Husofanten Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Same Question as in the title: Is Tactics viable for PvE Endgame or does it lack single target damage? I guess Mortar + Pulse Cannon hit hard, Ion Pulse harder than for Assault. But what about the rest? Is the overall damage high enough to gain a slot in raids or should I stick with my full assault build? Edited March 21, 2012 by Husofanten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exphryl Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Same Question as in the title: Is Tactics viable for PvE Endgame or does it lack single target damage? I guess Mortar + Pulse Cannon hit hard, Ion Pulse harder than for Assault. But what about the rest? Is the overall damage high enough to gain a slot in raids or should I stick with my full assault build? Viable, yes. Is it Assault damage, No. The catch is though if you, or should I say most Pyro PTs/Assault VGs I run in to, are bad at managing your resource a Tactics build will yield higher DPS as it is MUCH more forgiving on that resource where you don't have to pay attention to procs and a bunch of other things all the time. That is where a tactics build Shines. So figure out where your skillset is in that department on Assault. I've done all nightmare content was both your Tactics and Assault (on my PT that is) and was fine with both, well, I felt anyways considering there were no meters. Nothing enraged so I guess that's a good sign huh? Edited March 21, 2012 by exphryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramac Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Viable, yes. Is it Assault damage, No. The catch is though if you, or should I say most Pyro PTs/Assault VGs I run in to, are bad at managing your resource a Tactics build will yield higher DPS as it is MUCH more forgiving on that resource where you don't have to pay attention to procs and a bunch of other things all the time. That is where a tactics build Shines. So figure out where your skillset is in that department on Assault. I've done all nightmare content was both your Tactics and Assault (on my PT that is) and was fine with both, well, I felt anyways considering there were no meters. Nothing enraged so I guess that's a good sign huh? Actually, Tactics is the same or better damage if you regear it properly. Accuracy is meaningless. Ditch it. What are you talking about Tactics doesn't have to pay attention to procs? Tactics has MORE procs to pay attention to than Assault. Assault has one proc to pay attention to and two DoTs (only 1 of which you have to pay attention to and is on a longer CD than Gut). Tactics has 1 DoT and 3 procs to pay attention to. They're about the same currently. The only reason Tactics isn't curb stomping Assault now is the 8% damage on HIB and the lack of a good set bonus for Tactics. Edited March 21, 2012 by Coramac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exphryl Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) . What are you talking about Tactics doesn't have to pay attention to procs? Tactics has MORE procs to pay attention to than Assault. That statement was in regards to resource management, where Ionic Accelerator procs are the only form of resource management that spec has. Unlike tactics which gets free abilities (which you just have to use when Stockstrike is off cooldown) and passive ammo generation. Edited March 21, 2012 by exphryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Actually, Tactics is the same or better damage if you regear it properly. Accuracy is meaningless. Ditch it. What are you talking about Tactics doesn't have to pay attention to procs? Tactics has MORE procs to pay attention to than Assault. Assault has one proc to pay attention to and two DoTs (only 1 of which you have to pay attention to and is on a longer CD than Gut). Tactics has 1 DoT and 3 procs to pay attention to. They're about the same currently. The only reason Tactics isn't curb stomping Assault now is the 8% damage on HIB and the lack of a good set bonus for Tactics. why do you say accuracy is meaningless you have toh it your target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramac Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 why do you say accuracy is meaningless you have toh it your target It's all Tech attacks with the exception of Hammer Shot and HIB. The latter you would only use when its crit proc is up, and I'm pretty sure that the autocrit makes it an autohit. I'm going to see if I can test that tonight. Assault is completely dependent on HIB for damage. It also makes more use out of Hammer Shot with its inferior ammo regen and has increased damage on Hammer Shot from Rain of Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 It's all Tech attacks with the exception of Hammer Shot and HIB. The latter you would only use when its crit proc is up, and I'm pretty sure that the autocrit makes it an autohit. I'm going to see if I can test that tonight. Assault is completely dependent on HIB for damage. It also makes more use out of Hammer Shot with its inferior ammo regen and has increased damage on Hammer Shot from Rain of Fire. but stock stike still has to hit, and an autocrit can be dodged. You have to have accuracy unless you are ok with an 9% chance to miss on half of your attacks. I personally am no ok with any missi or dodges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramac Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 but stock stike still has to hit, and an autocrit can be dodged. You have to have accuracy unless you are ok with an 9% chance to miss on half of your attacks. I personally am no ok with any missi or dodges. Stock Strike is