcraft-is-the-star-wars-warcraft-we http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wow-to-lose-big-chunk-of-market-share-to-star-wars-old-republic-says-ea/ "We're going right at it. We want share, we want leadership position here," affirmed Riccitiello. "I'm not expecting to sort of knock them over, but ... we're gonna get a big chunk of [their market]." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) EA and Activision are the top Publishers around. It made sense to get Bioware to create the EA-Bioware, just as Activision is Acti-Blizzard. remember that Bioware had SWTOR in development from 2006, when they were bought in 2007. http://www.ingame.msnbc.msn.com/technology/ingame/star-wars-vs-world-warcraft-gauntlet-thrown-124471 http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-03-18/tech/30042260_1_warcraft-is-the-star-wars-warcraft-we http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wow-to-lose-big-chunk-of-market-share-to-star-wars-old-republic-says-ea/ ... thanks for proving my point they just said they don't want to kock it off. I mean the quote you showed me says they very clearly don't want to kill it just want a part of their market which they did get. Edited August 1, 2012 by jarjarloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styxx Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) ... thanks for proving my point they just said they don't want to kock it off. I mean the quote you showed me says they very clearly don't want to kill it just want a part of their market which they did get. http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wow-to-lose-big-chunk-of-market-share-to-star-wars-old-republic-says-ea/ In the quote he actually says he wants leadership position. Also, logic dictates you simply don`t develop a game from 2006 to almost 2012 and expect to fall flat on your nose 7 months later. Not when you pit Batlefield 3 (25 October 2011) against Modern Warfare 3 (November 8, 2011). "We're going right at it. We want share, we want leadership position here," affirmed Riccitiello. "I'm not expecting to sort of knock them over, but ... we're gonna get a big chunk of [their market]." Edited August 1, 2012 by Styxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellsterzzz Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Conclusion of response threads: apparently everyone thinks they have crystal ball. Let's wait and see how this turns out, stop trying to predict the future because you can't. Not saying you don't have the possibility of being right, but bashing at the game does nothing for no one. Lets see what promises were real and which were just empty words. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganzor Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I've received an infraction for daring to participate in this thread in a non pro P2W way, careful folks. I will now report a slightly reworded version of my offending post. Some of us have been part of this before, and don't want to do it again. Could I be wrong and this won't turn Pay 2 Win? I suppose there's a small chance. Just like there's a small chance santa exists. In both cases, the chance is small enough that it's not worth seriously considering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamber Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I'm less upset about the shift, and more upset that I'll still have to pay $15 a month to unlock LESS features than before...What were they thinking on that end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggomy Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Could I be wrong and this won't turn Pay 2 Win? I suppose there's a small chance. Just like there's a small chance santa exists. You wonder why noone takes you seriously. Everyone knows it is FACT Santa exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalacticKegger Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) Yes unless you start selling pay2win items as most other F2P mmos do so your choices now are: - Purchase those p2w items since is the only way to compite against players that do buy them. - Do not buy those items and start to get pwned in WZs, open world pvp and not getting groups for ops/raids.From the interview that OP posted: "Essentially, Cartel Coins will buy a few things: actual in-game content (beyond the 1-50 experience that comes with the game now), vanity items, and convenience items (bank slots, bag slots, character slots, etc). There will be nothing you can buy with CC that will give you an advantage over other players in a competitive arena." I linked the actual interview a few posts ago for folks who prefer to read it for themselves. [edit] Sry ... it's already buried under 3 pages of spam. So here's the link again to that interview: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/feature/6609/Free-to-Play-This-Fall.html Edited August 1, 2012 by GalacticKegger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wow-to-lose-big-chunk-of-market-share-to-star-wars-old-republic-says-ea/ In the quote he actually says he wants leadership position. Also, logic dictates you simply don`t develop a game from 2006 to almost 2012 and expect to fall flat on your nose 7 months later. Not when you pit Batlefield 3 (25 October 2011) against Modern Warfare 3 (November 8, 2011). ... ummm yeah quote it again and maybe you will actually read the part that says "we don't want to knock them over just share their market" You don't have to be top dog to have a leadership roll. once again thank you for proving my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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