Greyfeld Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Well, at the risk of being labeled a 'fanboy', I think putting Star Wars into perspective helps you understand some of the more dodgy bits about it. The movie was Lucas's love letter to the serials (like the original runs of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon). Serials were highly stylized, cheaply produced, very action packed short films that preceded the features in movie theaters back from the silent era into the mid-50s or so. It wasn't intended to be high art. It was a crazy, B-movie mash-up of Flash Gordon and Samurai movies. The fact that it was a huge success seemed to floor everybody involved and Lucas had to pull the sequels out of his rump and pretend he had a grand vision all along. Basically, you have to put your brain on autopilot and just enjoy them for what they are. (And that helps make the prequels a lot more palatable, too. Well, that and skipping any Jar Jar scene and any scene where 'Ani' emotes.) But still worth watching even by 'modern' standards, in my opinion. (As are the serials and for that matter, the Kurosawa movies they borrowed some structure from.) I'm not gong to pretend I know enough about the history of the makings of the films to verify or discredit the majority of this notion. However, the original movie was never intended as a "B-movie mash-up." George Lucas formed the early version of the story, influenced by Flash Gordon, but when he rewrote the story after being told that it was too complicated, he borrowed heavily from Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress." In the end, his so-called space opera was a jumbled piece of garbage with only a handful of great ideas, and was completely overhauled by a couple of his screen writers, whose names escape me at the moment. Also, the original script was too long for a single movie, so was broken up into three movies. The assertion that he rushed out the other two movies when the first did so well is just blatantly untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argentus Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Well, I guess we're reading different biographies then. Which is cool, there are about a billion of them out there. Regardless, even though I'm aware of the film's flaws, I still enjoy them and would recommend them to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyfeld Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Yeah, at this point it's like, "Does it really matter?" It's more of an academic argument than anything else The important point is that Star Wars is fantastic, and no human being should grow up never having seen it. My dad sat me down when I was 10 years old and made me watch the first movie. When it was done, I was begging for him to show me the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimus Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WerniesSturm Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Seen all of them like 30 times. I was born 2 years after a New Hope so kinda grew up with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inanet Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 i didn't bother reading this thread, but i assume its trolls trolling trolls in a sea of trolls? or has somebody seriously never seen any starwars movie??? WOOTINI!!! (say it out loud. most awesome non word ever!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Arcane- Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 This is a brave topic given the casual/rp nature of this games fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inanet Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Yeah, at this point it's like, "Does it really matter?" It's more of an academic argument than anything else The important point is that Star Wars is fantastic, and no human being should grow up never having seen it. My dad sat me down when I was 10 years old and made me watch the first movie. When it was done, I was begging for him to show me the others. why is your text so blue? it hurts my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inanet Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 This is a brave topic given the casual/rp nature of this games fanbase. I agree, hence my post assuming we have trolls trolling trolls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angarl Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) I know a girl through my latest education that had never seen Star Wars until everyone else told her to go and watch them. She watched the first three and loved them kept telling us how much she liked Yoda and Chewbacca. My point is there are still plenty of people who haven't seen any of the films the sooner we lead them to the films the better the world may become. (World being full of people who like Star Wars doesn't make it better just more interesting) I like all the Star Wars films, Episode II grates on me quite a bit all that moaning and ************, but other then that they are all quite good so long as you don't mind a popcorn flick, essentially if you like the crap that is being made today you should like Star Wars, even though during the first one Mark Hamill still hadn't learned how to give dialogue. Mark Hamill has become brilliant at dialogue and is now my favorite voice actor but his performance in the first film was not good especially during the scene with the prison break and trash compactor. EDIT: When I say first film and first three I am refering to those that are part of the Original Trilogy IV, V, VI Edited December 14, 2011 by Angarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphina_Aizen Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) There's someone at my work who's never seen Star Wars....I don't know why it seems odd for a person never to have seen them, but it does I suppose if you ask a person to "name a science fiction movie", then 'Star Wars' is very likely to be one of the ones mentioned. It's such a huge and instantly recognisable part of pop-culture that it does seem odd to meet people who aren't aquainted with it. I suppose, by comparison, I meet people who are surprised that I don't watch "Lost" or "True Blood" or "24" or any of the other modern day pop-culture shows. But I do feel, at least a little, that people who didn't see Star Wars when they were younger just sort of missed out on something Anyone who didn't see the prequal trilogy missed out on nothing whatsoever Edited December 14, 2011 by Seraphina_Aizen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbaoth Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I haven't, and have no intentions to. I love MMO's of all types, so i will probably love this too.. am I the only non-nerd who's going to be playing? I really don't like the star wars franchise as a whole tbh ;-) Hmm, I sence must fail in you young one! Naa just kidding mate, but it is seriously your loss;). Well besides from the fact that you have spared you eyes and ears from experiencing Jar jar;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellan Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 My girlfriend and I, we look all the movie in order I to VI so for her who never see it before. she think the saga just get better in IV, V, VI with a more mystical