Slubbert Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well, as far as I know the commando and the mercenary are mirror classes right? with mirror abilities? How come everyone complains about mercs mobiltiy and survivability? The reason that I am asking is because everyone hates commandos as they dominate in Warzones. Why? Oo What is the diffrence? skill? please. Enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazule Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well, as far as I know the commando and the mercenary are mirror classes right? with mirror abilities? How come everyone complains about mercs mobiltiy and survivability? The reason that I am asking is because everyone hates commandos as they dominate in Warzones. Why? Oo What is the diffrence? skill? please. Enlighten me. it is a dirty twisted mirror, people seem to think that 80% the same stuff is enough to make it the same, i love commando's coming in here and saying they know our class, it is the 20% difference that makes us different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slubbert Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Please, enlighten me, what is the diffrence? only one I know is that commandos wear heavy blasters and mercs use dual pistols? What are those 20%? I just wanna know? I have no idea myself so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajinMLF Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 there is no difference between any class from each side - they are the same skills with different names - anyone who tells you otherwise is just uninformed this was the easiest way to balance pvp but its stupid, since you probably wont roll that char if you ever go republic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typheran Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 there is no difference between any class from each side - they are the same skills with different names - anyone who tells you otherwise is just uninformed this was the easiest way to balance pvp but its stupid, since you probably wont roll that char if you ever go republic I don't believe this. ^ I've never seen BH use some of the same abilities that Trooper can use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themeatmarket Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) They are mirror classes...The abilities and talent trees are the exact same abilities with different animations and names...For example, stock strike for Vanguards is the exact same as rocket punch for PTs...It just looks different. HOWEVER, some of those animations cause some of the abilities to behave a little differently...For example, some animations root one class in place, while for the mirror class it does not. Others have a short delay before actualy damage is done, whereas the mirror does not...Intentional? I sincerely doubt it. But no-one really 'knows'... To the poster above me who does not believe it is true...I suggest looking over the skills and talent trees and finding an example where they are NOT the same...With the exception of one of the agent skills having a shorter CD for the same ability on the smuggler (most believe an oversight from Beta)...I can think of none. Edited January 18, 2012 by Themeatmarket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slubbert Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Well, then I really don't understand why ppl complain about mercs in pvp, when clearly commandos are op lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrosX Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Well, then I really don't understand why ppl complain about mercs in pvp, when clearly commandos are op lol.. Because on most servers there are like 4 rebels and 983457 imperials.. Commandos stand out less than BHs Edit: Like Sorcerers and Sages..it's far more common to see the lightning spam than the pebbles spam, both kills you just the same, yet all the nerf threads mention sorcerers only. Edited January 18, 2012 by AndrosX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slubbert Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hum, maybe you are right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durzaka Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Like its been said, there are more empire, and, regardless of what people say, when you complain about one AC (merc) you complain about its mirror (commando) without having to say anything. besides the full auto and mortar volley bug they are the EXACT same class, having played both classes into the 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Nyth Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I don't believe this. ^ I've never seen BH use some of the same abilities that Trooper can use. You're just not seeing it as clearly because they use totally different animations. I would say that of probably all classes BH and Trooper seem the most different, while being the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandisKan Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Doh, I thought mercenaries were the mirror of the gunslinger. /facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elthenar Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Because on most servers there are like 4 rebels and 983457 imperials.. Commandos stand out less than BHs Edit: Like Sorcerers and Sages..it's far more common to see the lightning spam than the pebbles spam, both kills you just the same, yet all the nerf threads mention sorcerers only. This is one of the few cases where there is a small but massive difference between the mirrored classes. Sorcerers do elemental damage with their lightning while Sages do Kinetic damage with their abilities. That means that Sages get their damage reduced by armor value while Sorcerers do not, and armor values tend to be much higher than elemental resists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainsawsamurai Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 This is one of the few cases where there is a small but massive difference between the mirrored classes. Sorcerers do elemental damage with their lightning while Sages do Kinetic damage with their abilities. That means that Sages get their damage reduced by armor value while Sorcerers do not, and armor values tend to be much higher than elemental resists. Sorcs do Energy Damage, not Elemental. Both classes are subject to the same amount of Armor mitigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krameriffic Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Sorcs do Energy Damage, not Elemental. Both classes are subject to the same amount of Armor mitigation. Correct. Armor mitigates energy and kinetic damage by the same amount. Elemental and internal damage are not mitigated by armor, but force lightning does energy damage, not elemental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midasear Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 This is one of the few cases where there is a small but massive difference between the mirrored classes. Sorcerers do elemental damage with their lightning while Sages do Kinetic damage with their abilities. That means that Sages get their damage reduced by armor value while Sorcerers do not, and armor values tend to be much higher than elemental resists. Sorcerer Lightning attacks are supposedly "energy", not "elemental". And energy attacks are reduced in full by armor, just like kinetic. Lots of Guardians and Troopers die at hands of lightning sorcerers, but that's probably more because there are so ridiculously many of them than any innate uberness or broken class mechanic. And why not? Everybody loves force lightning. It's epic, especially when compared to the pebble alternative. And I suspect this gets to the heart of the answer to the OPs question as well. Maybe Commandos are owning in a battlefield dominated by sorcerer-heavy opponent teams, while Mercs are facing off against enemies who are lot more likely to force leap up close and start hacking away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elthenar Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Sorcs do Energy Damage, not Elemental. Both classes are subject to the same amount of Armor mitigation. I stand corrected, guess I should play a class before I make assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abiza Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 it is a dirty twisted mirror, people seem to think that 80% the same stuff is enough to make it the same, i love commando's coming in here and saying they know our class, it is the 20% difference that makes us different. notsureifsrs.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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