They say there is no endgame...

[Necrolepsy]

http://www.vg247.com/2012/01/17/analyst-ea-has-invested-close-to-500-million-in-swtor/

 

Do your research first.

 

Nobody really cares about how much they invested unless theyre a fat virgin neckbeard.

 

I'm just having fun playing the game, that's all that matters. Of course you won't have unlimited content if you play non stop, but if you play moderately and don't live in your basement you will have plenty to do.

 

I play a fair bit (50 commando + 32 sentinel) and have cleared 4/5H EV and both EV and KP on normal, got 41 valor rank etc and still have fun. Why? Because I don't sponge all the content just so I can excrete all over the forums when I'm bored/*done* with content.

 

I bet you never even cleared NMM.

[SirSlayAlot]

Ok, so you are not talking about end-game stuff then, but stuff to just do when bored. Yeah, they have a huge casino on Nar Shaddaa they could implement PVP gambling in (instead of just playing against the computer, play against each other), Pod-Racing on Tatooine, Swoop Tracks that are reopened on Taris, etc...

 

 

 

No and Yes this is what they need to do, MAKE these endgame. Who says endgame HAS to be operations and flashpoints and pvp? WoW does this.... SWTOR needs to make it's own rules if it wants to be competitive and more importantly, interesting.

 

If they want to make SWTOR like WoW, I would go play WoW instead.

[ShadoeWrayth]

I had to quote you because you hit the nail on the head.

 

I read, or heard in a podcast I think, the CEO of Bioware? I think it was, say they weren't trying to re-invent the wheel and right there and then... I thought... this game will not be big nor original.

 

You can't just copy WoW and hope for the best. That is just short sightness at it's worse.

 

This games potential is... to re-invent the wheel and have games inside the game. Make it a REAL OPEN WORLD where you have free space for pvp and missions, pod racing on tatooine, gambling at Nar Shaddar.

 

Millions of people love the movies, you want to bring as much of that as possible and put it in the game, not put WoW in the game as much as possible ........

 

Yeah, they honestly should have made a "LOTRO" version of Star Wars. Half the fun people have in LOTRO (I think) is running around and going, "HEY! It's Bag End!!" etc...

 

They are virtual tourist traps in a way. If people could just run around and explore the few planets at release, seeing sights and all, that would have added a lot to the contentment factor.

[Asparhruk]

.....

"Creating a game with 100 Flashpoints only, will not keep people interested".

After doing just 10 of them most people will stop. " if that was true why the hell do people still play WoW ?

.......

 

Actually that is a very accurate point, it these days i think "Creating a game with 100 Flashpoints only, will not keep people interested". is a very close to truth statement.

And about the WoW question, i think you got it wrong, what you should ask is, why would ppl leave wow to do the same in SWTOR?

[SirSlayAlot]

Well SaysALot, you could always work on hacking that white power crystal with Catch, your buddy from Requiem! That'll give you something to do until they ban you.

 

Is this suppose to dig me? Cause it didn't. I literally yawned as I read your post.

 

He aint my buddy, just like I wouldn't buddy up with you, a random who means nothing to me.

Puppet to the hand you are.

[Asparhruk]

No and Yes this is what they need to do, MAKE these endgame. Who says endgame HAS to be operations and flashpoints and pvp? WoW does this.... SWTOR needs to make it's own rules if it wants to be competitive and more importantly, interesting.

 

If they want to make SWTOR like WoW, I would go play WoW instead.

 

Exactly, instead of creating something new they did...more of what WoW does, just in Star Wars skin.

I left WoW years ago bored and not wanting to do THAT stuff anymore and not looking back, coming in SWTOR with hope only to be sadly disappointed. I did this in WoW and left not wanting to the same over and over again. Why would i want to do it in SWTOR now?

Pointless and sad.

And from what i see many ppl are feeling the same way.

[SirSlayAlot]

So you just reinforced again how you have NOT completed ENDGAME content.

 

OPS NM = End game

Battlemaster pvp = End game

41 random people who cant keep you occupied = priceless.

 

I like it how you attempted to re-direct my post without actually answering my post..... priceless...)

Edited February 6, 2012 by SirSlayAlot

[Dartagon]

I like it how you attempted to re-direct my post without actually answering my post..... priceless...)

 

Entry level Ops aren't end game ??

 

Edit: I like how you edited your post after you realized that you haven't completed end game.

Edited February 6, 2012 by Dartagon

[Karniel]

You are lucky that we have the amount of end game content we do have a little over a month of the game being released...

 

You expect too much in too little, time, Yes there isnt much at this moment for end game, but there isnt supposed to be.. Im looking forward to the next raid and hoping for it to be some challenge on NM this time.

Edited February 6, 2012 by Karniel

[SirSlayAlot]

Re isn't pointless. Just because you can't benefit doesn't mean someone won't buy them. Play the ah with the purples. People will buy them I promise.

 

Roll an alt. It's fun.

 

 

Don't all RE's only yeild BOP? (Synthweaving)

[Gilbara]

Well... after first disagree'ing with them... I now agree.

