TBH i don't see alternative to the situation but nerfing sorc/sages. Otherwise BW would be destroying their PvP. No real reason to not fix this. What i am guessing is, because this class is the one that needs MOST fixing and a lot of skills moving up and down, they just fixed the easier ones first. But if they want to save their PvP there is no option to it. And all sorc/sages, instead of being in denial, be constructive and actually show understanding and help the developers with ideas how to balance your ridiculous, atm, class. Otherwise you might as well get a huge nerf (even more than needed) because i don't see a case in which BW wants the population leaving because of one class and what is left rolling all that said one class. I already see ppl leaving WZ when they see setups made of all sorc + 1-2 mercs. Do you think this ppl's definition of fun is playing against such a setup of an OP class? And do you think it's good for the game those ppl are leaving PvP and many won't play it again or may as well leave the game? What do you think will, ultimately, happen to your class and to the game if this continues? I see nothing good coming of this staying the way it is.

The OP is completely right and even some things he have missed. You guys have have to all understand - range need PENALTY for being able to deliver damage and CC from range and safe distance. The penalty melee have is they NEED to be in close range to deliver any meaningful damage. Not to mention range now doesn't even have to kite, they don't need to position (face, as the game autofaces) and interrupting them doesn't even prevent them from spamming just another ability. The OP haven't also mentioned that sorc are a horribly designed class with regard to stacking. It's outright mind-boggling how a self respecting developer could release that. There is nothing like seeing 4-5 sorc lined one to another all spamming aoe and obliterating everything and everyone that tries to even get to them Their stacking requires no skill, no tactical thinking nothing, just stand to each other and spam. I want to see 5-6 melee stacking successfully - almost impossible. Needs such a level of coordination that is not worth it even as is easily countered. I have been making scrshots of WZ i play lately. Almost all the time it's against 6-7 sorc teams and 1-2 BH(Merc), occasionally some other classes get mixed in the ocean of lightning spam. If you think this is balanced... On top of that i am somewhat not surprised. It's Failhammer 2.0. The same team, making the same mistakes (Bright Wizards anyone?), ruining the PvP in this game the same way. If someone at BW doesn't take immediate measures, you can kiss this game PvP good bye very soon.

The EA louse was mostly talking in his/her blog about why and how badly Warhammer failed. And he/she was right. He/she also mentioned why SWTOR will most probably fail too for much of the same reasons and the ludicrous VO budget, while most of important things are not done or done wrong. So far all he/she posted seems to be truth. EA saying he/she is not credible, makes me believe even more that he/she was very credible, besides the fact, that as i said, most of the things he/she wrote about look to be truth, especially now, when we already see what SWTOR is about. So yeah, WoW was not as polished at launch, but do you compare a 2012 car with a model of 1990 (granted innovations in cars happen much slower than in software) and say...oh well...my car doesn't have audio system and no GPS but oh well...my 20 years old car i just threw away didn't have them when i bought it either... Also, do you compare a Veyron with Audi A8 (talking about budgets) and have any doubts which is/should be more advanced and better in everything?

Pretty much, in general, sums up why i too am cancelling my sub. I was hoping for something new, exciting and different, instead got stuck with a WoW clone in Star Wars skin...a crappy clone at that. Theme-park based MMOs in the WoW model are over. Something new is needed and SWTOR failed to be that new and exciting thing.

You are a grown up man (obviously from your post), and you can't realize, that the days of theme-park based WoW-ish MMOS are over? WoW sucked the life off the genre in this form, on top of that BW made a crappy copy of WoW, when ppl were looking for something else than a WoW with Star Wars skin? Can't you get it? It's done. This game CAN NOT be fixed, the way you want, because you want a structural change. I doubt they can do that in less than a year time. All they can do at this point is release more of the same - FP/OPS, which is a dead end, cause ppl don't want more of the same, they don't want quantity and to repeat the same they ran away from WoW for, they want quality and the structure of SWTOR have nothing more to offer, sadly. They can add new class based scenario/story - which is then taking us to the next point - why would i pay monthly for a single player game in a, only by words, MMO. And why would i play a semi decent single player game when i can play so many REALLY good and made to be single player games, that are out there. I, for myself, as soon as i hit 50 realized it's not what i hoped for, it's just the same old plane WoW-ish boring grind and even the PvP, which could have kept me in for a while, is a big fail with the same old mistakes of both WoW and Warhammer mixed...horrible. The first to make the really next gen MMO with new breaking features will be a success, BW failed, they are going down and they are going down fast, because they used a wrong model, wrong design and failed at too many points. With total 500 mil invested and over 5 years and so many examples, a studio like BW should have realized the simple truth - the only game that was and can be successful with the WoW model is...WoW.

