Hiramas Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I had problems with that guy, too. I simply did some pvp, some space and in between i tried. At one point i figured out how to beat him. I don't really remember though. He just died. I will admit that Vigilance feels a little harder than other classes, but there is no reason to assume he underperforms massively in dmg. BW stated that every DPS tree (correctly specced) can do decent dmg. Sentinel will be a little higher than a Vigilance Guardian but not so much higher that you suffer in a group or raid when taking the Guardian with you. We don't know any dps yet, so all we have is a very unreliable feeling. On an other hand, it is said that Vigilance Guardian has one of the hardest rotations in the game! Easy to learn, hard to master i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtrick Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I have a trooper and he was a mistake to. He is a commando or whatever and they heal. People keep telling me what the 'best' is and I am guessing that I am being trolled. What is an easy DPS only class? Commandos make a great DPS class. I'm not sure what your problem with them is, but they work great as DPS. Knights actually can, too... I'm starting to wonder what you've done with your talent points, because what you're describing sounds very different than my experience with those classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saice Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I have a trooper and he was a mistake to. He is a commando or whatever and they heal. People keep telling me what the 'best' is and I am guessing that I am being trolled. What is an easy DPS only class? Commandos actually does good DPS I have two Commando alts. I wanted to see how Pure DPS build and Pure Heal build compared they both do fairly well. The Heal Spec guy actually solos really well the difference in DPS between the two is really only noticeable with Boss level fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxn Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Commandos make a great DPS class. I'm not sure what your problem with them is, but they work great as DPS. Knights actually can, too... I'm starting to wonder what you've done with your talent points, because what you're describing sounds very different than my experience with those classes. commando is only level 11. He just reached corus he was my first character and I disliked him very much. I only chose commando because I heard it was a great dps spec. Now I have learned it's a healing class and I only like to DPS. I don't remember what talents I have done on him. Haven't touched him in 2 weeks since I started my jedi guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonolithic Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) I have a trooper and he was a mistake to. He is a commando or whatever and they heal. People keep telling me what the 'best' is and I am guessing that I am being trolled. What is an easy DPS only class? It isn't dps only, not sure if such an AC exists, but Mercenary BH has been my favorite by far. Damage out the wazzoo, healer companion as your first, you get heals for those emergency w t f moments, and my last favorite thing about them... dual blasters! Trooper has a "like" mirror to it but I have no idea what AC or tree it's in. Edited January 15, 2012 by demonolithic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpenttt Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 If you still haven't got this yet, send in kira and pop her defensive skill. She can stay alive quite a long time using that skill, interrupt his casting skills and you'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxn Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 i just managed to get him. I had maybe 13% life left. I sent kira in first. I had to pop all my stuff once again. I had to taunt off her because she was dying way to fast. really hope this gets better. if you guys can recommend me an easier class + the advanced class. no healing or tanking please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpenttt Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Stick with your tank. You're too low level to be giving up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonolithic Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) If you still haven't got this yet, send in kira and pop her defensive skill. She can stay alive quite a long time using that skill, interrupt his casting skills and you'll be fine. Yeah I suggested this as well. I took it off auto cast. Sent her in to DPS till she had 75%ish health. Popped her shield then went to town in dps form till she was at around 20% health. Taunted to keep her alive and killed the boss. Have to utilize her HP or otherwise it's wasted as a guardian with no healing ability or companion with any as well. Edit, Grats on the kill. Edited January 15, 2012 by demonolithic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saice Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 no healing or tanking please. Trooper is probably the most face roll-tastic. But really its the Commando the shines. Stick to Gunnery the middle tree it has good DPS and some nice self healing. Heck they get a talent that makes their Recharge Cells also heal them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaceandpassion Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) ok the reason you say you suck, is not because of your class. Its how you use it. Defence/vig/focus dosnt matter, if you dont understand your class your going to fail. 1. When to use certain skill 2. Interupts are god. 3. medpacs are win 4. stims are win If you are struggling use the defence tree and kira. Get medpacs. use them as soon as you hit 50%75% health and not when your about to die. Stims are the basic stat top up in this game. I've solod all guardian content and its just down to the player adapting. If you suck dont blame the class, look at yourself. Maybe your not cut out to be a guardian no offence, try a heal class if it gets that bad. Edited January 15, 2012 by peaceandpassion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtrick Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) It isn't dps only, not sure if such an AC exists Gunslingers and Sentinels (and their Empire mirrors, of course) are pure DPS advanced classes. Unless I'm forgetting someone. Edited January 15, 