Zerousteve Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I am currently a level 44 Sith Marauder. And I have been lurking these forums for a while and don't understand all the hate I hear for the Marauder. They are not "broken". I have been using Carnage spec since I first hit 10 and I have not been unhappy with it since. Although, I have yet to spec anything else, so I have nothing to compare it to, but Carnage is a great spec for PVE to say the least. As a level 44 I regularly crit 1600-1900k+ force screams. This is my current spec http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#1000zZhGbrddMorsZh.1 And this is what I use as my rotation during combat. Battering Assault > Gore > Massacre > Force Scream > Rupture(If any extra rage is left) > Ravage and then repeat. I also through in some extra force chokes and Assaults through my second rotation since ravage is on cool down. This spec works great for me, and I have awesome survivability while questing and using Quinn. PvP isn't bad with this spec. I always come out with more kills than deaths and at least 5 medals. Marauders are not broken, and I'm not claiming this is the best spec, but when this spec is used correctly it is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibaken Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I would've taken Enraged Slash before Malice but your spec looks fine. Your rotation is off though; check the Carnage section of my guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerousteve Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 I just looked at your guide. Does that rotation give you enough time to get all the buffs you need for force scream. I made mine that so I have the 6 seconds of gore and hopefully proc blood frenzy and execute to make my force scream do big damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibaken Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I just looked at your guide. Does that rotation give you enough time to get all the buffs you need for force scream. I made mine that so I have the 6 seconds of gore and hopefully proc blood frenzy and execute to make my force scream do big damage. Massacre's damage is insignificant next to the power of Scream/Ravage. Massacre -> Gore -> Ravage -> Scream is superior to anything else from my experience. If Blood Frenzy runs off during the rotation at all you have 4 hits (Gore + 3 Ravage) buffed with Massacre to get another Ataru proc. Not once have I not had Blood Frenzy up for Scream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcaciaDragon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I am currently a level 44 Sith Marauder. And I have been lurking these forums for a while and don't understand all the hate I hear for the Marauder. They are not "broken". I have been using Carnage spec since I first hit 10 and I have not been unhappy with it since. Although, I have yet to spec anything else, so I have nothing to compare it to, but Carnage is a great spec for PVE to say the least. As a level 44 I regularly crit 1600-1900k+ force screams. This is my current spec http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#1000zZhGbrddMorsZh.1 And this is what I use as my rotation during combat. Battering Assault > Gore > Massacre > Force Scream > Rupture(If any extra rage is left) > Ravage and then repeat. I also through in some extra force chokes and Assaults through my second rotation since ravage is on cool down. This spec works great for me, and I have awesome survivability while questing and using Quinn. PvP isn't bad with this spec. I always come out with more kills than deaths and at least 5 medals. Marauders are not broken, and I'm not claiming this is the best spec, but when this spec is used correctly it is awesome. Dont use Rupture....ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilianor Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Would take Enraged Slash too, instead of extra crit, cuz your main burst dmg comes from force scream and it normally got 100% crit, so its better to spam massacre instead of 6% more crit. aaaand Carnage is fine, just choose what you like. Played carnage from 10-till now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerousteve Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Dont use Rupture....ever. I only use it if I have extra rage leftover. And that's it. But thanks for the recommendations I'll take them into consideration. And I am definitely putting 3 points into enraged slash. It's just how I have my points now. I will probably end up like this http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bcZhGbrddMorsZG.1 Edited February 8, 2012 by Zerousteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcaciaDragon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I only use tt if I have extra rage leftover. And that's it. But thanks for the recommendations I'll take them into consideration. Never use it. If you arent specced into it, dont use it. Use massacre instead, It does more damage and gives you the potential to do more damage with its buff. It costs the same rage. Massacre > Rupture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcyFisty Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Dont use Rupture....ever. Agreed. Rupture is a complete waste on carnage. However, using abilities you are not necessarily spec'd for isn't always a bad idea. For instance, now that I'm annihilation I sometimes find that if I'm killing someone and they are at low health, and the majority of my primary abilties are on cooldown, I can use force scream to throw in another ~1k damage. Sometimes smash works nice too if you're surrounded because that will throw out a bunch of damage too. But for the most part it does hold true... don't use abilities that don't get benefits from your spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atreyuz Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) A couple of changes to your spec only in the Carnage tree, PvP changes http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100ZhRrbddrors.1 Basically getting: Root on DT (you are missing the real opness of this tree, Root whoring.) and Defensive rolls Erupting Fury are 2 wasted points. Even in pve...more so in pvp. Edited February 8, 2012 by atreyuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerousteve Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 How does this look for a spec at 50? http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#1000cZhGrrddrorsZR.