Necrosia Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I was wondering if at one point Jedi and Sith were friends and what caused them to split Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) Not exactly. The Sith Order has it's roots in Jedi that were exiled after turning to the darkside. They cross bred with the Sith species they found on Korriban after losing a war with the rest of the Jedi order. Edited February 6, 2012 by OldVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rouge Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) Not exactly. The Sith Order has it's roots in Jedi that were exiled after turning to the darkside. They cross bred with the Sith species they found on Korriban after losing a war with the rest of the Jedi order. Dawn of the Jedi -comic from Dark Horse actually makes members of the Sith species as one of the original founder groups of the proto- Jedi Order and members of it for 11 000 years in Tython's solar system (36 000 - 25 000 BBY). Edited February 6, 2012 by Rouge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westraz Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 the comic the Jedi fight each other before the "dark Jedi" stared calling them self "Sith" a name taken for an ailon race thought long dead, before the events of this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiFluid Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Jedi and Sith were not always Jedi and Sith. Long ago--over 36,000 years before the movies--the Force was "discovered" on Tython. For ten millennia, the Force users there experimented and evolved their talents with no polarization of any kind. This didn't hold forever, and finally they split into Light and Dark camps; the Ashla and the Bogan (named for the planet's moons). These were the 10-year-long Force Wars, and the Bogan were defeated. This was also known as the First Great Schism. Seven centuries later, the Republic was founded. Another five decades passed and the Jedi established their monastic order on Ossus. Thousands and thousands of years passed before the next schism. 7000 years before the films saw the Second Great Schism, also known as the Hundred Year Darkness. A group of Jedi discovered they could use the Force to affect life itself, and quickly began to be disdained by the rest of the Order. They were branded the Dark Jedi and war broke out. After a century of fighting, the rogue Jedi were exiled from Republic space. After a period of wandering, the Dark Jedi exiles landed on a world in the (at that time) Unknown Regions, Korriban. The native species were the Force-sensitive pureblood Sith, who were primitive in galactic terms. The exiles demonstrated their Force powers as magic to the primitive Sith, and established themselves as undisputed kings. Over the next two thousand years, the Dark Jedi exiles and the Sith species intermingled and interbred, and "Sith" came to mean the philosophy as much as the dark side. Their empire grew and expanded to include a great many worlds in space unknown to the Republic. Meanwhile, in the Republic, the exiles were long since forgotten. 5113 years before ANH, a child was born to a slave woman on an insignificant world on the distant fringes of the Sith Empire. He was the illegitimate child of the planet's ruling Sith Lord, and was a Force child prodigy. He eventually rose to be counted as a Sith Lord himself, as Lord Vitiate. Come 5000 BBY, a couple of hyperspace lane explorers from the Republic inadvertently found their way into the heart of the Sith Empire; Korriban itself. The Great Hyperspace War ensued shortly thereafter, and the Sith were defeated by the Republic. Many Sith worlds were bombed into extinction, to end the threat forever. Vitiate and his world had survived on the fringes of Sith space, and had had his underlings rediscover the long lost world of Dromund Kaas. To decide the future of the Sith, he called a summit on Nathema. And believing themselves invincible because he was only one while they were legion, the other Sith came. And then Vitiate unleashed his Sith sorcery--consuming all life and even the Force itself from the planet. He was rendered immortal, and future generations regarded this as the point at which he ceased to be Vitiate and became the Sith Emperor. The newly immortal Lord left Nathema and led the survivors of the war into exile, increasing his cult of personality while he slowly led them to Dromund Kaas. Eventually they settled there and re-founded the Sith Empire. For a very long time, the Empire was allowed to grow in secrecy once again. Partial contact was reestablished over a thousand years later, at the end of the Mandalorian Wars, when Revan and Malak discovered the hidden empire and decided to slay the Sith Emperor to end the threat to the Republic. They failed, and returned to known space as Sith themselves. Enter KOTOR. Three hundred years later, the Sith Empire launched its assault on the Republic. 1400 years after the Republic attempted to exterminate them, the Sith returned and very nearly crushed the Republic in the Great Galactic War. Enter Deceived, and TOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Dawn of the Jedi -comic from Dark Horse actually makes members of the Sith species as one of the original founder groups of the proto- Jedi Order and members of it for 11 000 years in Tython's solar system (36 000 - 25 000 BBY). How does that make sense? The Sith were supposed a primitive people hidden away on a world at the opposite end of the Republic when the exiled Dark Jedi found them. And even the territory they might have gained from leftover hyperdrive technology from the Rataka only led them as far as the nearby worlds. If they were already known to the Jedi, then how did Hyperspace explorers stumble upon their world in the old comics? How could they have gotten from Korriban