serratemplar Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 So I admit I haven't tried this as I'm a bit skittish with the idea of wiping my Op group because I'm not informed. As a Sentinel Watchmen, my Zen procs tiny little heals for the entire Op group; will that count as "helping", making every single Council member invincible? I haven't tried it; I'm curious if anybody has? Not that Zen is necessary to take down a council member, but I'd melt his face off far faster using Zen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxcolt Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Zen during that encounter will cause you to receive the the debuff that no longer allows you to damage your council member. So don't use it..else you'll wipe your raid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_b_gross Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Do NOT use Zen; it will give you the debuff. It DOES count as helping. I'm so used to reflexively hitting my Zen button as part of my rotation that when I go into this fight, I remove Zen from my quickbar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serratemplar Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 Damn. Thanks, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest-Crane Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 So I admit I haven't tried this as I'm a bit skittish with the idea of wiping my Op group because I'm not informed. As a Sentinel Watchmen, my Zen procs tiny little heals for the entire Op group; will that count as "helping", making every single Council member invincible? I haven't tried it; I'm curious if anybody has? Not that Zen is necessary to take down a council member, but I'd melt his face off far faster using Zen. Easy solution. Move yourself into another ops group. If you don't know how, you unlock ops panel, drag yourself into a box without any other members. Use zen at your hearts content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Easy solution. Move yourself into another ops group. If you don't know how, you unlock ops panel, drag yourself into a box without any other members. Use zen at your hearts content. look at that someone who can problem solve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorSeven Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Easy solution. Move yourself into another ops group. If you don't know how, you unlock ops panel, drag yourself into a box without any other members. Use zen at your hearts content. While this is certainly done you still run the risk if someone kills their enemy and runs close to you. Considering we can easily down enemies in the council fight without Zen and everyone in your OP group should be able to solo enemies down (at least to the point where the rest of your group can attack it once after they have killed theirs) I'd say it's just not worth the risk. Because of that when doing the council fight I simply remove it from my bar so it won't go off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CivicTiger Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Uhmmmmm I use Inspiration every time during Hard Mode EV and I never get the debuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spungey Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 you can use inspiration.. I have a tendency to hit zen in there, but the debuff fades and I still have time to kill him. Now I move the Zen button to a different place on my action bar so I don't use it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CivicTiger Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I use Zen as well when Inspiration is over.. I am unsure what you guys are having a problem with? Unless your all Watchmen and your group heals only heal via 'Zen'? I am Combat so it wouldn't make a different with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goneras Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I use Zen everytime in EV i just move myself far into a corner and my ticks never hit any raid memeber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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