 

After you've done all the HM FP's and your 2 ops and a few pvp games, there is nothing else really to do for the next 5 days.... except level a alt.. but that is not endgame.

 

Bio, you really need to work on this next content patch. And no, another FP, Op or Space Mssion is not the answer, we are looking for something different.

 

i have question though. what about MMO's where you complete all the level cap RAIDs and get your set of the best RAID gear.

 

what do those games have for you to do?

[Melacon]

If the hardest setting of operations took more than one night to figure out and down, there wouldn't be this issue.

 

Hopefully, the current operations difficulty was set as a benchmark and future Ops will be adjusted to actually take time to clear and not be able to go straight to HM with quest/pvp gear.

 

Normals should be puggable, fine with that. HM's should actually be hard and reward better than normal loot, NM, other than a check in the box, there is no reason to do them after you have done it once.

[FalmeseReb]

Of course I understand how long things take to design, create, implement. It's not rocket science.

 

They are doing.. OK.

 

And Keon was a play on their behalf. You could design a game and leave something out of it, then bring it in a month later and say "hey! new content for you guys!"

It was content they had finished the same time they had the game finished. Just delayed for advertisement of quick new content.

 

to be fair, kaon was most likely actually new content. It wasn't in beta at all, and neither was Karaggas.

[Dartagon]

If the hardest setting of operations took more than one night to figure out and down, there wouldn't be this issue.

 

Hopefully, the current operations difficulty was set as a benchmark and future Ops will be adjusted to actually take time to clear and not be able to go straight to HM with quest/pvp gear.

 

Normals should be puggable, fine with that. HM's should actually be hard and reward better than normal loot, NM, other than a check in the box, there is no reason to do them after you have done it once.

 

According to your website. You haven't done the hardest mode of OPs in one night.

[Melacon]

According to your website. You haven't done the hardest mode of OPs in one night.

 

Thanks

 

But I'm also not complaining about lack of endgame. Just giving a reason why people say they have nothing to do. And NM is still pointless.

[Nylod]

Exactly..

So all I'm left with is Datacrons, Ops and PvP. Theres about 1 day worth in a week.

Twiddle my thumbs the other 6 days.

 

Leave the basement. If your playing 7 days a week and putting in more time then a full time job then of course you will run out of content. If you want to play like that id suggest playing mulitple MMOs to keep it fresh and limit your boredom. It takes time to code and debug massive content. add to that the game has only been release a couple months and i think they are doing pretty good. Many many launches have struggled with massive Bugs and maintenance fixes. Be glad you havent been unable to log in practically at all.

[Dartagon]

Thanks

 

But I'm also not complaining about lack of endgame. Just giving a reason why people say they have nothing to do. And NM is still pointless.

 

Except you haven't cleared it. The point is that it's a challenge. If you aren't up for challenges...then I can see how its pointless.

 

HM is not end game. NMM is end game. Once you clear NMM there is no other difficulty.

 

That's all I'm saying. I agree with you, there is no point in terms of drops/rewards. I'm also saying that 95% of the people who say they are all done with the endgame content haven't attempted it, or got stuck and are now bored cause they can't progress any further.

[SirSlayAlot]

maybe you should listen to your own advice ........ i classify myself as a newbie cause prior to this i only played SWG from release till the NGE crap and have not played another MMO from release other than the odd beta to see if i liked them

 

The guy I was responding too, wasn't referring to you, so why would you inject yourself into a conversation that had nothing to do with you?

 

hell you have wrote some rubbish and im not gonna mention the "it cost 500 million" just these :-

 

You lost me, are you trying to climb to the highest branch here? Or you just trying to bring up something again I've put to bed 3 times now?

 

"They need something different",....."Open space pvp is my favourite. Brings those stupid planet space stations into play". open space pvp is not diferent or new as a whole MMO called EVE based upon space combat and SWG also had space PvP

 

Open Space pvp would be different IN SWTOR. That is what we are talking about here... SWTOR and variety, not talking about the current stock market predictions.

 

"I had the dailies done in a few days to be geared for FP's. Done."..what do you mean.it costs around 360 daily comendations for the 3 rakata pieces and with the bugged quests you only get 20 to 24 a day from daily quests unless you didnt get the good stuff

 

Do you try and walk on water because it is there to be done or do you, like I would, take the easier option and get on a boat? Just because it is there, 1 piece of gear, doesn't mean it HAS to be done that way and if you don't get it done then you haven't done EndGame.. is that what you are implying?

I'm not going to bother with with fiddly pointless thing like that when I can easily pick it up in an OP. But by all means, you go ahead and pour hours apon hours into mind numbing dailies for that massive reward.

 

"Creating a game with 100 Flashpoints only, will not keep people interested".

After doing just 10 of them most people will stop. " if that was true why the hell do people still play WoW ?

 

Lolo, you think people play wow only for the heroics? oh helaula...

 

So you are aware and can stop making assumptions, i am not satisfied with what is on offerbut it has fek all to do with game content and only once i have :-

 

Then why on earth are you opposing otherwise?