to Tython? I mean wasn't that the whole reason for the name of the Great Hyperspace War? That they were an isolated, hidden empire? I thought Naga Sadow was supposed to be the first one to establsih contact with the Republic and he only convinced his fellow Sith to follow through with his plan because the Republic was still largely unknown to them and he exploited their fear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyStain Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 The answer is yes. You exile enemies, not friends. Basically as soon as the Sith were formed they were already enemies of the Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiFluid Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) How does that make sense? Dawn of the Jedi #0 talks about mysterious ships collecting Force-sensitives from around the galaxy and bringing them to Tython. It shows two pureblood Sith--males, no less, so no chance of procreation--as characters for the story. So they didn't get to Tython on their own, apparently nothing about their world is changed, and they'll have no pureblooded descendants; just generation after generation of 'diluting' their species' blood. But I mean we also have to remember--this is two individuals, before even the foundation of the Republic. Plenty of time to be forgotten and buried by the sands of time. Edited February 6, 2012 by DigiFluid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezyfb Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 yes, though they were not called jedi and sith back them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rouge Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 How does that make sense? The Sith were supposed a primitive people hidden away on a world at the opposite end of the Republic when the exiled Dark Jedi found them. And even the territory they might have gained from leftover hyperdrive technology from the Rataka only led them as far as the nearby worlds. If they were already known to the Jedi, then how did Hyperspace explorers stumble upon their world in the old comics? How could they have gotten from Korriban to Tython? I mean wasn't that the whole reason for the name of the Great Hyperspace War? That they were an isolated, hidden empire? I thought Naga Sadow was supposed to be the first one to establsih contact with the Republic and he only convinced his fellow Sith to follow through with his plan because the Republic was still largely unknown to them and he exploited their fear? Here's a Sith proto-Jedi from 25 000 BBY, apparently the cover for Dawn of the Jedi #3: http://images.darkhorse.com/covers/600/18/18028.jpg http://unjoe.yuku.com/topic/6265/Star-Wars-Dawn-of-the-Jedi-Force-Storm-3#.Ty80seQWEiF More about Dawn of the Jedi, including preview pictures of Tho Yor ship taking Dai Bendu in to be shipped to Tython, covers etc: http://unjoe.yuku.com/topic/6238/STAR-WARS-DAWN-OF-THE-JEDI-1-of-5 http://unjoe.yuku.com/topic/6252/STAR-WARS-DAWN-OF-THE-JEDI-2#.Ty804eQWEiE http://unjoe.yuku.com/topic/6224/Dawn-of-the-Jedi-by-Ostrander-and-Duursema Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rouge Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Dawn of the Jedi #0 talks about mysterious ships collecting Force-sensitives from around the galaxy and bringing them to Tython. It shows two pureblood Sith--males, no less, so no chance of procreation--as characters for the story. So they didn't get to Tython on their own, apparently nothing about their world is changed, and they'll have no pureblooded descendants; just generation after generation of 'diluting' their species' blood.. Tho Yor ships collected people from various Force using cultures in 36 000 BBY to Tython; in 25 000 BBY there is still a pureblooded Sith as one of the main characters, so there has to be an entire self-sustaining population of Sith on Tython. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiFluid Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Tho Yor ships collected people from various Force using cultures in 36 000 BBY to Tython; in 25 000 BBY there is still a pureblooded Sith as one of the main characters, so there has to be an entire self-sustaining population of Sith on Tython. Until issue #1 shows up, we can't make that assumption. Issue #0 says right in it how the Rakata developed hyperdrive--perhaps the Tho Yor ships are using something else not quite as good, and the Sith guys don't even get to Tython till 25,000 BBY. Or maybe they were in stasis for x amount of time. Or any number of other possible explanations. Point is, we don't know yet. All we know of is the two individuals. And until #1 (or whichever features them) shows up, we can't assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamingGod Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Is it just me or do the Tho Yor ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tho_Yor ) look alot like Mortis ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mortis ) I smell a connection to the Celestials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rouge Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Is it just me or do the Tho Yor ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tho_Yor ) look alot like Mortis ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mortis ) It's an intentional nod for all likelihood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiFluid Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Is it just me or do the Tho Yor ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tho_Yor ) look alot like Mortis ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mortis ) I smell a connection to the Celestials. It's an intentional nod for all likelihood. Aha, nice. I thought it looked familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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