Grizzliy Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Here is the spec I have been using recently. http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/sith_warrior/marauder/#::fef2e4fe3d2e3fef20efef3ef3defefef4: I am Full champion except Centurion Offhand/Centurion Mask. No battlemaster yet. Its pretty much stock Annihilation except instead of Empowerment/Annihilate I get Obliterate/Saber Strength. So far I love it. My biggest gripe with Annihilation was how lackluster Annihilate felt, plus how buggy it was. I felt like I had to be right up somebodies butt to get it to fire off correctly because the animation takes so long. With Obliterate it hits for about as hard AND it costs 2 rage less. If I'm not Rupturing/Deadly Saber/Snaring/ I'm spamming vicious slash which seems to clear the cooldown on Rupture often enough. Plus its pretty much constantly critting for almost as hard as Annihlate was as well. I also get a 2nd Mini-jump which is nice. let me know what you guys think/ if you have any questions. Edited January 31, 2012 by Grizzliy Completely wrong skill named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcaciaDragon Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Here is the spec I have been using recently. http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/sith_warrior/marauder/#::fef2e4fe3d2e3fef20efef3ef3defefef4: I am Full champion except Centurion Offhand/Centurion Mask. No battlemaster yet. Its pretty much stock Annihilation except instead of Empowerment/Annihilate I get Massacre/Saber Strength. So far I love it. My biggest gripe with Annihilation was how lackluster Annihilate felt, plus how buggy it was. I felt like I had to be right up somebodies butt to get it to fire off correctly because the animation takes so long. With Massacre it hits for about as hard AND it costs 2 rage less. If I'm not Rupturing/Deadly Saber/Snaring/ I'm spamming vicious slash which seems to clear the cooldown on Rupture often enough. Plus its pretty much constantly critting for almost as hard as Annihlate was as well. I also get a 2nd Mini-jump which is nice. let me know what you guys think/ if you have any questions. You dont have massacre with this spec. Do you mean Obliterate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzliy Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 You dont have massacre with this spec. Do you mean Obliterate? Well my face is red! Title/post has since been edited, and yes I meant Obliterate thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacoknite Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 how long hav eyou been using this spec? i was thinking of running this, as i don't enjoy annihilate at all. do you have any damage numbers on the difference with obliterate over annihilate...i don't really see how obliterate can do comparable damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzliy Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) I have been running it for about a week now. I will try to put something together however without any combat log it will be a pain. I'll tell you this, with Saber Strength it hits pretty darn hard. However I have noticed it helps much more as a 2nd mini-jump also being only 3 rage make it much easier to use, rage wise. Edited January 31, 2012 by Grizzliy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qeuzolt Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Have your tried this in pve? Do you find your self rage starved? Thanks for your replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audenlol Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) edit: nm! Edited January 31, 2012 by Audenlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audenlol Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Good build. Actually, never noticed how hard Obliterate hit. I always had a hate for that abilitity just due to the length of the animation putting my target i just mini-charged already out of melee range by the time I land lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzliy Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Have your tried this in pve? Do you find your self rage starved? Thanks for your replies No unfortunately I don't PVE much(at all actually). However I would think that if you can stay on top of your target without much hassle then Annihilate would probably be better along with Dual Wield master and what not. Rage wise I haven't had a problem however, I have tested Empowerment over Saber Strength an visa-versa. Currently I'm running Saber Strength, as Rage hasn't been a problem. I actually feel like I have a ton more rage since I don't have to blow 5 on Annihilate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzliy Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Good build. Actually, never noticed how hard Obliterate hit. I always had a hate for that abilitity just due to the length of the animation putting my target i just mini-charged already out of melee range by the time I land lol. Haha yeah, that can be a pain, I just do my best to make sure they are constantly snared, to lessen the chances of that happening. But At least Obliterate hits, there is nothing worse than trying to catch up to someone to annihilate and the animation take so long/range be so short. At least for me that's annoying as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFknDon Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I dunno about you but my Oblit isn't doing 3k as stated in the DB calc lol And yes yes Rakata weps crappy af http://i.imgur.com/MNe7Q.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacoknite Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 well obliterate would have to do really comparable damage for this to even be wortwhile, that's why im asking. I have never even touched the rage tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFknDon Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Also I don't see why you wouldn't spec this since CQ is garbage, why do you need that, you use charge to get back to your target after being knockbacked or to initiate and ferocity is waste rupture slow > smash reduce cd since you dont have shockwave cloak of anni > smash reduce cd http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/sith_warrior/marauder/#::fefe9f2efefef20efef3ef3defefef4: Edited January 31, 2012 by TheFknDon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacoknite Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/sith_warrior/marauder/#::f4e3fe5fefefef20efefed2f3e2fefef2ef: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awyeah Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/sith_warrior/marauder/#::f4e3fe5fefefef20efefed2f3e2fefef2ef: If you're going for dominate and shockwave wouldn't quick recovery be better? interesting build! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacoknite Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 well i was lookign at it, and thinking statistically. We really need logs bad. anyways, 6% from bleed affects are applied to the base damage, i believe. So i don't think it applies to crits on ticks. I am not 100% sure. in terms of pvp, and 100% guaranteed shockwave crit, seems like a more reliable , dps increase than 6% on bleeds. coupled with the 24% increase from a choak. The shock crit would outweight both bleeds , even if they crit i believe. i havent tested it, since my main was an assassin. I will probably drop the massive amounts of respec credits tonight and run some numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodokai Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 So basicly its the same as Stamp spec? Tried it was pretty dog but each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFknDon Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 That build is terrible, you get shockwave only by using force choke, awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzliy Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Also I don't see why you wouldn't spec this since CQ is garbage, why do you need that, you use charge to get back to your target after being knockbacked or to initiate and ferocity is waste rupture slow > smash reduce cd since you dont have shockwave cloak of anni > smash reduce cd http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/sith_warrior/marauder/#::fefe9f2efefef20efef3ef3defefef4: Yeah but cloak of anni cool down time only gets reduced by using retaliation. Retaliation is one of the worse Rage dumps we have I feel. It's the only basic melee attack we have that I don't have on my bars. So I would say Smash reduce cd > then wasting rage on retaliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Oreos- Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100rurRMRMZZGr0rkbM.1 that's the build i'm currently using. give me my crit smash every 50 sec along with my dots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xplicit Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#100rurRMRMZZGr0rkbM.1 that's the build i'm currently using. give me my crit smash every 50 sec along with my dots. I dont think the crit smash is worth it if you dont have Dark Resonance or Shii-Cho mastery. I would go back to closer to what you had before with Pulverize. Something more like this as defensive forms is huge IMHO since we need to use beserk as often as possible. 26/2/13 Edited January 31, 2012 by Xplicit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Oreos- Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 never posted anything with pulverize . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xplicit Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 never posted anything with pulverize . I should have said closer to the OP's original build. but my thoughts on the build remain the same. Not going high enough up Rage to make having crit smash worth it IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xplicit Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Removed duplicate post Edited January 31, 2012 by Xplicit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xplicit Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Just tried a build similar to OP. (Valor 46) and been using Carnage for a while although I have spent gazzillions on respecs. Not feeling comfortable on what I was doing and having to look at my bars a lot I still topped the charts in a hutball. 270K and was queued solo. No pocket heals. Will have to report back when I get more comfortable but so far so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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