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atreyuz Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) How does this look for a spec at 50? http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#1000cZhGrrddrorsZR.1 Looks good. But ERUPTING FURY...man, why do you want that so bad. It's crap. Can have a decent use for levelling (not really) but at 50 and especially PVP it's like throwing away those 2 points. Lets wait what others maras thinks about the 3% accuracy in pvp...Im quite ignorant about accuracy use in pvp, I have to say. Edited February 8, 2012 by atreyuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcaciaDragon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Looks good. But ERUPTING FURY...man, why do you want that so bad. It's crap. Can have a decent use for levelling (not really) but at 50 and even PVP it's like throwing away those 2 points. Lets wait what others maras have to say about the 3% accuracy in pvp... http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100bcZhRrbddrRrsZh.1 Try that instead. Erupting fury is pointless. Ravager talent isnt worth it atm as Ravage can bug out too often. Malice effect ataru strikes, and we have a talent that increases the critical damage ataru strikes do. Accuracy, i beleive we need no more than 98% melee, 108 special(force) so anyone with centurian or champion gear already has too much even with that spec. Quick Recovey is for Fury generation. Use sweeping strikes after combat has ended to build up your fury by spending that rage that will be degrading anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodymoon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Massacre's damage is insignificant next to the power of Scream/Ravage. Massacre -> Gore -> Ravage -> Scream is superior to anything else from my experience. If Blood Frenzy runs off during the rotation at all you have 4 hits (Gore + 3 Ravage) buffed with Massacre to get another Ataru proc. Not once have I not had Blood Frenzy up for Scream. Well, Force Scream is superior becaue it crits for sure. But Ravage? If I get a lucky Massacre (MH crit, OH crit, 2 Atatu crits) in a Gore, it nets to over 5,2k (per second if Berserk). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcaciaDragon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Well, Force Scream is superior becaue it crits for sure. But Ravage? If I get a lucky Massacre (MH crit, OH crit, 2 Atatu crits) in a Gore, it nets to over 5,2k (per second if Berserk). You said, it, if you get lucky. Gore + Ravage is def going to be 5k, not much luck involved with that....unless your setup for Ravage wasnt ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atreyuz Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Ravager talent isnt worth it atm as Ravage can bug out too often. I have played as carnage a lot these days, I can count on 1 hand(well maybe a little more then that) the amount of times it bugged. Edited February 8, 2012 by atreyuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcaciaDragon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I have played as carnage a lot these days, I can count on 1 hand(well maybe a little more then that) the amount of times it bugged. It depends on play style, it bugs out 1 once a warzone for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodymoon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 You said, it, if you get lucky. Gore + Ravage is def going to be 5k, not much luck involved with that....unless your setup for Ravage wasnt ideal. Gore + 2 Massacre are also at least 5k. Ravage has to crit too and needs 2 GCDs. The main reason I use it is because it has no rage. If I could, I would only spam Force Scream and Massacre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcaciaDragon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Gore + 2 Massacre are also at least 5k. Ravage has to crit too and needs 2 GCDs. The main reason I use it is because it has no rage. If I could, I would only spam Force Scream and Massacre. 3 Rage vs 7 rage is a big difference for the same amount of damage and time. Also with relics and power adrenals it hits really really hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodymoon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 3 Rage vs 7 rage is a big difference for the same amount of damage and time. Also with relics and power adrenals it hits really really hard. Well Massacre too But yes, the rage thing is the most important part. Without ravage, you would neet to use Assault more often... I usually start a raid boss with Bloodthirst and Ravage+power relic. But later on, Berserk+Bloodthirst+cirt/surge relic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcaciaDragon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 But later on, Berserk+Bloodthirst+cirt/surge relic... Indeed i love that combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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