disappointed

Just waiting for mu sub and i am done with this. Fail PvP. Big hopes ruined by incompetent designers who make the same old mistakes over and over.

Agree, i for one, find it a bad decision to use Scaleform for such a MMO at all. Their decision at first is bad IMHO. They just wanted to reuse their assets from DA and ME (where they use Scaleform too), ok, but that just shows how crucial elements of the game were overlooked in the favor of saving a dollar here or there, still spending millions for voice acting. I would gladly give up half the voice acting for a good mod-able UI system, for one. Some ppl hate to compare to WoW but guys, the devs and designers at Blizzard made some brilliant decision and to not compare or learn from them means either you are way over your head and being cynical and pompous ***** or you are just incompetent and don't know how to do things that are proven to work great. The way Blizzard designed their whole GUI mechanism is just brilliant.

I will just quote several points from an article about Scaleform (the tech used for the SWTOR UI) which should be enough to tell you what to expect, or what to NOT expect: When to use Scaleform Use Scaleform when: You are absolutely, definitely creating SKUs of your game on multiple platforms (preferably three or more). You have procured one or more people with just the right experience and skillset to use it. You have relatively simple interaction interfaces, or can live with keeping a very streamlined UI everywhere. You don’t intend to let users mod your GUI. Sorry to break your hopes but as much as i would like to be wrong in this case, this is the sad truth about SWTOR UI.

Guys, stop being naive about add-ons. THERE WILL NOT BE ADD-ONS ANY TIME SOON, OR EVER! Why did i caps-ed that? Because i can not stress enough how delusional all ppl (no offend meant, just being sad) are about the way things are. BW is using Scaleform for the UI in SWTOR. Do you guys know what this is? It is almost IMPOSSIBLE to do anything outside the dev team and a certain Very Expensive tools (the Scaleform tools) for the UI. Its an expensive, licensed software that is very tightly connected to the dev process, plus it uses Flash and "incorporating" it into DirectX to create the GUI. No way we can have user add-ons anytime soon. Actually i don't think we will have any at all. Just wanted to tell you the truth so you don't keep hopes for that in vain. I would be glad if i was wrong, but i don't see a way, from a pure technical point of view, for creating a mechanism for user created add-ons in SWTOR any time in the near or even far future.

Yes, the problem was something with abilities off GCD not displaying properly. Instead of fixing that and keeping everything else as it was they started messing with the whole way things are and...well we know the rest. After 2 fail attempts at this it is getting just worse with every try. How ironic.

Some are good at theory though lacking a bit practice - it doesn't work, but they know why. Some are good at practice though lacking at theory - they don't know why, but it works. BW have blended theory and practice - it doesn't work and they don't know why.

Really? Because he wants functional and pleasant and informative to watch UI he is !@#!%!!@#!@ who needs to go back to WoW? I guess all ppl wanting steering wheels to be comfortably feeling and well functional in cars today, like for example in high class Mercedes, need to **** and gather money for one, cause they sure should not get one in a 20k worth modest car and can **** and hit the first tree on the road?

Unbelievable how they took the original system, and being unable to fix a bug in GCD display in it, ruined it, and when ppl started complaining, instead of fixing it they just turned, the already bad iteration into something horrible. Seriously, where are you headed BW?

I am seriously starting to doubt the competence of designers and developers at BW. How can you as a start, get a well working system (the original one) and trying to fix 1 problem with GCD in it, ruin it. Then when ppl start complaining that it sucks and they can't recognize when they have abilities ready/on cd, instead of going back to the better one and just fixing the issue, you fail more and further ruin even the worse system into something horrible that neither ppl asked for nor expected? Seriously, you lack competence or what? Soon you will lack my sub.