2012 by imtrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fardreamer Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I had zero problems with this fight.... didn't die once. You either just suck. Or you're doing something wrong. Sounds like you chose a dumb spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fardreamer Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 In all honesty, it sounds like no matter what class the OP picks he's going to have trouble. You can just tell he's that type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxn Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 In all honesty, it sounds like no matter what class the OP picks he's going to have trouble. You can just tell he's that type of player. yeah very helpful kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaceandpassion Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 yeah very helpful kid He made an observation that imo is accurate. Dont hate someone for pointing out what is in plan sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxn Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 He made an observation that imo is accurate. Dont hate someone for pointing out what is in plan sight. how about be helpful or don't post at all and troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcarinn Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 learn to play... cant help you otherway.... go buy some gear? learn to use all your abillities aka taunt of companion and yourself... use stims medpacks... sigh... its the era of wow kiddos and newbies who cant solo this game they fail big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroMystic Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) Whoever said Guardian is a tank AC needs to be ignored. Bioware gave you the option to go DPS with Vigilance and Focus. The problem is right now is Bioware made both Guardian and Sentinel too squishy, and it's a problem they have specifically stated is true, at least for DPS Guardian. The Defense Tree is a Tank spec. The Vigilance and Focus Trees are DPS specs. Going Guardian does not automatically make you a tank class. To the OP, I would suggest respecing and going Focus spec. Ignore anyone who says it sucks.. it's actually very great. I also tried Vigilance at the beginning and my HP drops like a rock. With Focus, you get the DPS of Vigilance with more damage mitigation thanks to Shii-Cho form. Focus also gives you better AoE damage with Force Sweep which allows you to take care of packs of mobs. The only problem with Focus spec is you have to work for that damage. Rotation is key for this, and plenty of abilities build into another ability to make it stronger. Edited January 15, 2012 by HeroMystic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieKirby Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 If you are having trouble with this guy, just wait until you get to Angral...well, correction, his security chief. lol This tanis dude can be quite difficult, but it can be done, but it is widely known and agreed upon by bioware that Jedi Guardians and Sith Juggernauts have survivability issues, since i believe they don't scale compared to other classes or the survivability just sucks, compared to other classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoldieroftheOne Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Wait until you get to the emperor he is almost unbeatable unless you LOS him or bring a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakks Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 can believe how terrible this choice was. everyone told me guardian was the way to go. "go vigilance" if you don't want to be pure tank. "focus sucks!" I kill things unbelievably slow. I use t7 or kira as a companion, my damage is still weak. I am the quest where I am suppose to kill Tarnis, or Taris? Whatever his name is. I have died 9 times in a row. I have swapped out Kira/t7. I have used tank form, taunted, use medkits... doesn't matter. Can't kill this guy, can't progress. I can't believe how frustrating this is compared to my trooper who excels in damage and can even solo certain elites with his companion. Final fight has nothing to do with your damage. Everything that can hurt you can be LOS'd or flat out interupted. You don't even need a companion. Guardian damage is not the issue on the final fight, you not playing against the mechanics and trying to muscle through it, I'll wager, is. There are tons of guardians with the master title at this point, and literally walk throughs of how to beat the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FtenEQ Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 learn to play... cant help you otherway.... go buy some gear? learn to use all your abillities aka taunt of companion and yourself... use stims medpacks... sigh... its the era of wow kiddos and newbies who cant solo this game they fail big time. <---wow kiddy and I'm excelling at leveling the guardian. So take your stipulations elsewhere. The OP is just bad at this. Doesn't put him in the same school as us, "wow kiddies." I've never asked for a nerf of anything in my life, I've never complained that anything was OP, I've never said that vanilla was the hardest raiding ever. @OP- Here we go. -A-S.S. - Always Stay Stimmed, if you don't have str stims, you're doing it wrong. -Let kira tank a bit first and make sure to have guard on her so she doesn't have tons of aggro. -Use good mods/armor/enhancements that you can get/create -Medpaks medpaks medpaks -Cooldowns at the "Start" of the fight, not the end. Damage reduction cooldowns will give you more time to live if you use them early rather than late. Obviously not Enure since you want to use that when you are deficient some number of HP. -Interrupt everything, knockback is an interrupt, force stasis interrupts(it's worth the channel if it saves your behind). -Overlevel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viniciusbroz Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Try use counterspell, kick Tarnis face and stil alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxn Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Try use counterspell, kick Tarnis face and stil alive. didn't have it I just got it after I beat him. thanks to the people who helped. I will try focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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