vision of the Force compare to the I II III where the Force is just some mediclorian.... totaly agreed with her... i like movie who explain the mystical in it but take the Force and resume it at a simple microbian life FAIL I still say the order is IV, V, VI, I, II, III. The order in which they were made and they way most everyone saw them. The whole scientifical bacterial force thing....I like to thing that's just a by product. The force is still that mystical, encompassing field eneveloping and feeding all life that Yoda described. The midichlorians are just a by product of force sensitives being attuned to that mystical field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disastersaurus Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I tried to watch them, couldn't make it through 'em. Yes, even the old ones. I really love the universe, so I get the games and what not, but the movies always really just make me wince with the whole 'clear-cut good vs. evil' theme. I don't like morals being so dichotomous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasticles Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 So I am alone in this? I watch good movies but star wars is so dated i most likely won't enjoy it. Too much talking aswell from what i can tell from clips. It looks so dull You are mostly alone...... Here you are complaining: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=95826#post95826 Here you are complaining again: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=90633#post90633 And again: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=87226#post87226 Here you go again: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=85964#post85964 THIS is a good one: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=81857#post81857 Ok, there are tons more......move on now please..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ldogg Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) How are you not a nerd? You play *********** mmos. Only nerds do that. And this is an RPG on top of that. D&D is an RPG and so is this game. O and I have np with being called a nerd. Seems to me you have a problem with what you really are. lol and that's just sad. But it is understandable you might not like SW. I can't bring myself to fully watch LOTR. But at least I have tried. Maybe you should try to at least try to watch the movies before you discredit them. And why come to the SW discussion forum to ask this question? As you would say this is where all us SW nerds hangout to talk about SW. Edited December 14, 2011 by Ldogg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relilimex Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I haven't, and have no intentions to. I love MMO's of all types, so i will probably love this too.. am I the only non-nerd who's going to be playing? I really don't like the star wars franchise as a whole tbh ;-) so you play games and you consider yourself a noon nerd? only becouse someone has seen the movies do it not make you a nerd. to be honest to play this game and have never seen the movies is a disgrace. go and watch the movies in order IV, V VI, I, II and III. they are not that bad tbh. only the jar jar binks part. you my friend is also a nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddreadlord Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) You are mostly alone...... Here you are complaining: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=95826#post95826 Here you are complaining again: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=90633#post90633 And again: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=87226#post87226 Here you go again: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=85964#post85964 THIS is a good one: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=81857#post81857 Ok, there are tons more......move on now please..... This. But even without this it is blatantly obvious that he is a raging troll. 1. he says he never watched the movies and that they are dull on a Star Wars forum 2. he calls everyone who have watched star wars (majority if not more than 90% of these forums) a nerd. nice try troll, move along P.S. tell us what server you will be playing on plz so we can all avoid any future contact. Edited December 14, 2011 by ddreadlord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMasterJohn Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) I haven't, and have no intentions to. I love MMO's of all types, so i will probably love this too.. am I the only non-nerd who's going to be playing? I really don't like the star wars franchise as a whole tbh ;-) I don't understand how someone who has never watched Star Wars would want to play a Star Wars game..... Ah I get it......... your a Trekkie. Edited December 14, 2011 by JMasterJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceZtorm Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 good movies? Shawshank redemption, Green mile, curse of the golden flower, lord of the rings, Big, drop dead fred, labrynth, shutter island etc Do you mean this Labyrinth? If you think that is good, you'll probably like star wars aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKMaster Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 George Lucas created a fantastic world to elaborate upon and play in, but he's a terribad writer. If it weren't for Gary Kurtz countering Lucas the entire time, then Ep. IV and V would have been just as terribad as the rest. TBH I believe most of the book writers after Lucas, and the efforts on KOTOR, created a better Star Wars than Lucas did. Trust me, OP, you're probably better off. New forums, same internet bandwagon haters. Theres an old saying, "Those who can do, and those who cant become critics". Any time you want to wow us with your story, novel, script, ect. plz do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickInVA Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 How would you know you don't like the franchise if you have never seen the movies? That sense makes doesn't. Watch at least the original 3, they are the best. [takes cover] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exeone Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I haven't, and have no intentions to. I love MMO's of all types, so i will probably love this too.. am I the only non-nerd who's going to be playing? I really don't like the star wars franchise as a whole tbh ;-) For some reason I have doubts about you not being a nerd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Would anyone want(besides me) a worldwide law, stating that you have to watch all the Star Wars movies? Don't need to like em, but ya have to watch em or go to jail for 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviney Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I haven't, and have no intentions to. I love MMO's of all types, so i will probably love this too.. am I the only non-nerd who's going to be playing? I really don't like the star wars franchise as a whole tbh ;-)So just because I love the Star Wars movies makes me a nerd? I mean, I'm sort of a nerd anyway, but Star Wars isn't what pushed me over the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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