Asphen Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 This is nothing more than a venting thread. I would totally rather have a 4 second stun than our pay 50% life / immune to 99% damage ability. If I could exchange the two, I would in a heartbeat. I'd love to see this game if every other class had to play 50% of their life to 4 sec stun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keypek Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 This is nothing more than a venting thread. I would totally rather have a 4 second stun than our pay 50% life / immune to 99% damage ability. If I could exchange the two, I would in a heartbeat. I'd love to see this game if every other class had to play 50% of their life to 4 sec stun. What? Guarded by the force is one of the best abilities JKs get if used right. Or at least in pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I guarantee you, there are a lot of classes that wish they could pop an invuln ability for 5s at low health, medpac, and get back to fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Findulidas Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 You are supposed to use it when you are below 10% health, which means even though you have little health it acts as if you didnt. In conjunction with some watchman healing and a medpac you could be pretty healthy after. I think its a pretty awesome skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphen Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 I know it's good, never said it was. I'm just saying in this thread, it would be great if everyone had the same cost on their 4 second stun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzhokhar Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Ok, but in return everybody else's 4 second stun has to become unbreakable, irresistible, and AoE affecting everyone within 35m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphen Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 Ok, but in return everybody else's 4 second stun has to become unbreakable, irresistible, and AoE affecting everyone within 35m. Sure doesn't. Lots o' times I've tried to use my Guarded by the Force, only to be Stunned or Flashbanged so it's useless. I think having their stun cost half their life, just to have it instantly escaped would be fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzhokhar Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Sure doesn't. Lots o' times I've tried to use my Guarded by the Force, only to be Stunned or Flashbanged so it's useless. I think having their stun cost half their life, just to have it instantly escaped would be fair play. Do you lose the benefit of Guarded by the Force while you're stunned? No. You still survive 5 seconds longer than you otherwise would have. Guarded by the Force has no direct counter. It affects anything that might damage you (including damage from any number of player/mob/environmental sources). It lasts for 5 seconds, no matter what anyone (or anything) else does. There is no comparison between it and a 4 second stun which generates resolve, can be resisted, affects exactly one target, can be broken with an ability that all classes have, can be dispelled by any nearby healer AC, and is completely useless against DoTs and environmental damage. Edited March 23, 2012 by Dzhokhar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxcolt Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 You're supposed to use it when you're at low health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphen Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 Do you lose the benefit of Guarded by the Force while you're stunned? No. You still survive 5 seconds longer than you otherwise would have. Guarded by the Force has no direct counter. It affects anything that might damage you (including damage from any number of player/mob/environmental sources). It lasts for 5 seconds, no matter what anyone (or anything) else does. There is no comparison between it and a 4 second stun which generates resolve, can be resisted, affects exactly one target, can be broken with an ability that all classes have, can be dispelled by any nearby healer AC, and is completely useless against DoTs and environmental damage. Does your big three even break 1000? And just no guy, no. Huff all you want, but I'd much rather have stun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzhokhar Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Does your big three even break 1000? Big 3? Allies of WW2? Automakers? Break 1000? No big 3 that I'm aware of has anything to do with "breaking 1000". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three And just no guy, no. Huff all you want, but I'd much rather have stun. I suggest you make another thread making that exact request and see what kind of response you get. Title it "I want a 4 second stun instead of Guarded by the Force". Edited March 23, 2012 by Dzhokhar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valastia Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I...I just don't even see the point of this thread. Are you trolling? Do you genuinely not see the unbelievable utility in having invincibility pretty much for 4 seconds? I have other classes at high level that have 4 second stuns, and there is nothing I wouldn't trade to have an ability like GBTF. But honestly, they don't even compare with each other. A stun is very, very different from an invincibility ability. So again, what exactly is the point of this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainianu Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) guarded by the force is freakin amazing, anyone who would trade it for a stun needs to play with it some more and get its full potential realised yes it can be countered in a sense with a well timed stun by a skilled player, but... by the time your down low enough to use guarded by the force your often in resolve anyhow Edited March 23, 2012 by Ainianu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 