Tech. It's a good bit less than half of our attacks. It only affects Hammer Shot and HIB. Hammer Shot is a filler ability that does minimal damage. I'm about to test the autocrit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Stock Strike is Tech. It's a good bit less than half of our attacks. It only affects Hammer Shot and HIB. Hammer Shot is a filler ability that does minimal damage. I'm about to test the autocrit. that is true.. that leaves HiB, and that isteself while good damage is not enough to spend the itemization on it when you can go full out power. Edited March 22, 2012 by Hizoka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvantyr Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Accuracy is garbage. Even with assault, I would stun the tank before I used HIB, dodge that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramac Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 that is true.. that leaves HiB, and that isteself while good damage is not enough to spend the itemization on it when you can go full out power. Yea, I'm actually really curious about the autocrit. It should, at the least, push shield chance off for PvP. My tank friend logged has early work and couldn't let me beat on him. Lazy tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaintOnASign Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Both Tactics and Assault Specialist are viable DPS speccs. Theoretically, Assault does higher DPS, but as mentioned, it is less forgiving on ammo management than Tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husofanten Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 I tried it yesterday but I wasnt even able to solo the H2 on Belsavis (rep.)... The high amount of ammo regeneration looks good, and pulse cannon hits hard but the lack of kiting kinda ruined it for me. PvP didnt work really well since I am often getting focussed( guess those Imps know me by now - nearly every warzone top damage) and I have to get way too close to get my burst off. Guess I will try to farm some equipment for a tactics build... ( combat tech is the way to go?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karandor Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I tried it yesterday but I wasnt even able to solo the H2 on Belsavis (rep.)... The high amount of ammo regeneration looks good, and pulse cannon hits hard but the lack of kiting kinda ruined it for me. PvP didnt work really well since I am often getting focussed( guess those Imps know me by now - nearly every warzone top damage) and I have to get way too close to get my burst off. Guess I will try to farm some equipment for a tactics build... ( combat tech is the way to go?) Combat tech is the way to go for tactics. The key to playing it in PvP is using hit and run. You are REALLY fast in combat. Pop hold the line and you can get out of almost any situation pretty easily. You can circle strafe most melee and they will have trouble hitting you. It doesn't have the burst that assault has but it has crazy sustained damage with no ammo issues and IMO better suvivability. The pulse cannon AE is also insane. Taking 3+ people down from full to half in 3 seconds is pretty fun. Ion pulse critting for over 2k is a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramac Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Ion pulse critting for over 2k is a lot of fun. Oh come on, it's not nearly as fun as 3k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varena Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Oh come on, it's not nearly as fun as 3k. No, you have stock-strike and fire pulse for the 3k crits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunayson Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 It's all Tech attacks with the exception of Hammer Shot and HIB. The latter you would only use when its crit proc is up, and I'm pretty sure that the autocrit makes it an autohit. I'm going to see if I can test that tonight. Assault is completely dependent on HIB for damage. It also makes more use out of Hammer Shot with its inferior ammo regen and has increased damage on Hammer Shot from Rain of Fire. No. And I died a bit inside as the first time I tried out Combat Tactics, it missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 No. And I died a bit inside as the first time I tried out Combat Tactics, it missed yeah i just had a miss with it as well... but for one skill its not worth the itemization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunayson Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 yeah i just had a miss with it as well... but for one skill its not worth the itemization Well in 1.2 it will proc from Gut ticks, which means you should apply gut first ASAP to get more damage quicker, and to get the proc asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Well in 1.2 it will proc from Gut ticks, which means you should apply gut first ASAP to get more damage quicker, and to get the proc asap. i do that now as it is, first attack i do when i get on target is gut, simply because it starts a dot ticking and allows for the HiB crit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramac Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 yeah i just had a miss with it as well... but for one skill its not worth the itemization Yea, I got the same thing. It's really not that good. I'm considering what I could do by ditching those talent points for something else. Crit Ion Pulse is about as much damage. I just don't think I could get better bang for those talents. Kind of sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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