BrandonSM Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Anyone else notice this or just me? Every victory by the Jedi in the movies has been used with emotion. Obi-wan beating Maul: Revenge for killing Qui-Gon Anakin vs Dooku ROTS: Anakin winning for Revenge Luke vs Vader ROTJ: Luke getting revenge by disarming Vader. Obi-wan vs Anakin is the only fight where it wasn't won with an emotion. and then they the Force-Users who stayed true to the code, lost. Obi-wan vs Dooku AOTC: Obi-wan Lost Obi-wan vs Dooku ROTS: Obi-wan Lost Qui-Gon vs Maul: Qui lost. Yoda vs Sidious: Yoda lost Luke vs Vader ESB: Luke Lost Anyone else think thats strange/Ironic? I mean since Jedi are allot about no emotion. Edited July 27, 2012 by BrandonSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forgon Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Obi-Wan vs Maul had him use emotion and then lose. When he remembered his teachings and used a calm and serene mind to cunningly evade the (literal) pitfall of the fight. Edit: And Anakin was a Jedi who was falling to the Dark Side and purposely ignored the Jedi Code. How is that following the Jedi way? Edited July 27, 2012 by Forgon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maaruin Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Anyone else notice this or just me? Every victory by the Jedi in the movies has been used with emotion. Obi-wan beating Maul: Revenge for killing Qui-Gon Anakin vs Dooku ROTS: Anakin winning for Revenge Luke vs Vader ROTJ: Luke getting revenge by disarming Vader. Obi-wan vs Anakin is the only fight where it wasn't won with an emotion. and then they the Force-Users who stayed true to the code, lost. Obi-wan vs Dooku AOTC: Obi-wan Lost Obi-wan vs Dooku ROTS: Obi-wan Lost Qui-Gon vs Maul: Qui lost. Yoda vs Sidious: Yoda lost Luke vs Vader ESB: Luke Lost Anyone else think thats strange/Ironic? I mean since Jedi are allot about no emotion. Nope. Jedi-like victories: Obi-Wan beating Maul: As stated, he beat him after he calmed himself and didn't try to get revenge anymore. Mace Windu decapitating Jango Fett: no special emotions, just battle. Yoda forcing Dooku to retreat: Yoda is neither angry nor hateful towards Dooku. Obi-Wan killing Grievous: again, no anger or hatred Obi-Wan against Anakin: Obi-Wan doesn't use his emotions to win. You are ignoring the examples that go against your point. That's not how it works. Obi-Wan against Vader: Obi-Wan says: "You can't defeat me. If you kill me, I will become stronger than you ever imagined." Obi-Wan wins by loosing. Luke against Vader/Emperor: When he uses his anger, he is loosing against the Emperor. He wins when he throws his saber away. Jedi sometimes win and sometimes loose, just like Sith. Using hate and anger is no granted victory, but "staying true to the code" isn't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettrikRyflix Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Nope. Jedi-like victories: Obi-Wan beating Maul: As stated, he beat him after he calmed himself and didn't try to get revenge anymore. Mace Windu decapitating Jango Fett: no special emotions, just battle. Yoda forcing Dooku to retreat: Yoda is neither angry nor hateful towards Dooku. Obi-Wan killing Grievous: again, no anger or hatred Obi-Wan against Anakin: Obi-Wan doesn't use his emotions to win. You are ignoring the examples that go against your point. That's not how it works. Obi-Wan against Vader: Obi-Wan says: "You can't defeat me. If you kill me, I will become stronger than you ever imagined." Obi-Wan wins by loosing. Luke against Vader/Emperor: When he uses his anger, he is loosing against the Emperor. He wins when he throws his saber away. Jedi sometimes win and sometimes loose, just like Sith. Using hate and anger is no granted victory, but "staying true to the code" isn't either. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selvec Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I disagree with the Obi-wan vs Anakin fight. There was a LOT of emotion from both parties. But in Obi-Wan's case, it wasn't the typical flaring anger and sadness that saturated the entire movie. It was regret and loss that plagued Obi-Wan. This is shown by the fact that Obi-Wan pleaded with Anakin not to jump because he had the high ground, and did not want to strike him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erishumlol Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Jedi are hypocrites just like all people who claim love, peace etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteKardo Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Lol. True jedi have been pictured right in SW, and kill mostly , if at all, in self defense. To defeat an opponent that is attacking and trying to directly harm you is not an act of darkness, even if emotions are involved (Which isn't the most favorable result, but still valid). Some people take the 'pacifist' angle on Jedi too far. Pacifism doesn't mean that you simply stand-down when attacked. On another note. the Self-chastity of emotions that Jedi go through is a noble exercise in futility. While they may gain extraordinary control over their emotions, there are some they would never lose. Such as emotions bound by natural instincts. Most jedi probably knew that their code was but a guideline to necessary and important self improvement and self-limitation, and not a strict word-by-word doctrine. Sometimes things had to be done differently and Jedi respected that aswell. Case in Point Mace Windu trying to kill Sidious' ***, Yoda decapitating the clones with little to no concern, Obi Wan cutting off the better half of Darth Maul (get it?), Jedi promote complete thoughtfulness, not complete chastity from violence. Because there's a place and time for everything, even violent response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionamaster Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 You're leaving out a few more unsung victories that don't violate the code: Hero of Tython VS. Lord Tarnis: Hero wins. Hero of Tython VS. Lord Sadic: Hero wins. Hero of Tython versus Lord Praven: Hero wins. Hero of Tython versus Darth Angral: Hero wins. Hero of Tython versus Emperor Vitiate: Hero wins. Hero of Tython is a canonical charcter, as surely as Revan is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradTheImpaler Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Jedi are hypocrites just like all people who claim love, peace etc. You're hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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