Daecollo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Gear decides who wins and loses now in WZs, people who exploited Ilum will win everytime because the gear differense between people is up to 60% now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillmare Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Are you new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdragonragexx Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 buy recruit gear. The gear gap between fresh 50s and max characters are really not that big anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daecollo Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 Its Huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotRonin Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 With Recruit gear, I have 1100 Aim, 1000 endurance. Total hp is 12757 without buff on my Merc healer. I get totally owned by BM in 3 GCD. The difference is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorble Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I don't know how recruit gear affects it, but prior to 1.2 I walked into WZs as a fresh 50 and gave up on PvP. When I hit level50, my PvP fun was replaced by hours of grueling frustration trying to compete against people who I could barely hurt or survive against due to gear differences. If recruit gear could help, I'd like some info on that please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMCH Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Recruit gear is totally unsuitable for healers, you need to PvE to obtain Columi/Rakata/Black Hole which will give you a tremendous boost over recruit, something like 500 aim + 400 end which clearly overcompensate the 10% healing and 12% damage reduction you'll have from Recruit. If you don't want to PvE, I'm all with you... Edited April 14, 2012 by JMCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessik Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Gear decides who wins and loses now in WZs, people who exploited Ilum will win everytime because the gear differense between people is up to 60% now. i hit 50 in feb and got my full BM last week (2 months of pvp)... i was in the 1-49 bracket during the "ilum exploit" period... i see no reason why you couldn't have gotten your BM gear as well during that time so you could compete... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grymtusk Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 buy recruit gear. The gear gap between fresh 50s and max characters are really not that big anymore. LOL you don't have a *********** clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xinika Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Its Huge. This post lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarray Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Was disappointed in recruit gear. This is a zerg fest now, and BM geared lads will win. Its a worse ROFLSTOMP than before, and people were praising 1.2 before arrival because this roflstomp would be removed, way to go BW, way to go. On a serious note, hire some real PvP players to either participate in PvP design or provide you with serious feedback. Your own work is horrible at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessik Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I don't know how recruit gear affects it, but prior to 1.2 I walked into WZs as a fresh 50 and gave up on PvP. When I hit level50, my PvP fun was replaced by hours of grueling frustration trying to compete against people who I could barely hurt or survive against due to gear differences. If recruit gear could help, I'd like some info on that please. http://dulfy.net/2012/03/22/pvp-gearing-in-1-2/ expertise is the main determining factor now... 300k for a full suit of recruit gear gives you 900 expertise... it's not the best, but it's a stepping stone, only 250 expertise less than BM... and in 1.2, BM gear is easier than ever to get now... http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=3946162#post3946162 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abelmiz Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 buy recruit gear. The gear gap between fresh 50s and max characters are really not that big anymore. Wow, sounds like someone who hasn't played a pvp warzone in a while. BM gear got updated. They still have 18k+ hp to your 12K+ hp, how is a ~50% HP difference not that big? That's not even touching on the damage and stat difference. Have you compared the stats of BM gear to Rakata? A lot of those pieces are still very close stat wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKfourtyseven Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) http://dulfy.net/2012/03/22/pvp-gearing-in-1-2/ expertise is the main determining factor now... 300k for a full suit of recruit gear gives you 900 expertise... it's not the best, but it's a stepping stone, only 250 expertise less than BM... and in 1.2, BM gear is easier than ever to get now... http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=3946162#post3946162 The problem is BM gear is giving you extra few percentage but a huge increase in main stat and health. The gap is completly and utterly insane actually, bigger than the gap was between Cent ---> BM used to be in the old system due to how hard people are hitting now (my GRD alt is sitting on 5k less HP than my Jugg. Recruit Vs ful BM...) Things will not balance out properly until everyone is BM and then its the marginal gap between BM & WH we saw between BM & Champ previously. Edited April 14, 2012 by AKfourtyseven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetNausea Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Are we really still on the whole Ilum thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reenolols Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 BM is a joke to get now. Path to