lilBastahd Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Assault Specialist (Vanguard) Ionic Accelerator now requires Plasma Cell to trigger. The chance to trigger this effect has been increased significantly but cannot trigger more than once every 6 seconds. So now tank stancing with Ion Cell will be basically worthless if specced for AS. Not only that, even when I have my plasma cell on now, I can only trigger HiB every 6 seconds at best. As squishy as a DPS specced vanguard is, I really wasn't expecting this. First they nerfed the Operatives, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't an Operative. Then they nerfed the biochemists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a biochemist. Then they nerfed the commandos, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a commando. Then they nerfed me, and there was nobody left to speak out because everybody unsubbed and quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renatow Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 BIOWARE!!! i want my PVP armor REFOUNDED, u cant destroy someones class and give nothing in compensation, better i want the right to create another LVL 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 You mad? Vanguards doing that crap means Commandos in Assault get the nerf through the shared tree for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilBastahd Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Vanguards doing what crap? We're getting getting nerfed just as much for no good reason as you are in this respect. I do sympathize with Commando players though. They're nerfing the hell out of you guys in this patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Vanguards being able to benefit more from using Ion Cell than Plasma Cell for Assault = them binding IA to Plasma Cell and screwing with how often it can proc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMerc Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 You mad? Vanguards doing that crap means Commandos in Assault get the nerf through the shared tree for no good reason. Vanguards didn't get it nerfed, it's to prevent back to back to back procs from happening. They just decided to tack on the plasma cell requirement to reign in hybrid specs, as they have been with other classes. Don't think it wasn't gonna happen one way or another. Also OP, really? You're comparing a poem about the inactivity of germans in relation to not doing anything about the uprising of Nazis to nerfs that were needed? Get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilBastahd Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Vanguards being able to benefit more from using Ion Cell than Plasma Cell for Assault = them binding IA to Plasma Cell and screwing with how often it can proc. We don't benefit more from Ion Cell for Assault. For us to do our best damage, our target needs to be on fire. That' only happens with Plasma cell, unless we decide to kill all our ammo by using incendiary round on everybody. I only switch to Ion cell when I'm in a group and we really need someone to be [sort of] a tank, or in WZs when I'm helping a sage or commando guard an objective. If there's another player available to take that roll, I let them because my tree is wasted on being a protector on Ion cell. Also OP, really? You're comparing a poem about the inactivity of germans in relation to not doing anything about the uprising of Nazis to nerfs that were needed? Get a grip. It was tongue-in-cheek. These nerfs were in no way needed and people were already getting fed up enough with the devs as it was, with this game. Commandos really only have the choice to be turrets now, and vanguards have to be tanks. This is the second time I had to roll a character. I have a sage in the 40s stuck on a dead server that I had to abandon. I just got my VG to 38 and was starting to get the hang of this class and get good it. I'm not paying $15 a month to roll a Sentinel and start my journey at Coruscant all over again. Edited March 18, 2012 by lilBastahd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMerc Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I vanguards have to be tanks. Bleh, now that assault can't faceroll people with multiple procs you mean right? I'll stick to Tactics and not worry about any of this. Vanguards are going to be in a better position overall if you ask me but hey, assault is dead to most fotm rerollers apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilBastahd Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hey, stick with Tactics if you like PVE. I wasn't facerolling with AS. Good sorcs kept their distance, marauders slaughtered us like they do everyone else, assasins bounced before getting killed, and unless able to sneak up right behind em, snipers were a good match. I don't remember AS vanguards ever being FOTM. I see mostly light sabers out there. I think the term "FOTM" really seems to be the fad of the week, and I'm sick of hearing every class, every AC, and every spec tree getting labeled as such. You don't understand anything man, leave your stupid comments in your pocket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMerc Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Hey, stick with Tactics if you like PVE. Doing pretty well with Tactics in pvp, thanks. This all reminds me of back in WoW. Arms got to a good spot for raiding but people stuck with fury because that's what they were told and it was just plain easier. Made it work for raiding there too so meh. And Pyro/Assault has become more popular as of late regardless of what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorshard Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hey, stick with Tactics if you like PVE. I wasn't facerolling with AS. Good sorcs kept their distance, marauders slaughtered us like they do everyone else, assasins bounced before getting killed, and unless able to sneak up right behind em, snipers were a good match. I don't remember AS vanguards ever being FOTM. I see mostly light sabers out there. I think the term "FOTM" really seems to be the fad of the week, and I'm sick of hearing every class, every AC, and every spec tree getting labeled as such. You don't understand anything man, leave your stupid comments in your pocket! Ohh Hai Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 We don't benefit more from Ion Cell for Assault. For us to do our best damage, our target needs to be on fire. That' only happens with Plasma cell, unless we decide to kill all our ammo by using incendiary round on everybody. I only switch to Ion cell when I'm in a group and we really need someone to be [sort of] a tank, or in WZs when I'm helping a sage or commando guard an objective. If there's another player available to take that roll, I let them because my tree is wasted on being a protector on Ion cell. So you really spam Hammer Shot with its 16% chance to proc PC which lasts for 6 seconds and don't do your proper damage til it's up? Because I'm Assault Commando and this might be something new to you but I use the guaranteed 18 second burn from IR and then unload on someone with my attacks buffed for the next 18 seconds minimum since plasma cell might well proc from attacks during that time. Attacking multiple people with IR, treating it as an attack instead of a buff to your attacks does certainly waste ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assaultrooper Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 You mad? Vanguards doing that crap means Commandos in Assault get the nerf through the shared tree for no good reason. You know I believe the nerf was to balance out Vanguard with Commandos as Vanguards now will be forced to auto attack as much as commandos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assaultrooper Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Vanguards didn't get it nerfed, it's to prevent back to back to back procs from happening. They just decided to tack on the plasma cell requirement to reign in hybrid specs, as they have been with other classes. Don't think it wasn't gonna happen one way or another. Also OP, really? You're comparing a poem about the inactivity of germans in relation to not doing anything about the uprising of Nazis to nerfs that were needed? Get a grip. Guys read the Patch Notes Carefully... I am not talking if carlina Parakeet, but the "real" assault specialist spec, IT is getting super nerfed, and I mean the biggest Nerf To date, bigger even than smuggler's. What does a 6 sec cooldown mean to the Assault Specialist DPS spec? No it doesnt mean a sure heat vent every 6 secs, what it does mean each 6 secs You will have to start to Fish for procs! The Proc Rate Buffs are as Follow: -Stockstrike: 60% -Ion Pulse: 45% Meaning on average you will need 2 attacks to trigger the 6 sec cooldown, if we add that up means venting heat every 10 secs!!!!!!!!!!! Before the patch you could reliably expect to vent heat every 3 attacks, meaning each 4.5 secs! Can you see now the extent of the nerf? They just doubled the heat management issues, I expect atleast a 30% overall dps decrease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
va_wanderer Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I'm going to have to see how it feels when 1.2 goes live, but my first thought is I should be going (HIB proc) -> HIB -> Pulse Cannon if I'm doing stationary DPS. That'll chew up three of the four 1.5 second tics to reset Accelerator right there and still deal some respectable armor-ignoring damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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