Ripebear Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Just having a look at my ability damage right now. Why on earth does Cauterize do less damage than a single slash? They cost the same focus?!? Does this mean Cauterize is out of the rotation? Does this effect watchman as a whole? I know It's a DoT but the overall damage after the DoT wears off is stil less than a slash. What is going on? Never noticed it before. For comparisons sake post exactly what your damage on Cauterize and Slash is, completely unbuffed. Cauterize - 470-562 Base damage, DoT - 601 Slash - 1201-1436 I'm I completely missing something here? Edited January 17, 2012 by Ripebear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegathegreat Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just having a look at my ability damage right now. Why on earth does Cauterize do less damage than a single slash? They cost the same focus?!? Does this mean Cauterize is out of the rotation? Does this effect watchman as a whole? I know It's a DoT but the overall damage after the DoT wears off is stil less than a slash. What is going on? Never noticed it before. what level are you, im watchman and my cauterize ticks for 750 and crits for 1400+ per tick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrianlol Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 It is likely an ability that you would only use as watchman...and as watchman it's direct damage gets buffed early on and dot damage gets buffed later in the tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripebear Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'm 50 with around 14000 HP. HP generally an indication to how good your gear is. And the tooltip says it does 601 over 6 seconds. Rank 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimMage Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) I always figured that cauterize was basically only for watchman to use. Since the watchman tree has skills that make the dot crit more often, dots crit for more dmg, dot deal more dmg, heal the player when the dot crits, and a skill that makes the direct damage portion of cauterize hit 30% harder. Edited January 17, 2012 by GrimMage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripebear Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 I always figured that cauterize was basically only for watchman to use. Since the watchman tree has skills that make the dot crit more often, dots crit for more dmg, dot deal more dmg, heal the player when the dot crits, and a skill that makes the direct damage portion of cauterize hit 30% harder. I am watchman and have all the good talents for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimMage Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Have you tested to see if the ability is doing more dmg than the tooltip says? I believe tooltips dont update their values from skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripebear Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Have you tested to see if the ability is doing more dmg than the tooltip says? I believe tooltips dont update their values from skills. I will maybe try. It's annoying without a meter though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimMage Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 You dont need a meter, thats an excuse and a crutch. Hit a strong monster with cauterize, look at the dot ticks and direct damage. Then wait for it to wear off (6 seconds) hit the strong monster with slash; compare and contrast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripebear Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 I just tried it on another player. Cauterize is only doing around 1200-1300 damage over the 6 seconds. It's crap and a waste of time and talents. Pretty sure I'm going to swap trees now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramac Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Word on the streets is that players and mobs have armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimMage Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Thats too bad, because the consensus is that watchman is the highest single target DPS tree that sentinels have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripebear Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Word on the streets is that players and mobs have armor. I used both moves, so yeah the damage is still weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagimpster Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 that's 10% of someones health (on average) by 1 move...... that is not channeled.....seems decent to me.... then you add zen to it and your golden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripebear Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) that's 10% of someones health (on average) by 1 move...... that is not channeled.....seems decent to me.... then you add zen to it and your golden Still seems quite weak overall. It needs a buff I think. Guy at start saying his ticks for 1400 is a troll as well. Edited January 17, 2012 by Ripebear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhorx Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 what level are you, im watchman and my cauterize ticks for 750 and crits for 1400+ per tick You seem to cunfuse it with overload saber, i have mostly 136+ and get 250 hits and 450 crits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegathegreat Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Still seems quite weak overall. It needs a buff I think. Guy at start saying his ticks for 1400 is a troll as well. yea i guess my 12% bonus damage from expertise, surge adrenal, power relic must be trolling.....then you can ask the people who i cauterize at 70% HP and then pop zen and statis / dispatch. i mean killing someone from 70% in 3 seconds is terrible damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramac Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Still seems quite weak overall. It needs a buff I think. Guy at start saying his ticks for 1400 is a troll as well. No, he's not a troll. He's confusing Cauterize with OS. Based on the numbers you have given, a generous skewing in favor for Slash for mainhand vs. offhand damage (75% MH , 25% OH), 25% crit, 80% on Surge, ignoring armor mitigation, Cauterize outperforms Slash by 2%. At 20% mitigation, it outperforms Slash by 18%. At 30% mitigaiton, it outperforms Slash by 29%. At 35% mitigation, it outperforms Slash by 36%. At 40% mitigaiont, it outperforms Slash by 44%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBirkhofer Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just having a look at my ability damage right now. Why on earth does Cauterize do less damage than a single slash? They cost the same focus?!? Does this mean Cauterize is out of the rotation? Does this effect watchman as a whole? I know It's a DoT but the overall damage after the DoT wears off is stil less than a slash. What is going on? Never noticed it before. For comparisons sake post exactly what your damage on Cauterize and Slash is, completely unbuffed. Cauterize - 470-562 Base damage, DoT - 601 Slash - 1201-1436 I'm I completely missing something here? 2 focus cost base. vs slashs 3 then +1. Thats still not quite the same. Dot breaks stealth. Dot uses force power for damage value, and deals internal damage, thus not mitigated by armor. (Force attacks deal more damage as they gain from both str and will, even if the will is a small amount. your base will +datacrons give force attacks innately 1% more crit then melee) More specific issues require questions of exactly what talents you have. are you watchman or focus? both have +30% surge on cauterize. (totally a possible build getting both for +60% free surge on burns) Do you have atchman +damage and crit on burns? generally, you'll get the 6% insight talent. Cauterize for combat has little use. only use it for breaking stealth. It is decent for focus, given the surge factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qilz Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) yea i guess my 12% bonus damage from expertise, surge adrenal, power relic must be trolling.....then you can ask the people who i cauterize at 70% HP and then pop zen and statis / dispatch. i mean killing someone from 70% in 3 seconds is terrible damage Killing level 12-15s is serious business. You aren't killing anyone in 3 seconds with that skill. I don't care what buffs you pop and what temps you use. You are fail, and your troll attempt is fail. Edited January 17, 2012 by Qilz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBirkhofer Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 yea i guess my 12% bonus damage from expertise, surge adrenal, power relic must be trolling.....then you can ask the people who i cauterize at 70% HP and then pop zen and statis / dispatch. i mean killing someone from 70% in 3 seconds is terrible damage well if your 12% expertise, and power relic/surge adrenal is increasing your cauterize damage by 300% then you should /bug that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripebear Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Killing level 12-15s is serious business. You aren't killing anyone in 3 seconds with that skill. I don't care what buffs you pop and what temps you use. You are fail, and your troll attempt is fail. This. So damn true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripebear Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 well if your 12% expertise, and power relic/surge adrenal is increasing your cauterize damage by 300% then you should /bug that. More. He said 1400 a tick, mine does 600 over 6 seconds, so... yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rankith Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 you are ignoring the increased crit chance, the increased crit damage, the heals and the focus generation from your burns.... That seems like a whole lot of good things to me and makes it way better then slash (the increased crit% and crit damage make it math out to do more damage then slash base im pretty sure too, then you have those other two bonuses on top of that...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobzzz Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Cauturized talented is much better then slash. I dont know exact figures but i know for sure it does more damage with the dot then slash AND it slows the target so you dont have to use ****** leg slash aswell. All watchmen should use cauterize everytime its cd is up, end of story. **And to back up the guy saying the dot sometimes crits for 1400, YES it does when you pop consumables and expertise pots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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