 

Finished all the quest on every planet. (just cause you hit 50 does not mean you cant carry on with them to see where the stories end up.)

Got all my companions afection to max and fully kitted them out.(within reason )

Complete all that can be done in the codex.

Done all the FP,OP's in normal HM and nightmares.

Got both sets top level PVE and both sets of PVP armour for my Merc incase i want to switch from dps to heal.

Maxed my crafting ,gathering and RE'd all schems till i got all the purples (yeah this one is boring but it can be done in the background ))

Made several different lvl 50 chars (alts) to do the different story lines while ramping

up my legacy ready for when its introduced (though i probaly wont kit out to the degree i will on my main)

 

and lastly max my PvP lvl

 

Then i may think i will or atleast be close to actually completing everything that can be done thus actually being at end game and asking for more content.

 

You don't need to min/max everything to be unsatisfied with endgame. That's borderline psychotic.

 

NOT selectivly picking parts that are of interest only to you, completing them and then having the egotistical mentality and false belief that cause you believe that your so called "REGULAR" / "VETRAN" MMo player and that you can just say " Ineed more stuff I MAY LIKE cause im at END GAME" when you are clearly no where near is actually very sad.

 

No.. sad is when you completely missed the point.

[SirSlayAlot]

Nobody really cares about how much they invested unless theyre a fat virgin neckbeard.

 

Sure they do, that's why there are several replying posts, or, did you skim over them... silly you.

 

I'm just having fun playing the game, that's all that matters. Of course you won't have unlimited content if you play non stop, but if you play moderately and don't live in your basement you will have plenty to do.

 

Ahh the ol'basement line... I'm pretty sure even the 11yr olds stopped using that last year.

 

I play a fair bit (50 commando + 32 sentinel) and have cleared 4/5H EV and both EV and KP on normal, got 41 valor rank etc and still have fun. Why? Because I don't sponge all the content just so I can excrete all over the forums when I'm bored/*done* with content.

 

I bet you never even cleared NMM.

 

Assumptions... can either be your best friend.. or your reputation nightmare.

[biere]

http://www.vg247.com/2012/01/17/analyst-ea-has-invested-close-to-500-million-in-swtor/

 

Do your research first.

 

 

and right under that article there is that :

 

http://www.vg247.com/2011/05/05/analyst-swtor-could-cost-ea-as-much-as-80-million-to-develop/

 

Analyst oh yeah..they go from 80 to 500 millions LMAO

[SirSlayAlot]

You are lucky that we have the amount of end game content we do have a little over a month of the game being released...

 

You expect too much in too little, time, Yes there isnt much at this moment for end game, but there isnt supposed to be.. Im looking forward to the next raid and hoping for it to be some challenge on NM this time.

 

Not once did I say we should have this and that RIGHT NOW... not once...

[SirSlayAlot]

Entry level Ops aren't end game ??

 

Edit: I like how you edited your post after you realized that you haven't completed end game.

 

First post was a retaliation, then I edited it to be more inline with the questioning.

Then you added nothing to it.

[Napalmbrain]

I am not sure what you are expecting to come in a content patch?

 

The structure of the game itself and the design decisions don't allow for much room for anything IMO. Bad decisions all around which has led to the most mediocre 200 million dollar video gamer ever.

 

Honestly, after all of the horrible decisions, what makes you think they are actually going to make good decisions.

 

It's so funny how all of these topics are coming out now about people who were once the defenders of the game are now seeing it for what it is.

 

I wanted to love this game and wanted nothing more but for it to be amazing. Let's just say that is THE last time I ever hype myself up like that again.

 

200-300 mil and 5 years? And this is the whole game? Really? HUGE let down for me...

[Melacon]

Except you haven't cleared it. The point is that it's a challenge. If you aren't up for challenges...then I can see how its pointless.

 

HM is not end game. NMM is end game. Once you clear NMM there is no other difficulty.

 

That's all I'm saying. I agree with you, there is no point in terms of drops/rewards. I'm also saying that 95% of the people who say they are all done with the endgame content haven't attempted it, or got stuck and are now bored cause they can't progress any further.

 

Again, don't call out my guild for ***** clowns complaining, I never mentioned once that I was done with the content or complained about lack of endgame. You can say NM is endgame but once you beat it, why do it again, not like HM is that much different anyway, at least in 16 mans, can care less about 8 mans.

 

Actually, I don't have to justify anything to you because you probably have done none of it. The point is, if people raid more than 2 nights a week and are competent, they are done with the content. "we are not because we don't raid that much for this very reason"

[Dartagon]

First post was a retaliation, then I edited it to be more inline with the questioning.

Then you added nothing to it.

 

I had already replied my answer. You said blah blah blah, I have 41 one people on my friends list.

 

My reply is, that you have 41 random people you added to friends that STILL cant keep you occupied in a game.

 

Quality over Quantity. I have a total of 10 people on my friends list not including my guild. When I log in, I spend 50% of my time joking around talking with friends and 50% playing the game.

 

Its not always a key mashing 100% serious spacebar pounding affair.