BM isn't even that bad, it's as bad or better than it was before. BM vs BM.. no, gear isn't a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMCH Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) i hit 50 in feb and got my full BM last week (2 months of pvp)... i was in the 1-49 bracket during the "ilum exploit" period... i see no reason why you couldn't have gotten your BM gear as well during that time so you could compete... I see one main reason : we are not bound to have 1 and only 1 char. I've a rank 66 juggernaut, but my merc was just rank 55 the day 1.2 has been deployed, so she doesn't have BM gear and as it is now she's not going to ever have more than the blasters, at most considering expertise is a joke on healers now. I have other, non-50, chars, too, and the issue is exactly the same for them, except I didn't play them in warzones to see if the dps fest is there too, too low a reward for it to be worth. Edited April 14, 2012 by JMCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarray Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 http://dulfy.net/2012/03/22/pvp-gearing-in-1-2/ expertise is the main determining factor now... 300k for a full suit of recruit gear gives you 900 expertise... it's not the best, but it's a stepping stone, only 250 expertise less than BM... and in 1.2, BM gear is easier than ever to get now... http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=3946162#post3946162 Like someone els pointed out: while expertise is ''close'' main stats are FAR off = roflstomp. Shouldn't take too long to get BM gear, given you are on an equal faction server which I guess 50% or more isnt. And since Losses doesnt yield a lot of WZ commendations its kinda crap. The poor will stay poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondiwayne Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Was disappointed in recruit gear. This is a zerg fest now, and BM geared lads will win. Its a worse ROFLSTOMP than before, and people were praising 1.2 before arrival because this roflstomp would be removed, way to go BW, way to go. On a serious note, hire some real PvP players to either participate in PvP design or provide you with serious feedback. Your own work is horrible at best. I can agree with you that the way to get BM and WH gear is completely retarded it's a big grind fest and whoever has the most time to play gets the gear first. Although i do not agree, that Recruit gear is a joke. It's Recruit gear and you can buy it for a minor amount of credits. How would you feel if someone with equal skill in recruit gear could own you when you are in full BM, thats a part of MMOs the possibility to completely outclass someone. Rated Warzones would solve this imbalance problem. You would fight VS. people on your rating which means they are also around your gear lvl. There is still the possibility for bad players to end up with full BM on low ratings or for a skilled recruit geared one to be on higher ratings but those will be the exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demiricus Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 This post lol Yo Shin! What are you doing with your PVP set since your modded out all of your gear for power/surge!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessik Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 The problem is BM gear is giving you extra few percentage but a huge increase in main stat and health. The gap is completly and utterly insane actually, bigger than the gap was between Cent ---> BM used to be in the old system due to how hard people are hitting now (my GRD alt is sitting on 5k less HP than my Jugg. Recruit Vs ful BM...) Things will not balance out properly until everyone is BM and then its the marginal gap between BM & WH we saw between BM & Champ previously. i'm a sniper... i know all about gear differences... we are affected huge by this when we hit 50... i'm not going to deny it sucks cuz it does but i got through it... http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=335860 right now, it's not impossible to get BM gear... it's even easier without the RNG... http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=411231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarz Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 simple fix remove all existing pvp gear from game. load everyone into WZ with equivalent gear. Let skill reign supreme Teamwork wins matches smiles everywhere provide epeen through anecdotal data. wins, losses, KB's, kills, healing, objectives etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMCH Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Although i do not agree, that Recruit gear is a joke. It's Recruit gear and you can buy it for a minor amount of credits. How would you feel if someone with equal skill in recruit gear could own you when you are in full BM, thats a part of MMOs the possibility to completely outclass someone. 1.1.5, you had relatively better in less than 1 week pvp missions. 14 bags from the dailies. 6 bags from the weeklies. 2 to 3 bags from WZ comms rewards (at 100 comms a run winning and losing, accounting for the medpacs used, I think it's reasonable to consider we could then obtain 1600~2400 a week). Total is 23 bags, with 15 Centurion commendations and 7 Champion commendations each, or 345/161. 161 Champion commendations was almost enough to get the 3 main armor pieces. 345 Centurion commendations was enough for the remaining pieces. At the time, the expertise gap was similar between Centurion and BM as it is now between Recruit and BM, Centurion stats were similar to Recruit, too. All in all, it was WAY easier pre-patch because there was an intermediate set you could buy at least some parts before being able to even try to have BM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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