this is the first time im saying this, but op is a scrub. Guarded by the force is one of the most op abilities in the game. .. Unless op is asking for balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphen Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) I don't chain die in my warzones. I'm so excellent, I have angel wings, that you likely can't see because your gameplay isn't good enough to allow you to see them. You could even take the ability away and I wouldn't be that upset. I'd much rather have a stun that I could use for offense and defense. If yer bad though and always getting killed, I understand why you love your Guarded by the force so much. Edited April 5, 2012 by Notannos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzhokhar Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 You could even take the ability away and I wouldn't be that upset. I'd much rather have a stun that I could use for offense and defense. If yer bad though and always getting killed, I understand why you love your Guarded by the force so much. This only makes sense if you're so terrible that opposing teams simply ignore you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphen Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) You guys might be on to something though. My gameplay may be so far above or behind the bell curve of most Sentinel players that I see the game differently. Regardless of whichever one is true, I'm still allowed to say: "I'd much rather have a 4 second stun than Guarded by the Force." Edited April 5, 2012 by Notannos rude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuglebunny Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 ok, I just rolled a sent. I dont know a whole lot yet. But it just seems like being totaly invulnerable to all damage for 5 seconds is better than stunning one guy for 4 seconds. Its kinda like stunning all your enemies for 5 seconds, cuz they cant do any damage to you just like if they were stunned. But it affects YOU not them so its like you stunned the whole world for 5 seconds.(if you are solo pve) Why and for what reason could a single target 4 sec stun be better? Not that we shouldnt have one, just that I wouldnt trade one for GBTF. Im a total nub and it seems obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFirewind Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Sure doesn't. Lots o' times I've tried to use my Guarded by the Force, only to be Stunned or Flashbanged so it's useless. I think having their stun cost half their life, just to have it instantly escaped would be fair play. Wait so you're complaining about smart players that stun you when they see your Guarded by the Force pop? I think someone needs to stop complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorNordo Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 For the three terribads above me, I don't chain die in my warzones. I'm so excellent, I have angel wings, that you likely can't see because your gameplay isn't good enough to allow you to see them. You could even take the ability away and I wouldn't be that upset. I'd much rather have a stun that I could use for offense and defense. If yer bad though and always getting killed, I understand why you love your Guarded by the force so much. Before this I would have given you a solid 8/10 troll score. But the above post just makes it too obvious. I am therefore deducting points and leaving you with a 2/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuschell Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Meh op can say whatever he wants, not like devs will change anything based on something 1 person wants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valindur Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Ah, thats the beauty of the forums, everyone can express his opinion no matter how ridiculous it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG_jhanlec Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Huff all you want, but I'd much rather have stun. Really? I have been playing the marauder for a while (valor 64, full rakata save my helm which I use crafted with augment and full BM except chest and offhand) stopped playing him weeks/month ago and now a lvl 50 Sentinel (valor 56, some columni/champ, rakata daily). I have to say Undying Rage/Guarded by the Force are probably close to the strongest PvP skills in the game. I have personally been in enough situations where I was able to hold a node, door, Hutball long enough to make a difference countless times due to this skill. On top of that, the biggest reason we can 2 on 1 or if they really suck 3 on 1 people is because of this skill. In my mind, my personal best display of fighting in PvP came when I was able to take mid in CW 1 on 3 against. A Commando healer, Guardian and Commando DPS were defending; I killed the healer fast (bad gear... and no guard on him) then the DPS commando with 20% health left, popped Undying then health pack then Berserk and applied DoTs to Guardian for heals. Healed back up to 50% by the time I killed him. Capped mid about 1 sec before I was attacked and held it just long enough for reinforcements. We won the match 5-0 about 10 sec later. I cant praise this skill enough, and not just for the example above. Stuns... could care less. If someone has full resolve its worthless, 4 seconds only applies to 1 person and they can use skill to get out of it. So many stuns already in the game, too many in fact - dont need any more, thats for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiviolence Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I only wish for a diminishing effect on getting chained stun and not Resolve :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphen Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 Are you kidding? I'm totally making an Assassin as my Legacy character. Buff Shadows/Assassins, or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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