DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) I know that their aren't very many tanks in this game. I've met a few others but there about as rare as healers. Now I'm a tank (and one of the already few that tank specs) and it jerks my chain when I'm tanking a run on Mandalorian Raiders. I tank all the way to the 4 man boarding party. I die while tanking 3 to all 4 of them through the whole fight, while being healed, and we wipe. This of course makes the healer mad and he gets mad at me for not keeping them off him. So he up and leaves. (we got another one and completed the flashpoint but that's not the story here.) Now I know from past MMO experience, that if the Tank dies and you wipe, usually it means that the Tank was holding enough damage to drop him quickly (me in this case) and the healer did not heal enough. So my question is. Should I try and Tank less of a fight in order to make it easier on the healer, or should I just start looking for better healers. I need some tips here, If it's me I need to know, but if it's not me please help. EDIT (forgot to ask if it could just be the game) Edited January 16, 2012 by DevonLoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygranir Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 use more CC or focus down the correct mobs. I am also a tank and have no problems when we plan out a difficult fight before the pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramyn Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Problem would be solved with combat logs/meters. Just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keihryon Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Need to have that Healer CC one(sage and scoundrel get 1 minute cc, dunno about the trooper lines), and if anyone else in your group can CC to get another one. CC is more important in this game than it has been in recent games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdluke Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 my question is, why are you tanking 4 guys? is no one CCing any of them? I know at least troopers/BH and Sage/Sorc have a long term CC ability. Why are you not using that? I haven't run through mando raiders so I don't know this fight you are referring to, but it seems like there is a lack of CC going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicalPremise Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Did the healer use his CC? Did you? Sorry, but as a healer myself , I'm going to blame....the healer. Most of the tanks I've grouped with do a pretty heroic job of trying to keep the mobs together, given the crap toolset of tank skills you have to work with. Sounds like you grouped with a baddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryzyra Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Probably the dps. But maybe the healer. And maybe the tank. You could just look at the combat log see if anything was happening that you didn't notice.. oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorun Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 i see where your coming from. As a tank I get the dps to use CC. as these are my guildies they are good with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrden Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 To be fair, if your healer is complaining that he has mobs on him, then you're not doing your job 100%, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 use more CC or focus down the correct mobs. I am also a tank and have no problems when we plan out a difficult fight before the pull. we were planning (my point is that when I'm tanking the planned guys I die) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 my question is, why are you tanking 4 guys? is no one CCing any of them? I know at least troopers/BH and Sage/Sorc have a long term CC ability. Why are you not using that? I haven't run through mando raiders so I don't know this fight you are referring to, but it seems like there is a lack of CC going on here. We were using CC but it only lasts so long in that fight (Each guy takes a minute or more to drop and they get stronger after each one you kill) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZetsumeiKira Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 It's the Sith Warrior/Jedi Knight class that's at fault here. All other classes do everything better that includes DPS, Tanking and surviving long enough in PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdluke Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 We were using CC but it only lasts so long in that fight (Each guy takes a minute or more to drop and they get stronger after each one you kill) then use the CC again. I know for a fact that the Sage's Force Lift cool down lasts as long as the force lift effect. So as long as you are not breaking CC, the Sage should be able to keep that mob CCed indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 To be fair, if your healer is complaining that he has mobs on him, then you're not doing your job 100%, are you? I already stated that he never had more of a pull than about a force leap from the marauder. (not that exact statment so dont reply for that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keihryon Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 We were using CC but it only lasts so long in that fight (Each guy takes a minute or more to drop and they get stronger after each one you kill) I know the fight you are referring too. They may take a minute to kill, but CC refresh will be up by then as well...just have to stay on top of it. I'm fairly certain a couple of those guys can't be CC'd, so don't waste the timer on the ones who can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerandar Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 To be fair, if your healer is complaining that he has mobs on him, then you're not doing your job 100%, are you? pretty much this, learn to tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 then use the CC again. I know for a fact that the Sage's Force Lift cool down lasts as long as the force lift effect. So as long as you are not breaking CC, the Sage should be able to keep that mob CCed indefinitely. It doesn't work one hundred percent on these guys (they all have boss imunity) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 pretty much this, learn to tank. Did you read my post or just his comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 I know the fight you are referring too. They may take a minute to kill, but CC refresh will be up by then as well...just have to stay on top of it. I'm fairly certain a couple of those guys can't be CC'd, so don't waste the timer on the ones who can't. I should edit that reply but these guys have boss immunity for the most part as you said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHeadCapper Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I know that their aren't very many tanks in this game. I've met a few others but there about as rare as healers. Now I'm a tank (and one of the already few that tank specs) and it jerks my chain when I'm tanking a run on Mandalorian Raiders. I tank all the way to the 4 man boarding party. I die while tanking 3 to all 4 of them through the whole fight, while being healed, and we wipe. This of course makes the healer mad and he gets mad at me for not keeping them off him. So he up and leaves. (we got another one and completed the flashpoint but that's not the story here.) Now I know from past MMO experience, that if the Tank dies and you wipe, usually it means that the Tank was holding enough damage to drop him quickly (me in this case) and the healer did not heal enough. So my question is. Should I try and Tank less of a fight in order to make it easier on the healer, or should I just start looking for better healers. I need some tips here, If it's me I need to know, but if it's not me please help. EDIT (forgot to ask if it could just be the game) Get a better healer, I had no issues in this instance and we didn't even bother with CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urborror Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Planned CCing is essential unless you're substantially overleveled. You will die even if the healer heals constantly. They scaled difficulty up pretty high (bafflingly, arguably) on certain heroic encounters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Planned CCing is essential unless you're substantially overleveled. You will die even if the healer heals constantly. They scaled difficulty up pretty high (bafflingly, arguably) on certain heroic encounters. Lot of people have been mentioning increased CC, ill try and mention that to my party members next time (The gaurdian doesnt get one for quite a while still if at all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryzyra Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 It doesn't work one hundred percent on these guys (they all have boss imunity) So which ones were doing the damage? How much damage were you taking? Was it more than the healer could theoretically output? Were the mobs dying at a rate to enable success? Were dps focusing fire? Get a lot of speculation here. The data you want to look at is in game.. well.. it's not, but hey whatever. Think real hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wager Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Possibly party makeup. Might need a DPS off-tank if multiples have boss immunities. But in general from the first post you wrote, I'd have guessed CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHeadCapper Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) pretty much this, learn to tank. Occasionaly you lose aggro. If the healer is smart he just runs to the tank and the tank quickly gets aggro back. We also have a drop threat ability which the healer in question probably didn't use. Edited January 16, 2012 by TheHeadCapper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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